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  • Jukka K. Korpela

    #16
    Re: visited link

    Scripsit dorayme:
    "S.T." <anonymous@anon ymous.comwrote:
    Please don't feed the trolls. In the old times, some trolls used to be
    amusing. This new generation of trolls is just a crowd of vulgar cowards.
    They try to avoid killfiling by using different forged addresses, but it's
    usually rather easy to recognize them from the first few lines.

    --
    Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")


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    • dorayme

      #17
      Re: visited link

      In article <rXWih.7062$Q36 .3359@reader1.n ews.saunalahti. fi>,
      "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tu t.fiwrote:
      Scripsit dorayme:
      >
      "S.T." <anonymous@anon ymous.comwrote:
      >
      Please don't feed the trolls. In the old times, some trolls used to be
      amusing. This new generation of trolls is just a crowd of vulgar cowards.
      They try to avoid killfiling by using different forged addresses, but it's
      usually rather easy to recognize them from the first few lines.
      It never occurred to me, I thought he was just another
      earthling...

      About forging, it has occurred to me to do this myself to enhance
      my reputation with things like "Hey dorayme, you have transformed
      my life, I have quit my antidepressants ..." and to, assist me in
      defending against (or, indeed making) truly vicious and raving
      attacks: having a whole lot of "supporters ".

      But I have shelved the idea because I don't know how to do it and
      more importantly, so many people here seem to have vays and means
      to detect it. And I have developed vays and means of settling
      comfortably into killfiles. You should see some of them, there
      are even xmas decorations at xmas. Bit sad but ... well it is a
      home...

      Merry Xmas to you anyway.

      --
      dorayme

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      • Joe (GKF)

        #18
        Re: visited link

        In article <doraymeRidTh is-65672F.09392622 122006@news-
        vip.optusnet.co m.au>, doraymeRidThis@ optusnet.com.au says...
        In article <458b0065$0$689 76$742ec2ed@new s.sonic.net>,
        "S.T." <anonymous@anon ymous.comwrote:
        >
        This newsgroup is the poster child of all that is wrong with Usenet, namely
        a vocal few displaying an ugly combination of arrogance and
        narrow-mindedness.

        Did you catch the Jukka post where he
        suggested he has grounds to sue a poster for copyright infringment because
        someone left Jukka's entire post quoted in a reply rather than trimming it
        down to use in a "fair use" context? No joke, he really did.
        >
        It is hard to believe this! Old K hardly ever makes a joke. It is
        a very rare event, to be noted and framed. Here he is joking. And
        it is not a bad sort of joke at all. You missed it because, for
        one thing, you are not prepared to study the incredible larger
        than life characters that form the core of this continuing play.
        >
        Would you stop watching a good play because some characters,
        essential to the story, had flaws? No, you would not, you would
        just go along with it and enjoy the ride. The most incredible
        things happen.
        >
        >
        I out-pedanted him once (in a thread in this group called "Preventing
        italics text from hitting the next character").
        I'm very proud of that.

        --
        Please visit -
        Water saving tips: http://graspages.cjb.cc/bigdry/

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        • dorayme

          #19
          Re: visited link

          In article <MPG.1ff61ed9f7 84a49898974b@ne ws.aardvark.net .au>,
          Joe (GKF) <joedinmore@yah oo.com.auwrote:
          In article <doraymeRidTh is-65672F.09392622 122006@news-
          vip.optusnet.co m.au>, doraymeRidThis@ optusnet.com.au says...
          In article <458b0065$0$689 76$742ec2ed@new s.sonic.net>,
          "S.T." <anonymous@anon ymous.comwrote:
          This newsgroup is the poster child of all that is wrong with Usenet,
          namely
          a vocal few displaying an ugly combination of arrogance and
          narrow-mindedness.
          >
          Did you catch the Jukka post where he
          suggested he has grounds to sue a poster for copyright infringment
          because
          someone left Jukka's entire post quoted in a reply rather than trimming
          it
          down to use in a "fair use" context? No joke, he really did.
          It is hard to believe this! Old K hardly ever makes a joke. It is
          a very rare event, to be noted and framed. Here he is joking. And
          it is not a bad sort of joke at all. You missed it because, for
          one thing, you are not prepared to study the incredible larger
          than life characters that form the core of this continuing play.

          Would you stop watching a good play because some characters,
          essential to the story, had flaws? No, you would not, you would
          just go along with it and enjoy the ride. The most incredible
          things happen.
          I out-pedanted him once (in a thread in this group called "Preventing
          italics text from hitting the next character").
          I'm very proud of that.
          And I am proud of you Farmer Joe. Proud indeed. Am on way with my
          gang to spend a nice summer hol on your farm. I expect pigs
          roasted, freely available 2 min showers and a ride on the old
          tractor, with whisky on hand and a few songs and poems that pity
          old K in the midst of a bleak northern European winter... but end
          on a cheery note of drunken goodwill...

