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  • maya
    #1

    strange DOCTYPE problem..

    this is doctype I was told to use for a site I'm building at work..

    <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
    "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">

    only problem is, in IE the layout gets totally screwed up!
    everything becomes centered, the divs containing nav buttons gets
    compressed, and buttons show up one on top of the other (it's a
    horizontal nav, buttons run across top of pages..)

    in FF no problem at all..

    site is done with css, pretty standard css code, nothing out of the
    ordinary (I think....;)

    can't provide url, site is still in development..

    would appreciate some suggestions.. thank you...
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    • Andy Dingley
      #2
      Re: strange DOCTYPE problem..

      On 16 Mar, 13:40, maya <maya778...@yah oo.comwrote:
      this is doctype I was told to use for a site I'm building at work..
      >
      <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
      "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
      Probably the wrong doctype to use. You should always use HTML 4.01
      Strict, unless there's a good reason not to. There aren't many good
      reasons.

      This particular doctype declaration _should_ make CSS rendering behave
      itself
      See <http://hsivonen.iki.fi/doctype/>
      but it's impossible to say for sure without a URL.
      only problem is, in IE the layout gets totally screwed up!
      Smells like a quirks mode rendering problem.
      everything becomes centered, the divs containing nav buttons gets
      compressed, and buttons show up one on top of the other (it's a
      horizontal nav, buttons run across top of pages..)
      That just sounds like broken code.
      site is done with css, pretty standard css code, nothing out of the
      ordinary (I think....;)
      Have you validated both HTML and CSS ? (Let me guess!)
      Have you validated both HTML and CSS _before_ asking any question to
      c.i.w.a.*?

      can't provide url
      Can't provide a solution

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        • Rik
          #3
          Re: strange DOCTYPE problem..

          maya <maya778899@yah oo.comwrote:
          can't provide url, site is still in development..
          Yes you can, just post a link to a quick static HTML document which
          illustrates the behaviour. We won't mind the site isn't finished, the
          content isn't there etc.

          --
          Rik Wasmus

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            • maya
              #4
              Re: strange DOCTYPE problem..

              Rik wrote:
              maya <maya778899@yah oo.comwrote:
              >can't provide url, site is still in development..
              >
              Yes you can, just post a link to a quick static HTML document which
              illustrates the behaviour. We won't mind the site isn't finished, the
              content isn't there etc.
              >
              --Rik Wasmus
              ok,here's url: http://www.mayacove.com/misc/page.html

              (css validates..)

              thank you..

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                • maya
                  #5
                  Re: strange DOCTYPE problem..

                  Andy Dingley wrote:
                  On 16 Mar, 13:40, maya <maya778...@yah oo.comwrote:
                  >this is doctype I was told to use for a site I'm building at work..
                  >>
                  ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
                  >"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
                  >
                  Probably the wrong doctype to use. You should always use HTML 4.01
                  Strict, unless there's a good reason not to. There aren't many good
                  reasons.
                  >
                  This particular doctype declaration _should_ make CSS rendering behave
                  itself
                  See <http://hsivonen.iki.fi/doctype/>
                  but it's impossible to say for sure without a URL.
                  >
                  >only problem is, in IE the layout gets totally screwed up!
                  >
                  Smells like a quirks mode rendering problem.
                  >
                  >everything becomes centered, the divs containing nav buttons gets
                  >compressed, and buttons show up one on top of the other (it's a
                  >horizontal nav, buttons run across top of pages..)
                  >
                  That just sounds like broken code.
                  >
                  >site is done with css, pretty standard css code, nothing out of the
                  >ordinary (I think....;)
                  >
                  Have you validated both HTML and CSS ? (Let me guess!)
                  Have you validated both HTML and CSS _before_ asking any question to
                  c.i.w.a.*?
                  >
                  >
                  >can't provide url
                  >
                  Can't provide a solution
                  >
                  interesting.. I put this,

                  <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
                  "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">

                  which I got from here, http://htmlhelp.com/tools/validator/doctype.html
                  (the top one..)

                  and problem goes away..

                  still don't fully get this doctype thing, but well, if this one works
                  will leave this one I guess..

                  thank you very much..

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                    • Rik
                      #6
                      Re: strange DOCTYPE problem..

                      On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 21:00:19 +0100, maya <maya778899@yah oo.comwrote:
                      Rik wrote:
                      >maya <maya778899@yah oo.comwrote:
                      >>can't provide url, site is still in development..
                      > Yes you can, just post a link to a quick static HTML document which
                      >illustrates the behaviour. We won't mind the site isn't finished, the
                      >content isn't there etc.
                      > --Rik Wasmus
                      >
                      ok,here's url: http://www.mayacove.com/misc/page.html
                      >
                      (css validates..)
                      Could you also validate & fix the HTML errors?
                      --
                      Rik Wasmus

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                        • Bergamot
                          #7
                          Re: strange DOCTYPE problem..

                          maya wrote:
                          >
                          http://www.mayacove.com/misc/page.html
                          Mixing HTML style attributes with CSS is asking for trouble. Get rid of
                          all those align attributes, for starters. Then validate the HTML and go
                          from there.

                          --
                          Berg

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                            • Andy Dingley
                              #8
                              Re: strange DOCTYPE problem..

                              On 17 Mar, 16:26, Bergamot <berga...@visi. comwrote:
                              Mixing HTML style attributes with CSS is asking for trouble.
                              I think you mean "HTML 3.2 presentational attributes". Mixing these
                              with CSS is indeed asking for trouble.

                              Adding CSS through a HTML 4 style attribute is much more
                              straightforward .

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                                • Bergamot
                                  #9
                                  Re: strange DOCTYPE problem..

                                  Andy Dingley wrote:
                                  On 17 Mar, 16:26, Bergamot <berga...@visi. comwrote:
                                  >
                                  >Mixing HTML style attributes with CSS is asking for trouble.
                                  >
                                  I think you mean "HTML 3.2 presentational attributes".
                                  Yes, that is indeed what I meant. I forget that "style" is an attribute,
                                  probably because I rarely use it. It can make for messy code, too.

                                  --
                                  Berg

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