Testing with differents version of IE

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**David E. Ross** · Aug 2 '07, 12:35 AM

Re: Testing with differents version of IE

On 8/1/2007 2:54 PM, adminloozer@gma il.com wrote:

Hello,
>
Is there a solution to test on local HD a site under differents IE
version. I use Vista and I have IE7. Can I install (with a kind of
procedure) older versions of IE. I tried with virtual Pc but I have
to upload my files prior on the web before testing. As I have no such
place on the web and as I cannot access my folder when I use virtual
Pc, I don't know how to do . If it is possible I prefer to test on my
local HD.
Thk to all for your support.
>

After first checking the HTML and CCS at W3C, I then check only with the
latest versions of IE and SeaMonkey. The latter is a Gecko browser; how
my page looks with SeaMonkey is the same as it looks with Firefox,
Camino, and Netscape.

If the W3C checks are okay, then I haven't made any syntax errors in the
page. I use SeaMonkey to check the content and layout. I use IE to see
if the page looks reasonable.

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rf · Aug 2 '07, 01:55 AM

Re: Testing with differents version of IE

<adminloozer@gm ail.comwrote in message
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Hello,
>
Is there a solution to test on local HD a site under differents IE
version. I use Vista and I have IE7. Can I install (with a kind of
procedure) older versions of IE. I tried with virtual Pc but I have
to upload my files prior on the web before testing. As I have no such
place on the web and as I cannot access my folder when I use virtual
Pc, I don't know how to do . If it is possible I prefer to test on my
local HD.

Google for 'multiple ie'. There is even a site that allows you do download a
zip with every version of IE inside. There is a registry hack you have to
install but it's no big deal.

--
Richard.

**adminloozer@gmail.com** · Aug 2 '07, 06:45 AM

Re: Testing with differents version of IE

On 2 août, 00:33, David Dorward <dorw...@gmail. comwrote:

On Aug 1, 10:54 pm, adminloo...@gma il.com wrote:
>

Is there a solution to test on local HD a site under differents IE
version. I use Vista and I have IE7. Can I install (with a kind of
procedure) older versions of IE. I tried with virtual Pc but I have
to upload my files prior on the web before testing. As I have no such
place on the web and as I cannot access my folder when I use virtual
Pc, I don't know how to do . If it is possible I prefer to test on my
local HD.

>
Virtual PC should do the job - if it really needs a server, then you
could install Apache on your workstation to provide it with one.
>
--
David Dorwardhttp://dorward.me.uk/http://blog.dorward.me .uk/

Hello,

first of all thank again to all for your answers. I've found in the
properties of Virtual PC how to share a folder between the normal host
and the guest machine. I've also installed IIS on my normal vista
machine. Under IE7 "http://localhost/" works fine. Trying the same
on the guest machine gives no result. Maybe I've to install IIS on
the guest machine then create a share of the IIS folders of the normal
machine with the guest machine so that I'm able to copy files from
IIS7 to IIS6.. ?

**adminloozer@gmail.com** · Aug 2 '07, 06:55 AM

Re: Testing with differents version of IE

On 2 août, 02:31, "David E. Ross" <nob...@nowhere .notwrote:

On 8/1/2007 2:54 PM, adminloo...@gma il.com wrote:
>

Hello,

>

Is there a solution to test on local HD a site under differents IE
version. I use Vista and I have IE7. Can I install (with a kind of
procedure) older versions of IE. I tried with virtual Pc but I have
to upload my files prior on the web before testing. As I have no such
place on the web and as I cannot access my folder when I use virtual
Pc, I don't know how to do . If it is possible I prefer to test on my
local HD.
Thk to all for your support.

