Editing software

[webmaster@wallstreetsoftware.com]

Hi all,

Without opening a HUGE can of worms, I just wanted to get some ideas
of what others are using professionally to create websites
commercially. For years I had used Homesite and never migrated to
Dreamweaver or ColdFusion. My limited abilities notwithstanding , I
have moved to FrontPage 2000 (forget validation) and now to MS
Publisher. Am I essentially bringing a knife to a gun fight here?

I have a very limited budget and want to be able to create dynamic
websites for potential clients. What is the best balance between cost
and effectiveness with ease of use as a prime consideration?

Chuck

PS: I've got my helmet and flak jacket on, go to my website and tell
me just how bad you think it is. www.wallstreetsoftware.com
cd

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Re: Editing software

webmaster@walls treetsoftware.c om wrote:

Hi all,
>
Without opening a HUGE can of worms, I just wanted to get some ideas
of what others are using professionally to create websites
commercially. For years I had used Homesite and never migrated to
Dreamweaver or ColdFusion. My limited abilities notwithstanding , I
have moved to FrontPage 2000 (forget validation) and now to MS
Publisher. Am I essentially bringing a knife to a gun fight here?

More like you brought a pencil to an atomic war! Here's the common list
of Worst Editors:
5. Microsoft FrontPlague
4. Microsoft Word
3. Microsoft Excel
2. Microsoft Powerpoint
1. Microsoft Publisher

I have a very limited budget and want to be able to create dynamic
websites for potential clients. What is the best balance between cost
and effectiveness with ease of use as a prime consideration?

Some say DreamWeaver in the hands of an expert is pretty good. I've
never used it, I code by hand, but make templates first, so everything
after that is a snap. When in Windows, I use CrimsonEditor.

http://crimsoneditor.com/

PS: I've got my helmet and flak jacket on, go to my website and tell
me just how bad you think it is. www.wallstreetsoftware.com

<meta name="GENERATOR " content="Micros oft FrontPage 4.0">

Ayup. 1995-style FrontPage code. <g Why do I have a horizontal
scrollbar that goes to the east about four miles?

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

[Andy Dingley]

Re: Editing software


webmaster@walls treetsoftware.c om wrote:

Without opening a HUGE can of worms, I just wanted to get some ideas
of what others are using professionally to create websites
commercially.

I use an editor. Just a text editor, no wizzywig, not drag-and-drool,
no gimmicks at all. I didn't have to spend money either.

Try jEdit, Eclipse, TextPad and many others.

Other stuff I can't live without:
Firefox., the embedded Tidy extension, Colorzilla extension, the W3C
validator, XSLT, Python, Subversion, Bugzilla, Cygwin, PuTTY.

Dreamweaver or ColdFusion. My limited abilities notwithstanding , I
have moved to FrontPage 2000 (forget validation) and now to MS
Publisher.

You seem to have gone from the poor and headed straight downwards. What
were you planning to upgrade to next? COBOL?

[David E. Ross]

Re: Editing software

webmaster@walls treetsoftware.c om wrote:

Hi all,
>
Without opening a HUGE can of worms, I just wanted to get some ideas
of what others are using professionally to create websites
commercially. For years I had used Homesite and never migrated to
Dreamweaver or ColdFusion. My limited abilities notwithstanding , I
have moved to FrontPage 2000 (forget validation) and now to MS
Publisher. Am I essentially bringing a knife to a gun fight here?
>
I have a very limited budget and want to be able to create dynamic
websites for potential clients. What is the best balance between cost
and effectiveness with ease of use as a prime consideration?
>
Chuck
>
PS: I've got my helmet and flak jacket on, go to my website and tell
me just how bad you think it is. www.wallstreetsoftware.com
cd
>

I use Wordpad to hand-code my HTML and CSS. I develop my pages in a
mirror on my PC, which replicates the same file structure as I have on
my ISP's Web server. This allows me to review and test my pages before
uploading them to the server.

This does not work with SSI scripts. For those, my ISP allows me to use
a secure Telnet session into my account on their Web server. I use vi
to hand-code UNIX Korn-shell scripts and test them via the Telnet session.