          --
          dorayme

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          • marika

            #20
            Re: visited link


            dorayme wrote:
            >
            And I am proud of you Farmer Joe.
            Well, you got it right this time.
            >Proud indeed. Am on way with my
            gang to spend a nice summer hol on your farm.
            P.S. we'll talk about the Innocence Project later;

            mk5000

            "Cause this is my show and I won't let you go
            All its been paid for, and it's mine
            How could you look at me
            And not see all the things"--beyonce, ring the alarm

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            • Lester Mosley

              #21
              Re: visited link


              marika wrote:
              dorayme wrote:
              >

              And I am proud of you Farmer Joe.
              >
              Well, you got it right this time.
              Yes It is about time for Crystalmas. You just need to find it.
              Proud indeed. Am on way with my
              gang to spend a nice summer hol on your farm.
              >
              P.S. we'll talk about the Innocence Project later;

              I am not sure where yet though

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              • Joe (GKF)

                #22
                Re: visited link

                In article <doraymeRidTh is-CD955E.16512623 122006@news-
                vip.optusnet.co m.au>, doraymeRidThis@ optusnet.com.au says...
                In article <MPG.1ff61ed9f7 84a49898974b@ne ws.aardvark.net .au>,
                Joe (GKF) <joedinmore@yah oo.com.auwrote:
                >
                In article <doraymeRidTh is-65672F.09392622 122006@news-
                vip.optusnet.co m.au>, doraymeRidThis@ optusnet.com.au says...
                In article <458b0065$0$689 76$742ec2ed@new s.sonic.net>,
                "S.T." <anonymous@anon ymous.comwrote:
                >
                This newsgroup is the poster child of all that is wrong with Usenet,
                namely
                a vocal few displaying an ugly combination of arrogance and
                narrow-mindedness.

                Did you catch the Jukka post where he
                suggested he has grounds to sue a poster for copyright infringment
                because
                someone left Jukka's entire post quoted in a reply rather than trimming
                it
                down to use in a "fair use" context? No joke, he really did.
                >
                It is hard to believe this! Old K hardly ever makes a joke. It is
                a very rare event, to be noted and framed. Here he is joking. And
                it is not a bad sort of joke at all. You missed it because, for
                one thing, you are not prepared to study the incredible larger
                than life characters that form the core of this continuing play.
                >
                Would you stop watching a good play because some characters,
                essential to the story, had flaws? No, you would not, you would
                just go along with it and enjoy the ride. The most incredible
                things happen.
                >
                >
                I out-pedanted him once (in a thread in this group called "Preventing
                italics text from hitting the next character").
                I'm very proud of that.
                >
                And I am proud of you Farmer Joe. Proud indeed. Am on way with my
                gang to spend a nice summer hol on your farm. I expect pigs
                roasted, freely available 2 min showers and a ride on the old
                tractor, with whisky on hand and a few songs and poems that pity
                old K in the midst of a bleak northern European winter... but end
                on a cheery note of drunken goodwill...
                >
                Bewdy! I could use a hand with the picking and the cutting. No roast
                pig, but we do a pretty good lamb roast. (Where are ya, Tom Cruise?)
                I'll even let *drive* the old tractor!

                --
                Please visit -
                Water saving tips: http://graspages.cjb.cc/bigdry/

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                • dorayme

                  #23
                  Re: visited link

                  In article <MPG.1ff8b5ab8b 2b48aa98974f@ne ws.aardvark.net .au>,
                  Joe (GKF) <joedinmore@yah oo.com.auwrote:
                  And I am proud of you Farmer Joe. Proud indeed. Am on way with my
                  gang to spend a nice summer hol on your farm. I expect pigs
                  roasted, freely available 2 min showers and a ride on the old
                  tractor, with whisky on hand and a few songs and poems that pity
                  old K in the midst of a bleak northern European winter... but end
                  on a cheery note of drunken goodwill...
                  Bewdy! I could use a hand with the picking and the cutting. No roast
                  pig, but we do a pretty good lamb roast. (Where are ya, Tom Cruise?)

                  I'll even let *drive* the old tractor!
                  You mean it is one of those "coin-operated" things like outside
                  supermarkets for kids? I have heard that you farmers are having
                  it tough and supplement income with stuff but this looks a bit
                  extreme!

                  --
                  dorayme

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                  • Harlan Messinger

                    #24
                    Re: visited link...

                    RAB wrote:
                    Nice answer...the tone demonstrated a lot of class...
                    He answered your question precisely and concisely. What's wrong with the
                    tone? Consider, though, the class demonstrated by someone who wants to
                    mislead his users into thinking they haven't already visited a page that
                    they have.
                    What setting is it?
                    >
                    If I know what setting it is, I may be able to change it
                    programatically .
                    You can't.

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                    • spam_only_please@comcast.net

                      #25
                      Re: visited link...


                      Harlan Messinger wrote:
                      >Consider, though, the class demonstrated by someone who wants to
                      mislead his users into thinking they haven't already visited a page that
                      they have.
                      Dynamic content?
                      What setting is it?

                      If I know what setting it is, I may be able to change it
                      programatically .
                      >
                      You can't.
                      He did?