>
After first checking the HTML and CCS at W3C, I then check only with the
latest versions of IE and SeaMonkey. The latter is a Gecko browser; how
my page looks with SeaMonkey is the same as it looks with Firefox,
Camino, and Netscape.
>
If the W3C checks are okay, then I haven't made any syntax errors in the
page. I use SeaMonkey to check the content and layout. I use IE to see
if the page looks reasonable.
>
--
>
David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>.
>
Don't ask "Why is there road rage?" Instead, ask
"Why NOT Road Rage?" or "Why Is There No Such
Thing as Fast Enough?"
<http://www.rossde.com/roadrage.html>

Hi David,

I'm a beginner and I don't anything about SeaMonkey. Why no testing
with Netscape or fireFox or Opera or Safari. You are testing only
with IE and SeaMonkey? Is there also a need to test with Netscape 4
or 5 ? Im' reading a book about Hacks & Filters and there are a lot
to be care with older version of browser, I never image that.. i'm
starting in webdesign and it seems very hard with all these old
versions and hacks and filters to apply... But, thank for your
support !

**David Dorward** · Aug 2 '07, 07:05 AM

Re: Testing with differents version of IE

On Aug 2, 7:46 am, adminloo...@gma il.com wrote:

I'm a beginner and I don't anything about SeaMonkey. Why no testing
with Netscape or fireFox

SeaMonkey, Netscape and FireFox all use the Gecko rendering engine.
Differences between them are fairly minor.

or Opera or Safari

A lot of authors consider the marketshare of these browsers to be
insignificant. (I don't and do test in them).

You are testing only with IE

He said "only the latest version" which isn't really a good idea. IE6
has major differences from IE7 and still has a significant
marketshare.

Is there also a need to test with Netscape 4 or 5 ?

The marketshare of Netscape 4 really is insignificant, so almost all
developers have dropped support for it.

Netscape 5 has an even smaller marketshare since it was never properly
released.

http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/artic...x.html#history is one
approach towards deciding what browsers to support.

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**Sherm Pendley** · Aug 2 '07, 07:15 AM

Re: Testing with differents version of IE

adminloozer@gma il.com writes:

>Virtual PC should do the job - if it really needs a server, then you
>could install Apache on your workstation to provide it with one.

>
first of all thank again to all for your answers. I've found in the
properties of Virtual PC how to share a folder between the normal host
and the guest machine. I've also installed IIS on my normal vista
machine. Under IE7 "http://localhost/" works fine. Trying the same
on the guest machine gives no result.

Of course not - on the guest machine, localhost refers to the guest
machine, not to the host. You should be able to connect to the host
by using its IP address instead of localhost.

Maybe I've to install IIS on
the guest machine then create a share of the IIS folders of the normal
machine with the guest machine so that I'm able to copy files from
IIS7 to IIS6.. ?

*IF* you want to test an .ASP or .NET app on both versions of IIS, it
might be worth doing that. But it's total overkill to run a second IIS
instance in the guest, if all you want is to test multiple IE versions.

sherm--

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**Sherm Pendley** · Aug 2 '07, 07:25 AM

Re: Testing with differents version of IE

adminloozer@gma il.com writes:

I'm a beginner and I don't anything about SeaMonkey. Why no testing
with Netscape or fireFox

SeaMonkey is the name of the engine used in Netscape and FireFox. Since
the same engine is used in both, you really only need to test in one
browser that uses it. So, saying "test in SeaMonkey" is just shorthand
for saying "test in Netscape, FireFox, or some other browser that uses
the SeaMonkey engine, whatever you prefer."

Is there also a need to test with Netscape 4 or 5 ?

I wouldn't bother.

Im' reading a book about Hacks & Filters and there are a lot
to be care with older version of browser, I never image that.. i'm
starting in webdesign and it seems very hard with all these old
versions and hacks and filters to apply...

Then don't apply them. Seriously - it's only difficult if you choose to
make it so. "Hacks and filters" is the 90s way of authoring for the web;
standards-based approaches are *much* better supported than they were
back then.