Of course, no everyone knows how to hand-code HTML and CSS. I've looked
at Nvu at <http://www.nvu.com/>. It seems to generate HTML that passes
W3C validation. I don't particularly like the way Nvu formats the
source HTML (the visual appearance) and the fact that it always inserts
closing tags that are optional (e.g., </pat the end of a paragraph
that is immediately followed by another paragraph). However, if you
want a tool to generate Web pages that are suitable for all browsers,
you might consider Nvu, which is freeware.

A list of freeware tools is at
<http://www.anybrowser. org/campaign/abtools.html>; this includes a
discussion of the tools. There is also W3C's Amaya at
<http://www.w3.org/Amaya/>.

--

David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>

Concerned about someone (e.g., Pres. Bush) snooping
into your E-mail? Use PGP.
See my <http://www.rossde.com/PGP/>

[Jobe]

Re: Editing software

Chuck,

Personaly I use Dreamweaver 8. But 80% of the time I`m writing directly
in the code page.
I started webdesign something like a year ago. In the mean time I´'m a
strong believer of code knowledge. There is no better way than writing
code.
But saying this, it takes a incredible amount of time to study HTML and
CSS.
You mention the word "dynamic" site...meaning you will have to spend
expensive time in learning PHP and MySQL.

It's not finished...How can you make an attractive site without
Photoshop?

For me the most difficult thing is...making choices. Should I go for
HTML/CSS, PHP, Flash,....

Some comments regarding the site:

-I would work on the the content font.
-The banner doesn't look professional to me
-The color of the right column (black° may be different.

Best regards

Johan
www.web-garden.be Exploring webdesign
David E. Ross wrote:

webmaster@walls treetsoftware.c om wrote:

Hi all,

Without opening a HUGE can of worms, I just wanted to get some ideas
of what others are using professionally to create websites
commercially. For years I had used Homesite and never migrated to
Dreamweaver or ColdFusion. My limited abilities notwithstanding , I
have moved to FrontPage 2000 (forget validation) and now to MS
Publisher. Am I essentially bringing a knife to a gun fight here?

I have a very limited budget and want to be able to create dynamic
websites for potential clients. What is the best balance between cost
and effectiveness with ease of use as a prime consideration?

Chuck

PS: I've got my helmet and flak jacket on, go to my website and tell
me just how bad you think it is. www.wallstreetsoftware.com
cd

>
I use Wordpad to hand-code my HTML and CSS. I develop my pages in a
mirror on my PC, which replicates the same file structure as I have on
my ISP's Web server. This allows me to review and test my pages before
uploading them to the server.
>
This does not work with SSI scripts. For those, my ISP allows me to use
a secure Telnet session into my account on their Web server. I use vi
to hand-code UNIX Korn-shell scripts and test them via the Telnet session.
>
Of course, no everyone knows how to hand-code HTML and CSS. I've looked
at Nvu at <http://www.nvu.com/>. It seems to generate HTML that passes
W3C validation. I don't particularly like the way Nvu formats the
source HTML (the visual appearance) and the fact that it always inserts
closing tags that are optional (e.g., </pat the end of a paragraph
that is immediately followed by another paragraph). However, if you
want a tool to generate Web pages that are suitable for all browsers,
you might consider Nvu, which is freeware.
>
A list of freeware tools is at
<http://www.anybrowser. org/campaign/abtools.html>; this includes a
discussion of the tools. There is also W3C's Amaya at
<http://www.w3.org/Amaya/>.
>
--
>
David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>
>
Concerned about someone (e.g., Pres. Bush) snooping
into your E-mail? Use PGP.
See my <http://www.rossde.com/PGP/>

[axlq]

Re: Editing software

In article <mc8aj2d23uq27h copaok5v0gbn0l8 k1tnc@4ax.com>,
<webmaster@wall streetsoftware. comwrote:

Without opening a HUGE can of worms, I just wanted to get some ideas
>of what others are using professionally to create websites
>commercially .

Answering for myself, I use:
1. A text editor (vim on *nix, notepad or wordpad under windows)
2. Multiple browsers to display my pages
3. An HTML and CSS reference document
4. The PHP documentation on php.net

>For years I had used Homesite and never migrated to
>Dreamweaver or ColdFusion. My limited abilities notwithstanding , I
>have moved to FrontPage 2000 (forget validation) and now to MS
>Publisher. Am I essentially bringing a knife to a gun fight here?

