Alan J Flavell, RIP

[Dr J R Stockton]

In comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html message <O9SDh.1524$v65 .1435@read
er1.news.saunal ahti.fi>, Sat, 24 Feb 2007 09:53:39, Jukka K. Korpela
<jkorpela@cs.tu t.fiposted:

>By the way, where's Alan - retired? He could have checked that page
>much more fully than most people here.

>
>No idea. I tried to contact him after I noticed that his web pages are
>gone (and don't exist in webarchive.org) but got no response so far. I
>have bad feelings about this.

Googling Alan Flavell's Department for his name has found a reference to
his funeral, which must have been either on 2006-12-11 or rather shortly
after.

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[John Hosking]

Re: Alan J Flavell, RIP

Dr J R Stockton wrote:

Googling Alan Flavell's Department for his name has found a reference to
his funeral, which must have been either on 2006-12-11 or rather shortly
after.

Sadness. Thanks for letting us know.

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[Sherm Pendley]

Re: Alan J Flavell, RIP

Dr J R Stockton <reply0708@merl yn.demon.co.ukw rites:

In comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html message <O9SDh.1524$v65 .1435@read
er1.news.saunal ahti.fi>, Sat, 24 Feb 2007 09:53:39, Jukka K. Korpela
<jkorpela@cs.tu t.fiposted:
>

>>By the way, where's Alan - retired? He could have checked that page
>>much more fully than most people here.

>>
>>No idea. I tried to contact him after I noticed that his web pages are
>>gone (and don't exist in webarchive.org) but got no response so far. I
>>have bad feelings about this.

>
Googling Alan Flavell's Department for his name has found a reference to
his funeral, which must have been either on 2006-12-11 or rather shortly
after.

Damn! I owe a debt to that man. He taught me a lot.

He'll be missed.

sherm--

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[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=E9rard_Talbot?=]

Re: Alan J Flavell, RIP

Dr J R Stockton wrote :

Googling Alan Flavell's Department for his name has found a reference to
his funeral, which must have been either on 2006-12-11 or rather shortly
after.

That is sad news. I liked Alan Flavell and I hope several of his
webpages will still be available, fetchable somehow, somewhere.

Gérard
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[=?utf-8?Q?David_H=C3=A5s=C3=A4ther?=]

Re: Alan J Flavell, RIP

Dr J R Stockton wrote:

Googling Alan Flavell's Department for his name has found a reference to
his funeral, which must have been either on 2006-12-11 or rather shortly
after.

Very sad to hear that :(

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Re: Alan J Flavell, RIP

On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:41:29 +0100, Gérard Talbot
<newsblahgroup@ gtalbot.orgwrot e:

Dr J R Stockton wrote :
>

>Googling Alan Flavell's Department for his name has found a reference to
>his funeral, which must have been either on 2006-12-11 or rather shortly
>after.

>
That is sad news. I liked Alan Flavell and I hope several of his
webpages will still be available, fetchable somehow, somewhere.

The Internet Archive has them:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060426010624/ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~flavell/

--
David Håsäther

[Stan Brown]

Re: Alan J Flavell, RIP

Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:47:48 +0000 from Dr J R Stockton <reply0708
@merlyn.demon.c o.uk>:

Googling Alan Flavell's Department for his name has found a reference to
his funeral, which must have been either on 2006-12-11 or rather shortly
after.

I had just been wondering what happened to him, realizing I hadn't
seen him post here lately. It's sad news to hear of his demise.

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[Andy Mabbett]

Re: Alan J Flavell, RIP

In message <12u18nlrsp3pqe 5@corp.supernew s.com>, Gérard Talbot
<newsblahgroup@ gtalbot.orgwrit es

>I liked Alan Flavell and I hope several of his webpages will still be
>available

They'll be available again shortly.

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[Iain Wilkie Logan]

Re: Alan J Flavell, RIP

In article <op.tn9yu61qikq 7gl@puppy2>, David_Håsäthe r
<URL:mailto:has ather@msn.comwr ote:

On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:41:29 +0100, Gérard Talbot
<newsblahgroup@ gtalbot.orgwrot e:

Dr J R Stockton wrote :

Googling Alan Flavell's Department for his name has found a reference to
his funeral, which must have been either on 2006-12-11 or rather shortly
after.

You may be interested to know that Alan was also a highly respected
contributor to the 'uk.railway' newsgroup - his commentaries on the vagaries
of the British railway network were in much the same vein as those he posted
here in support of accessibility on the WWW - clear, concise and 'on target'.
Alan will be sorely missed there. If you wish to Google for them, you'll find
the responses there under the same heading as here.

That is sad news. I liked Alan Flavell and I hope several of his
webpages will still be available, fetchable somehow, somewhere.

Considering his CERN background, perhaps Tim Berners-Lee can be persuaded to
find posthumous recognition for Alan as one of those (hitherto) unsung heroes
of the WWW who, all the years I've known him, has diligently defended its
founding principles - openness, freedom and accessibility for all worldwide..
That must not be forgotten.

For the past 11 years - my time on the WWW - Alan's influence on me in the
context of the web has always been present, although I only ever spoke to him
once on the phone.

