simpler example of the padding bug

[Neredbojias]

Re: simpler example of the padding bug

To further the education of mankind, ironcorona <iron.corona@gm ail.com>
vouchsafed:
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>>> I mean hell; if you really want to you can programme and distribute
>>> your own browsers that only read your own, brand-new markup language.
>>> It just wouldn't make people want to view your web pages.[/color]
>>
>> That would be taking a valid concept to an invalid extreme.[/color]
>
> That's true but what you're saying is IE will go away if we all close
> our eyes and hope it does.[/color]

No, I was implying that even mighty MS has to respect trends. IE could not
have lasted forever as an inferior browser/whatchamacallit . The point is
moot, anyway, since there is an IE7 in the offing.

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[ironcorona]

Re: simpler example of the padding bug

phil-news-nospam@ipal.net wrote:
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> That's because the button _is_ inside the cell. They exactly and correctly
> represent my expectation. AND ... they also represent how Firefox really
> did calculate the layout.[/color]

No, it's not. How could it be. You have told the browser that the
button is to be 100% of the cell. To pick an arbitrary figure this
means that if the width of the cell is 50px then the width of the button
MUST be 50px. What is 100% of 50px? 50px, of course.

50px CAN NOT fit inside 50px.

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[phil-news-nospam@ipal.net]

Re: simpler example of the padding bug

On Fri, 12 May 2006 16:21:12 +0800 ironcorona <iron.corona@gm ail.com> wrote:
| phil-news-nospam@ipal.net wrote:
|
|> That's because the button _is_ inside the cell. They exactly and correctly
|> represent my expectation. AND ... they also represent how Firefox really
|> did calculate the layout.
|
| No, it's not. How could it be. You have told the browser that the
| button is to be 100% of the cell. To pick an arbitrary figure this
| means that if the width of the cell is 50px then the width of the button
| MUST be 50px. What is 100% of 50px? 50px, of course.
|
| 50px CAN NOT fit inside 50px.

I interpret the standard a different way that you seem to. And Firefox
did do the layout as I expected. It just did one aspect of drawing in a
different way.

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[phil-news-nospam@ipal.net]

Re: simpler example of the padding bug

On Fri, 12 May 2006 02:18:02 -0400 Neredbojias <http://www.neredbojias .com/fliam.php?cat=a lt.html> wrote:
| To further the education of mankind, ironcorona <iron.corona@gm ail.com>
| vouchsafed:
|
|>>> I mean hell; if you really want to you can programme and distribute
|>>> your own browsers that only read your own, brand-new markup language.
|>>> It just wouldn't make people want to view your web pages.
|>>
|>> That would be taking a valid concept to an invalid extreme.
|>
|> That's true but what you're saying is IE will go away if we all close
|> our eyes and hope it does.
|
| No, I was implying that even mighty MS has to respect trends. IE could not
| have lasted forever as an inferior browser/whatchamacallit . The point is
| moot, anyway, since there is an IE7 in the offing.

Which is letting them maintain an "arm's distance" from web standards.

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[Neredbojias]

Re: simpler example of the padding bug

To further the education of mankind, phil-news-nospam@ipal.net
vouchsafed:
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>|> That's true but what you're saying is IE will go away if we all
>|> close our eyes and hope it does.
>|
>| No, I was implying that even mighty MS has to respect trends. IE
>| could not have lasted forever as an inferior browser/whatchamacallit .
>| The point is moot, anyway, since there is an IE7 in the offing.
>
> Which is letting them maintain an "arm's distance" from web standards.[/color]

Maybe, maybe not. While precedence has taught us to be cynical, who
knows?, IEx just might turn into a "model citizen". If Microsoft has any
real brains, it will...

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[phil-news-nospam@ipal.net]

Re: simpler example of the padding bug

On Fri, 12 May 2006 20:49:58 -0400 Neredbojias <http://www.neredbojias .com/fliam.php?cat=a lt.html> wrote:
| To further the education of mankind, phil-news-nospam@ipal.net
| vouchsafed:
|
|>|> That's true but what you're saying is IE will go away if we all
|>|> close our eyes and hope it does.
|>|
|>| No, I was implying that even mighty MS has to respect trends. IE
|>| could not have lasted forever as an inferior browser/whatchamacallit .
|>| The point is moot, anyway, since there is an IE7 in the offing.
|>
|> Which is letting them maintain an "arm's distance" from web standards.
|
| Maybe, maybe not. While precedence has taught us to be cynical, who
| knows?, IEx just might turn into a "model citizen". If Microsoft has any
| real brains, it will...

Reports from beta testers indicate disappointment. Apparently they do
not even fully comply with CSS2, which has been out how many years?

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[Neredbojias]

Re: simpler example of the padding bug

To further the education of mankind, phil-news-nospam@ipal.net
vouchsafed:
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>|> Which is letting them maintain an "arm's distance" from web
>|> standards.
>|
>| Maybe, maybe not. While precedence has taught us to be cynical, who
>| knows?, IEx just might turn into a "model citizen". If Microsoft has
>| any real brains, it will...
>
> Reports from beta testers indicate disappointment. Apparently they do
> not even fully comply with CSS2, which has been out how many years?[/color]

Neither does any other browser...

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