Probably not. Because the web sites I create are dynamic for each
visitor, I have given up on normal web authoring tools and now
hand-code everything, using php, HTML, and the php smarty template
manager. Web authoring tools are fine for static pages, but not
useful (to me) otherwise.

>I have a very limited budget and want to be able to create dynamic
>websites for potential clients. What is the best balance between cost
>and effectiveness with ease of use as a prime consideration?

What could be easier than a text editor?

-A

[Chaddy2222]

Re: Editing software


webmaster@walls treetsoftware.c om wrote:

Hi all,
>
Without opening a HUGE can of worms, I just wanted to get some ideas
of what others are using professionally to create websites
commercially. For years I had used Homesite and never migrated to
Dreamweaver or ColdFusion. My limited abilities notwithstanding , I
have moved to FrontPage 2000 (forget validation) and now to MS
Publisher. Am I essentially bringing a knife to a gun fight here?

Nah, it's more like bringing a cap gun to a gun fight.

>
I have a very limited budget and want to be able to create dynamic
websites for potential clients. What is the best balance between cost
and effectiveness with ease of use as a prime consideration?

Dynamic creation of web content is not that easy, you need to know a
server side language and some sort of DataBase system. Or you could use
a CMS, check out Mambo or Jeumla.
You should not use any Microsoft product to create websites, they
create horible invalid code, use open source technology such as NVU
http://www.nvu.com and a good text editor such as HTML-Kit.
--
Regards Chad. http://freewebdesign.cjb.cc

Chuck
>
PS: I've got my helmet and flak jacket on, go to my website and tell
me just how bad you think it is. www.wallstreetsoftware.com
cd

[pegasusflightresources@gmail.com]

Re: Editing software


webmaster@walls treetsoftware.c om wrote:

Hi all,
>
Without opening a HUGE can of worms, I just wanted to get some ideas
of what others are using professionally to create websites
commercially. For years I had used Homesite and never migrated to
Dreamweaver or ColdFusion. My limited abilities notwithstanding , I
have moved to FrontPage 2000 (forget validation) and now to MS
Publisher. Am I essentially bringing a knife to a gun fight here?
>
I have a very limited budget and want to be able to create dynamic
websites for potential clients. What is the best balance between cost
and effectiveness with ease of use as a prime consideration?
>
Chuck
>
PS: I've got my helmet and flak jacket on, go to my website and tell
me just how bad you think it is. www.wallstreetsoftware.com
cd

Dear sir,
I must say that your choice of software for web design, IMHO, is most
painful. FrontPage, no matter what version, will add on unnecessary
tags to your source in very annoying ways, and all Office products that
one uses for web design always decide to simplify things way too much,
so you can't do much with them (I absolutely abhor MS Word sites).

>From this, I just believe you made yourself a piece of cotton where

there are warriors against you with some torches (Essentially, I think
you just screwed yourself).
On terms of using different software, I can recommend a single WYSIWYG
editor, and a few text editors. DreamWeaver MX is a very good WYSIWYG
editor, and it can also be used as a text editor (although I didn't
count it as one also). The four text editors for multiple web
languages (and other programming languages) are jGRASP, PHP Editor,
Notepad, and SciTE. jGRASP was primarily designed for designing Java
Classes and Applets, but it can be used to make C, C++, ADA, Objective
C, and Plain Text documents (Plain Text is basically what you want, and
you will want to save it as HTML, or PHP, or whatever you need). PHP
Editor is a multifunctional editor that lets you make PHP, HTML, CSS,
VBScript, Java, JavaScript, Python, C++, XML, Objective Pascal, Perl,
SQL, and Arquivo INI files, of which all are source. SciTE is a
program that lets you make Text, ADA, Assembler, Batch, C/C++, C#, CSS,
FORTRAN, HTML, Java, JavaScript, TeX, LISP, LuA, MATLAB, MAKEFILE,
Pascal, Perl, PHP, Python, Ruby, Shell, SQL, TCL, VB, VBScript, XML,
and YAML files, all source, and it allows you to install compilers for
most of those languages (The ones that require compilation to make
object code, unlike PHP, HTML, JavaScript, CSS, VBScript, XML, and
Perl). I entered Notepad into the list, because Notepad is the most
basic of the editors, and is readily available, so if you really are
desperate, you can always revert to using your knowledge of the
language and just typing it up into Notepad. That is normally a last
resort, but I have been using it for a while even though I have
DreamWeaver MX.