                      Consider the fact that there may be logic not readily apparent to even
                      the most brilliant of positve thinkers!

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                      • Harlan Messinger

                        #26
                        Re: visited link...

                        spam_only_pleas e@comcast.net wrote:
                        Harlan Messinger wrote:
                        >Consider, though, the class demonstrated by someone who wants to
                        >mislead his users into thinking they haven't already visited a page that
                        >they have.
                        >
                        Dynamic content?
                        If it's the kind of page that users would expect to have dynamic content
                        and it's of interest to them, they'll return to it despite the color of
                        the links. If they're browsing a site to see what it has on it, and
                        they're using the color cues to browse the site without revisiting the
                        same page, and yet they find that they keep visiting the same page
                        anyway, first from one page and then from another and then from another,
                        they'll think either that their browser's broken (because the link color
                        isn't changing) or that the site's owner is pulling a stunt, which isn't
                        exactly an incentive to stick around.
                        >
                        >>What setting is it?
                        >>>
                        >>If I know what setting it is, I may be able to change it
                        >>programatical ly.
                        >You can't.
                        >
                        He did?
                        Huh?
                        Consider the fact that there may be logic not readily apparent to even
                        the most brilliant of positve thinkers!
                        If I leave my car for an oil change and I come back to find that the
                        mechanic thought I'd enjoy the neon bracket he fastened around my rear
                        license plate, I wouldn't be interested in his logic, I'd tell him he
                        had no business doing that and take it off right now.

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                        • spam_only_please@comcast.net

                          #27
                          Re: visited link...

                          same page, and yet they find that they keep visiting the same page
                          anyway, first from one page and then from another and then from another,
                          they'll think either that their browser's broken (because the link color
                          That isn't the behavior sought...read the original post.

                          He did?
                          >
                          Huh?
                          Accomplishing the stated goal has been repeatedly, erroneously referred
                          to as "impossible ".
                          Yet, it was quite simple.
                          If I leave my car for an oil change and I come back to find that the
                          mechanic thought I'd enjoy the neon bracket he fastened around my rear
                          license plate, I wouldn't be interested in his logic, I'd tell him he
                          had no business doing that and take it off right now.
                          I don't need to touch your property here?

                          Perhaps the general idea that I can manipulate what you consider a
                          sacrilegious feature infuriates you. But the fact that it can be done,
                          inherently infers it is an option that a designer can choose if she so
                          wishes. Were not talking about abortion or gun control here, right?
                          Why does there have to be so much emotion injected into the discussion
                          when someone asks these types of questions? Good designers use hacks in
                          there CSS and HTML all the time. Look at as just another hack one can
                          use to meet a, in their view, for the given situation, desirable
                          affect. What's the difference? Hack popularity, thats all. Therefore
                          this "emotion" has nothing to do with the question "Can it be done?" or
                          "How to do it?". I think any time you read- "it is impossible" and "you
                          shouldn't do it- so please don't" in the same arguments it should be a
                          red flag as the two statements can't logically be accurate.


                          Turn the radio off.

                          Change the channel.

                          Saying its impossible to play Christian Rock is a lie.

                          Saying please don't discuss the bible all night because I'm agnostic is
                          a waste of time.

                          The answer is simple:

                          Don't visit http://used-a-hack-I-dont-like.com/

                          ..

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                          • dorayme

                            #28
                            Re: visited link...

                            In article
                            <1167405345.379 470.75870@n51g2 000cwc.googlegr oups.com>,
                            spam_only_pleas e@comcast.net wrote:
                            Were not talking about abortion or gun control here, right?
                            Why does there have to be so much emotion injected into the discussion
                            when someone asks these types of questions?
                            I think your innocence is sweet. Using frames or JS or proudly
                            making fixed 1024px width sites is far far more emotional around
                            here than abortion, even personal nuclear weapons.

                            --
                            dorayme

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                            • vilasmpawar@yahoo.co.in

                              #29
                              Re: visited link...


                              RAB wrote:
                              When my user closes the browser, I want the visited link to change to a
                              "fresh" never been visited link once the user (on the same machine)
                              reopens their browser.
                              >
                              Here is the code I am using:
                              >
                              /* buttons.css */
                              body { font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;
                              color: black; background-color: white; }
                              h1 { color: navy; }
                              .navbar a:link, .navbar a:visited
                              { font: bold 12pt Verdana, sans-serif;
                              padding: 0.5em; margin: 0.5em;
                              display: block; text-decoration: none;
                              background: url("pics\butto n.gif") transparent 50% 50%
                              no-repeat; }
                              .navbar a:link { color: yellow; }
                              .navbar a:visited { color: lime; }
                              .navbar a:hover, .navbar a:focus
                              { background-image: url("pics\butto n_yellow.gif");
                              color: black; }
                              .navbar a:hover:visited , .navbar a:focus:visited
                              { background-image: url("pics\butto n_green.gif");
                              color: black; }
                              >
                              How could I do this?
                              >
                              Thanks,
                              RABMissouri2006

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