If the book you're using refers to "hacks" for NS 4 compatibility, it's
very badly outdated - it's time to update your library with something
written this century.

sherm--

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**adminloozer@gmail.com** · Aug 2 '07, 09:15 AM

Re: Testing with differents version of IE

On 2 août, 09:22, Sherm Pendley <spamt...@dot-app.orgwrote:

adminloo...@gma il.com writes:

I'm a beginner and I don't anything about SeaMonkey. Why no testing
with Netscape or fireFox

>
SeaMonkey is the name of the engine used in Netscape and FireFox. Since
the same engine is used in both, you really only need to test in one
browser that uses it. So, saying "test in SeaMonkey" is just shorthand
for saying "test in Netscape, FireFox, or some other browser that uses
the SeaMonkey engine, whatever you prefer."
>

Is there also a need to test with Netscape 4 or 5 ?

>
I wouldn't bother.
>

Im' reading a book about Hacks & Filters and there are a lot
to be care with older version of browser, I never image that.. i'm
starting in webdesign and it seems very hard with all these old
versions and hacks and filters to apply...

>
Then don't apply them. Seriously - it's only difficult if you choose to
make it so. "Hacks and filters" is the 90s way of authoring for the web;
standards-based approaches are *much* better supported than they were
back then.
>
If the book you're using refers to "hacks" for NS 4 compatibility, it's
very badly outdated - it's time to update your library with something
written this century.
>
sherm--
>
--
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Hello sherm,

The book I talk is the following:
CSS Hacks and Filters: Making Cascading Stylesheets Work
Joseph W. Lowery, published in June 2005.

As I said, I'm new in webdesign and in chapter 2 he talks about
Filtering CSS for Older Browsers and chapter 3 is "Hiding CSS from
Newer Browsers".
I was just a little bit afraid to make my css style supporting those
older browsers like IE3-4 or NS 4.. but know with your answers I have
more idea on how to test and against what.
(sorry for my poor english, I'm french).

I don't kow if you know this book, any comments welcome.

Thk.

**adminloozer@gmail.com** · Aug 2 '07, 09:15 AM

Re: Testing with differents version of IE

On 2 août, 08:58, David Dorward <dorw...@gmail. comwrote:

On Aug 2, 7:46 am, adminloo...@gma il.com wrote:
>

I'm a beginner and I don't anything about SeaMonkey. Why no testing
with Netscape or fireFox

>
SeaMonkey, Netscape and FireFox all use the Gecko rendering engine.
Differences between them are fairly minor.
>

or Opera or Safari

>
A lot of authors consider the marketshare of these browsers to be
insignificant. (I don't and do test in them).
>

You are testing only with IE

>
He said "only the latest version" which isn't really a good idea. IE6
has major differences from IE7 and still has a significant
marketshare.
>

Is there also a need to test with Netscape 4 or 5 ?

>
The marketshare of Netscape 4 really is insignificant, so almost all
developers have dropped support for it.
>
Netscape 5 has an even smaller marketshare since it was never properly
released.
>
http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/artic...html#historyis one
approach towards deciding what browsers to support.
>
--
David Dorwardhttp://dorward.me.uk/http://blog.dorward.me .uk/

Hi,

And about IE 5.5, is it necessary to test against it or IE6 is enough ?

**David Dorward** · Aug 2 '07, 10:05 AM

Re: Testing with differents version of IE

On Aug 2, 10:11 am, adminloo...@gma il.com wrote:

And about IE 5.5, is it necessary to test against it or IE6 is enough ?

That depends on how concerned you are with that market segment. I gave
up on it a while ago on the principle that its a buggy, insecure,
unsupported piece of junk and that the relative small number of people
still using it shouldn't be encouraged to keep running it.

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**David Dorward** · Aug 2 '07, 10:15 AM

Re: Testing with differents version of IE

On Aug 2, 8:22 am, Sherm Pendley <spamt...@dot-app.orgwrote:

adminloo...@gma il.com writes:

I'm a beginner and I don't anything about SeaMonkey. Why no testing
with Netscape or fireFox

>
SeaMonkey is the name of the engine used in Netscape and FireFox.

No, that's Gecko. SeaMonkey is the browser / email / news / etc all in
one client that is the successor to the Mozilla Suite.

The SeaMonkey® Project

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/

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