I hope that this helps you,

I have the honor to remain your most humble and Ob't Sv't in our war
against the King.

--
Patrick Reilly
1st Coy.
Colonel Seth Warner's Regiment

[Harlan Messinger]

Re: Editing software

webmaster@walls treetsoftware.c om wrote:

Hi all,
>
Without opening a HUGE can of worms, I just wanted to get some ideas
of what others are using professionally to create websites
commercially. For years I had used Homesite and never migrated to
Dreamweaver or ColdFusion. My limited abilities notwithstanding , I
have moved to FrontPage 2000 (forget validation) and now to MS
Publisher. Am I essentially bringing a knife to a gun fight here?

It's kind of like going from Adobe InDesign to Microsoft Word to
PC-Write for your desktop publishing.

[webmaster@wallstreetsoftware.com]

Re: Editing software

Thanks to all who responded and to those who refrained. <g>

You have provided much food for thought. Frankly, I was hoping there
would be a common thread detected in multiple responses. The only
commonality seemed to be "code it by hand." Been there, done that,
washed my car with the tee shirt. I'm not really lazy, just don't want
to spend umpteen hours hand coding. I was hoping there would be a
reasonable alternative, everyone seems to agree that MS stuff sucks. I
think I knew that but was in denial. Although several of you, or at
least two, said FP 2003 wasn't half bad.

I mis-spoke when I said "dynamic," I meant that in the classical
sense, as in killer, exceptional, above average. My potential clients
have no web presence, some don't even have dial-up much less DSL,
etc... I live in the boonies and am trying to drag local businesses
into the 21st century. Admittedly I have been doing it with 20th
century tools, but I digress. What I am really after is a "one size
fits all" tool that will let me create "good" sites, that will
actually validate without recoding a zillions lines of code. I can add
whistles and bells after the fact. Some want music (yech), some want
basic java applets (clock & calendar), some want little dancing
graphics (go figure), and some just want a static web "brochure."

One of you, and I apologize for not remembering who, said my banner
sucked, well actually he said it didn't look professional, but suck is
what I heard. So, what do you (all) recommend for professional banner,
logo, graphics, etc...creation? And finally, were you all in concert
about the black banner? Loose it?

Chuck






On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 18:42:29 GMT, webmaster@walls treetsoftware.c om
wrote:

>Hi all,
>
Without opening a HUGE can of worms, I just wanted to get some ideas
>of what others are using professionally to create websites
>commercially . For years I had used Homesite and never migrated to
>Dreamweaver or ColdFusion. My limited abilities notwithstanding , I
>have moved to FrontPage 2000 (forget validation) and now to MS
>Publisher. Am I essentially bringing a knife to a gun fight here?
>
>I have a very limited budget and want to be able to create dynamic
>websites for potential clients. What is the best balance between cost
>and effectiveness with ease of use as a prime consideration?
>
>Chuck
>
>PS: I've got my helmet and flak jacket on, go to my website and tell
>me just how bad you think it is. www.wallstreetsoftware.com
>cd

[webmaster@wallstreetsoftware.com]

Re: Editing software

OOPS, the shared comment was about Deamweaver, not FP2003.
chuck


On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:03:28 GMT, webmaster@walls treetsoftware.c om
wrote:

>Thanks to all who responded and to those who refrained. <g>
>
>You have provided much food for thought. Frankly, I was hoping there
>would be a common thread detected in multiple responses. The only
>commonality seemed to be "code it by hand." Been there, done that,
>washed my car with the tee shirt. I'm not really lazy, just don't want
>to spend umpteen hours hand coding. I was hoping there would be a
>reasonable alternative, everyone seems to agree that MS stuff sucks. I
>think I knew that but was in denial. Although several of you, or at
>least two, said FP 2003 wasn't half bad.
>
>I mis-spoke when I said "dynamic," I meant that in the classical
>sense, as in killer, exceptional, above average. My potential clients
>have no web presence, some don't even have dial-up much less DSL,
>etc... I live in the boonies and am trying to drag local businesses
>into the 21st century. Admittedly I have been doing it with 20th
>century tools, but I digress. What I am really after is a "one size
>fits all" tool that will let me create "good" sites, that will
>actually validate without recoding a zillions lines of code. I can add
>whistles and bells after the fact. Some want music (yech), some want
>basic java applets (clock & calendar), some want little dancing
>graphics (go figure), and some just want a static web "brochure."
>
>One of you, and I apologize for not remembering who, said my banner
>sucked, well actually he said it didn't look professional, but suck is
>what I heard. So, what do you (all) recommend for professional banner,
>logo, graphics, etc...creation? And finally, were you all in concert
>about the black banner? Loose it?
>
>Chuck
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 18:42:29 GMT, webmaster@walls treetsoftware.c om
>wrote:
>