The Internet Archive has them:
<http://web.archive.org/web/20060426010624/ppewww.ph.gla.a c.uk/~flavell/>

Even though it's not complete (the 'ragbag' link), I'll pass that on. Many
thanks. I'll check my own archives and post links here if I find anything.

Meantime, though it is a bit old, I'm sorry to say, try:
<http://homepages.enter prise.net/iainlogan/transinfo/index.htmlfor a
picture of how he helped just one person out. I am greatly indebted to Alan
for his help on that.

All the best,

Iain

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[Molly Mockford]

Re: Alan J Flavell, RIP

At 15:41:29 on Sat, 24 Feb 2007, Gérard Talbot
<newsblahgroup@ gtalbot.orgwrot e in
<12u18nlrsp3pqe 5@corp.supernew s.com>:

>That is sad news. I liked Alan Flavell and I hope several of his
>webpages will still be available, fetchable somehow, somewhere.

Last summer, Alan and I were discussing what would happen to his web
pages when he took his planned retirement at the end of the current
academic year, and I offered him hosting for them. It is now my
intention to put his pages up on my webspace (I've grabbed them all from
archive.org as at April 2006 - everything except for the handful of cgi
scripts, that is), but since he included on each page a joint copyright
notice citing himself and Glasgow University, I have had to apply to the
University for their permission to re-publish the pages.
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[Nick Kew]

Re: Alan J Flavell, RIP

On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:27:24 +0000
Molly Mockford <nospamnobody@m ollymockford.me .ukwrote:

At 15:41:29 on Sat, 24 Feb 2007, Gérard Talbot
<newsblahgroup@ gtalbot.orgwrot e in
<12u18nlrsp3pqe 5@corp.supernew s.com>:

That is sad news. I liked Alan Flavell and I hope several of his
webpages will still be available, fetchable somehow, somewhere.

Last summer, Alan and I were discussing what would happen to his web
pages when he took his planned retirement at the end of the current
academic year, and I offered him hosting for them.

That sounds like an unbeatable claim on them.

> It is now my
intention to put his pages up on my webspace (I've grabbed them all
from archive.org as at April 2006 - everything except for the handful
of cgi scripts, that is), but since he included on each page a joint
copyright notice citing himself and Glasgow University, I have had to
apply to the University for their permission to re-publish the pages.

And that sounds like a good home. Please be sure to tell us when
they're in their new home (and give a shout if anything important
in the CGI department needs help). Those pages were exceptionally
well-researched and authoritative in their subjects.

He was always well-informed and lucid. On the rare occasions when
he erred, he was quick to own up and correct it. He wasn't universally
liked because he never suffered fools lightly, but when he corrected
someone he always remained civil, as well as accurate and informative.
His contributions go back to before the creation of this newsgroup and
its siblings.

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[Bruce Lewis]

Re: Alan J Flavell, RIP

Nick Kew <nick@grimnir.w ebthing.comwrit es:

He was always well-informed and lucid. On the rare occasions when
he erred, he was quick to own up and correct it. He wasn't universally
liked because he never suffered fools lightly, but when he corrected
someone he always remained civil, as well as accurate and informative.
His contributions go back to before the creation of this newsgroup and
its siblings.

Well said.

[Molly Mockford]

Re: Alan J Flavell, RIP

At 11:55:38 on Wed, 28 Feb 2007, Nick Kew <nick@grimnir.w ebthing.com>
wrote in <q67gb4-0j7.ln1@grimnir .webthing.com>:

>On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:27:24 +0000
>Molly Mockford <nospamnobody@m ollymockford.me .ukwrote:

>Last summer, Alan and I were discussing what would happen to his web
>pages when he took his planned retirement at the end of the current
>academic year, and I offered him hosting for them.

>
>That sounds like an unbeatable claim on them.

:-)
I don't see it in any way as a claim, more as the fulfilment of a
promise.

When I was first learning web authoring, Alan was very helpful to me;
and I continued to learn from him over the years, indirectly from his
pages as well as directly in the newsgroups. He deserves not to have
his work forgotten.
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[David Quinton]

Re: Alan J Flavell, RIP

On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 20:37:43 +0000, Molly Mockford
<nospamnobody@m ollymockford.me .ukwrote:

>When I was first learning web authoring, Alan was very helpful to me;
>and I continued to learn from him over the years, indirectly from his
>pages as well as directly in the newsgroups. He deserves not to have
>his work forgotten.

I agree.
Every time I use Tables for laying out images, I *still* think of him
and feel guilty!

A very sad loss.
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[Darin McGrew]

Re: Alan J Flavell, RIP

Molly Mockford <usenet2spam@mo llymockford.me. ukwrote:

Last summer, Alan and I were discussing what would happen to his web
pages when he took his planned retirement at the end of the current
academic year, and I offered him hosting for them. It is now my
intention to put his pages up on my webspace (I've grabbed them all from
archive.org as at April 2006 - everything except for the handful of cgi
scripts, that is), but since he included on each page a joint copyright
notice citing himself and Glasgow University, I have had to apply to the
University for their permission to re-publish the pages.

Is there any news on this project? Is there anything any of us can do to
help?
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