>>Hi all,
>>
> Without opening a HUGE can of worms, I just wanted to get some ideas
>>of what others are using professionally to create websites
>>commerciall y. For years I had used Homesite and never migrated to
>>Dreamweaver or ColdFusion. My limited abilities notwithstanding , I
>>have moved to FrontPage 2000 (forget validation) and now to MS
>>Publisher. Am I essentially bringing a knife to a gun fight here?
>>
>>I have a very limited budget and want to be able to create dynamic
>>websites for potential clients. What is the best balance between cost
>>and effectiveness with ease of use as a prime consideration?
>>
>>Chuck
>>
>>PS: I've got my helmet and flak jacket on, go to my website and tell
>>me just how bad you think it is. www.wallstreetsoftware.com
>>cd

[webmaster@wallstreetsoftware.com]

Re: Editing software

BTS -

What do you meant by " Why do I have a horizontal
scrollbar that goes to the east about four miles? "
I don't get it.

Chuck



On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:32:42 GMT, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.mous@ex ample.invalidwr ote:

>webmaster@wall streetsoftware. com wrote:
>

>Hi all,
>>
>Without opening a HUGE can of worms, I just wanted to get some ideas
>of what others are using professionally to create websites
>commercially . For years I had used Homesite and never migrated to
>Dreamweaver or ColdFusion. My limited abilities notwithstanding , I
>have moved to FrontPage 2000 (forget validation) and now to MS
>Publisher. Am I essentially bringing a knife to a gun fight here?

>
>More like you brought a pencil to an atomic war! Here's the common list
>of Worst Editors:
>5. Microsoft FrontPlague
>4. Microsoft Word
>3. Microsoft Excel
>2. Microsoft Powerpoint
>1. Microsoft Publisher
>

>I have a very limited budget and want to be able to create dynamic
>websites for potential clients. What is the best balance between cost
>and effectiveness with ease of use as a prime consideration?

>
>Some say DreamWeaver in the hands of an expert is pretty good. I've
>never used it, I code by hand, but make templates first, so everything
>after that is a snap. When in Windows, I use CrimsonEditor.
>http://crimsoneditor.com/
>

>PS: I've got my helmet and flak jacket on, go to my website and tell
>me just how bad you think it is. www.wallstreetsoftware.com

>
><meta name="GENERATOR " content="Micros oft FrontPage 4.0">
>
>Ayup. 1995-style FrontPage code. <g Why do I have a horizontal
>scrollbar that goes to the east about four miles?

[webmaster@wallstreetsoftware.com]

Re: Editing software

Johan,

"-I would work on the the content font."
Can you elaborate, please?

I thought the banner looked pretty cool, but then I like velvet Elvi
<gAn alternative?

Chuck


On 18 Oct 2006 10:44:46 -0700, "Jobe" <johan.jobe@gma il.comwrote:

>Chuck,
>
>Personaly I use Dreamweaver 8. But 80% of the time I`m writing directly
>in the code page.
>I started webdesign something like a year ago. In the mean time I´'m a
>strong believer of code knowledge. There is no better way than writing
>code.
>But saying this, it takes a incredible amount of time to study HTML and
>CSS.
>You mention the word "dynamic" site...meaning you will have to spend
>expensive time in learning PHP and MySQL.
>
>It's not finished...How can you make an attractive site without
>Photoshop?
>
>For me the most difficult thing is...making choices. Should I go for
>HTML/CSS, PHP, Flash,....
>
>Some comments regarding the site:
>
>-I would work on the the content font.
>-The banner doesn't look professional to me
>-The color of the right column (black° may be different.
>
>Best regards
>
>Johan
>www.web-garden.be Exploring webdesign
>David E. Ross wrote:

>webmaster@walls treetsoftware.c om wrote:

Hi all,
>
Without opening a HUGE can of worms, I just wanted to get some ideas
of what others are using professionally to create websites
commercially. For years I had used Homesite and never migrated to
Dreamweaver or ColdFusion. My limited abilities notwithstanding , I
have moved to FrontPage 2000 (forget validation) and now to MS
Publisher. Am I essentially bringing a knife to a gun fight here?
>
I have a very limited budget and want to be able to create dynamic
websites for potential clients. What is the best balance between cost
and effectiveness with ease of use as a prime consideration?
>
Chuck
>
PS: I've got my helmet and flak jacket on, go to my website and tell
me just how bad you think it is. www.wallstreetsoftware.com
cd
>

>>
>I use Wordpad to hand-code my HTML and CSS. I develop my pages in a
>mirror on my PC, which replicates the same file structure as I have on
>my ISP's Web server. This allows me to review and test my pages before
>uploading them to the server.
>>
>This does not work with SSI scripts. For those, my ISP allows me to use
>a secure Telnet session into my account on their Web server. I use vi
>to hand-code UNIX Korn-shell scripts and test them via the Telnet session.
>>
>Of course, no everyone knows how to hand-code HTML and CSS. I've looked
>at Nvu at <http://www.nvu.com/>. It seems to generate HTML that passes
>W3C validation. I don't particularly like the way Nvu formats the
>source HTML (the visual appearance) and the fact that it always inserts
>closing tags that are optional (e.g., </pat the end of a paragraph
>that is immediately followed by another paragraph). However, if you
>want a tool to generate Web pages that are suitable for all browsers,
>you might consider Nvu, which is freeware.
>>
>A list of freeware tools is at
><http://www.anybrowser. org/campaign/abtools.html>; this includes a
>discussion of the tools. There is also W3C's Amaya at
><http://www.w3.org/Amaya/>.
>>
>--
>>
>David E. Ross
><http://www.rossde.com/>
>>
>Concerned about someone (e.g., Pres. Bush) snooping
>into your E-mail? Use PGP.
>See my <http://www.rossde.com/PGP/>

[Darin McGrew]

Re: Editing software

webmaster@walls treetsoftware.c om wrote:

>>PS: I've got my helmet and flak jacket on, go to my website and tell
>>me just how bad you think it is. www.wallstreetsoftware.com

Beauregard T. Shagnasty <a.nony.mous@ex ample.invalidwr ote:

><meta name="GENERATOR " content="Micros oft FrontPage 4.0">
>>
>Ayup. 1995-style FrontPage code. <g Why do I have a horizontal
>scrollbar that goes to the east about four miles?

webmaster@walls treetsoftware.c om wrote:

What do you meant by " Why do I have a horizontal
scrollbar that goes to the east about four miles? "
I don't get it.

Well, "four miles" might be a bit of an exaggeration. But it is a
fixed-width design that forces horizontal scrolling in my default
(non-maximized) browser windows. BTS probably encountered the same thing.

A: It destroys the natural flow of conversation and makes discussions harder
to follow. See http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/brox.html

Q. What's wrong with Text Over, Fullquote Under (TOFU) posting?
--
Darin McGrew, darin@TheRallye Club.org, http://www.TheRallyeClub.org/
A gimmick car rallye is not a race, but a fun puzzle testing your
ability to follow instructions. Upcoming gimmick car rallye in
Silicon Valley: Four Ringy Dingy (Saturday, November 4)

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Re: Editing software

webmaster@walls treetsoftware.c om wrote:

BTS -
>
What do you meant by " Why do I have a horizontal scrollbar that goes
to the east about four miles? " I don't get it.

I'm viewing in Firefox 1.5.0.7. See screen shot. It's a full image,
about 170KB. Note how small the grabber is... scrolling right takes me
into a large black area about a third of the way to the right with some
more content in it, but it continues to scroll. If I also scroll
downward, I see some borders that extend to the final end, way over
there ----------------->

http://k75s.home.att.net/show/wallstreet.jpg

Some of the content over there ---- is:

[equis graphic]
releases
MetaStock v9.1
with a FREE
5 Year
Historical Data CD ! Plus get a FREE

This can be seen here. Note the position of the horiz scroll bar:

http://k75s.home.att.net/show/wallstreet2.jpg

It also looks amateurish with center-justified content.


Please don't top-post. Thanks.

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck