same address new page without using frames?

[wallster]

please keep the flaming to a minimum (a bucket of water is next to me)
but I have a question someone here might be able to explain in basic
terms for a dunce like me.
I helped a friend put together a website that uses his domain name and
url directs to my server. It has a (sorry) flash intro page that
continues to his main page. When I click on a navigation button, the
address reverts back to my webpage address. Without using shitty frames
design, how can i keep the navigated links keep the original address?
I'm using frontpage. Here's the website:

http://www.julicher-racing.com

thanks in advance.

wall

[wallster]

Re: same address new page without using frames?

ps. I know the best way to do this would be to have him pay for his own
web host service, but blood from a stone comes to mind when mentioned.

thanks,
wall

[Els]

Re: same address new page without using frames?

wallster wrote:
[color=blue]
> please keep the flaming to a minimum (a bucket of water is next to me)
> but I have a question someone here might be able to explain in basic
> terms for a dunce like me.[/color]

No flaming, but:
[color=blue]
> I helped a friend put together a website that uses his domain name and
> url directs to my server. It has a (sorry) flash intro page that
> continues to his main page.[/color]

Do /not/ play your music right through mine. Look at my sig. You think
I listen to that because I like to hear some other music right through
it? You didn't even provide a button where I could turn it off. If you
want to provide background music, place a button with the text "for
background music during your visit, please click here".
[color=blue]
> When I click on a navigation button, the
> address reverts back to my webpage address. Without using shitty frames
> design, how can i keep the navigated links keep the original address?[/color]

You shouldn't want to. What if your friend wants to show a certain
page of his site to his Mum? Tell her to type this, then click that,
then click that link, and then that link.... "what are you seeing Mum?
no no, you clicked one too many now. Go back." ;-)
[color=blue]
> I'm using frontpage. Here's the website:
> http://www.julicher-racing.com
> thanks in advance.[/color]

If your friend wants that domainname in every window, he should get
proper hosting. Doesn't have to cost the world, you can get good
hosting for 1 USD per month. That way you don't have to use frames,
and you get the best of both: the domain name doesn't go away, but the
pages are in the url too, so you can send people to a certain page
right away.

--
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Sonhos vem. Sonhos vão. O resto é imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -
Now playing: Squeeze - If It's Love

[wallster]

Re: same address new page without using frames?

thanks Els, that was what i was think all along (sorry about the music,
i thought the flash intro warning would have helped)
I'll just leave well enuf alone, just thought there was a way to simply
hide all that info (without frames). Making his Mum search like
squirrel would be the price to pay for being cheap!
Thanks again,
wall

[Els]

Re: same address new page without using frames?

wallster wrote:

Please quote what you are replying to. Possible even in Google Groups:

http://www.safalra.com/special/googlegroupsreply/

[color=blue]
> thanks Els, that was what i was think all along (sorry about the music,
> i thought the flash intro warning would have helped)[/color]

Well, I did click 'skip intro', but that opened a new tab, and the
music kept playing from the intro.
[color=blue]
> I'll just leave well enuf alone, just thought there was a way to simply
> hide all that info (without frames). Making his Mum search like
> squirrel would be the price to pay for being cheap![/color]

:-)

--
Els http://locusmeus.com/
Sonhos vem. Sonhos vão. O resto é imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -
Now playing: Squeeze - Labelled With Love

[wallster]

Re: same address new page without using frames?


Els wrote:[color=blue]
> wallster wrote:
>
> Please quote what you are replying to. Possible even in Google Groups:
> http://www.safalra.com/special/googlegroupsreply/[/color]


Thanks, got it now.
[color=blue]
>[color=green]
> > thanks Els, that was what i was think all along (sorry about the music,
> > i thought the flash intro warning would have helped)[/color]
>
> Well, I did click 'skip intro', but that opened a new tab, and the
> music kept playing from the intro.
>[color=green]
> > I'll just leave well enuf alone, just thought there was a way to simply
> > hide all that info (without frames). Making his Mum search like
> > squirrel would be the price to pay for being cheap![/color]
>
> :-)
>
> --
> Els http://locusmeus.com/
> Sonhos vem. Sonhos vão. O resto é imperfeito.
> - Renato Russo -
> Now playing: Squeeze - Labelled With Love[/color]

[Roy Schestowitz]

Re: same address new page without using frames?

__/ [Els] on Saturday 03 September 2005 18:22 \__
[color=blue]
> wallster wrote:
>[color=green]
>> please keep the flaming to a minimum (a bucket of water is next to me)
>> but I have a question someone here might be able to explain in basic
>> terms for a dunce like me.[/color]
>
> No flaming, but:
>[color=green]
>> I helped a friend put together a website that uses his domain name and
>> url directs to my server. It has a (sorry) flash intro page that
>> continues to his main page.[/color]
>
> Do /not/ play your music right through mine. Look at my sig. You think
> I listen to that because I like to hear some other music right through
> it? You didn't even provide a button where I could turn it off. If you
> want to provide background music, place a button with the text "for
> background music during your visit, please click here".[/color]


I think that's what the OP had the bucket of water for. I am sorry, but it's
missing the point, which is that a /client/ has certain dogmatic ideas in
mind. Have a look at:

http://www.danielsorogon.com

It is my first proper site, which I designed when I was 19. Flash
introduction and Flash pages (I insisted on alternative pages that override
Flash); used to have background MIDI audio (commented out now). It was not
my choice, but at least I have Flash among my list of skills. Let's try to
be productive rather than make the OP have even more feelings that conflict
the client stir.

[color=blue][color=green]
>> When I click on a navigation button, the
>> address reverts back to my webpage address. Without using shitty frames
>> design, how can i keep the navigated links keep the original address?[/color]
>
> You shouldn't want to. What if your friend wants to show a certain
> page of his site to his Mum? Tell her to type this, then click that,
> then click that link, and then that link.... "what are you seeing Mum?
> no no, you clicked one too many now. Go back." ;-)[/color]


This reminds me of a JavaScript menu and Perl-generated pages that were
developed to administer conferences [1] . You could /never/ ever deep link
to such a site. Pages were just one main address with arguments that are
passed (using JavaScript!) to Perl as arguments. This really boiled me so I
must agree with Els. Search engines might dislike that too. They will wind
up indexing a single page. This is always a terrible idea in commerce.

[1] Software developed by a colleague for a large set of international
conferences. Soon to be scraped and redesigned... but I declined the offer
to do so... they preferred ASP/.NET... *spit*

[color=blue][color=green]
>> I'm using frontpage. Here's the website:
>> http://www.julicher-racing.com
>> thanks in advance.[/color]
>
> If your friend wants that domainname in every window, he should get
> proper hosting. Doesn't have to cost the world, you can get good
> hosting for 1 USD per month. That way you don't have to use frames,
> and you get the best of both: the domain name doesn't go away, but the
> pages are in the url too, so you can send people to a certain page
> right away.[/color]

If you need cheap and highly reliable domain hosting, have a look at my
folks:

http://www.catalyst2.com/

Starts at GBP 12 per year + domain acquisition.

Hope it helps,

Roy

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[wallster]

Re: same address new page without using frames?


Roy Schestowitz wrote:[color=blue]
> __/ [Els] on Saturday 03 September 2005 18:22 \__
>
> <snipped> I think that's what the OP had the bucket of water for. I am sorry, but it's
> missing the point, which is that a /client/ has certain dogmatic ideas in
> mind. Have a look at:
>
> http://www.danielsorogon.com
>[/color]

I know alot of people frown upon frames but i think that site looks
great!
I have broadband so I like the flash presentations. Too bad dial up
surfers can't appreciate them.
[color=blue]
> It is my first proper site, which I designed when I was 19. Flash
> introduction and Flash pages (I insisted on alternative pages that override
> Flash); used to have background MIDI audio (commented out now). It was not
> my choice, but at least I have Flash among my list of skills. >[/color]
[color=blue]
> Hope it helps,[/color]

It has, thanks!

wall

[David Dorward]

Re: same address new page without using frames?

wallster wrote:
[color=blue][color=green]
>> http://www.danielsorogon.com[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> I know alot of people frown upon frames but i think that site looks
> great![/color]

Daniel Sorogon - Online Information and Projects Catalogue
[EMBED]

If your browser does not support Flash, click here


Click? With what?

If I follow the link then it takes me to a content less page (since the
<noframes> is empty).

It is possible to implement frames without introducing major problems for at
least some of your audience, but most of the time authors don't, and the
amount of work means that its usually better to take a different approach
in the first place.

--
David Dorward <http://blog.dorward.me .uk/> <http://dorward.me.uk/>
Home is where the ~/.bashrc is

[wallster]

Re: same address new page without using frames?


David Dorward wrote:[color=blue]
> wallster wrote:
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> >> http://www.danielsorogon.com[/color][/color]
>[color=green]
> > I know alot of people frown upon frames but i think that site looks
> > great![/color]
>
> Daniel Sorogon - Online Information and Projects Catalogue
> [EMBED]
>
> If your browser does not support Flash, click here
>
>
> Click? With what?
>
> If I follow the link then it takes me to a content less page (since the
> <noframes> is empty).
>
> It is possible to implement frames without introducing major problems for at
> least some of your audience, but most of the time authors don't, and the
> amount of work means that its usually better to take a different approach
> in the first place.[/color]

I agree that it's just not universal enough for all users. I wouldn't
use them because of that reason but if I were a website designer and
that's what my customer insisted on, well that could be another story i
guess. The same applies with flash. At least with just a flash intro
page that has a skip intro prompt, you dont have to wait a year with
your dial up connection to load the page. I personally like the way
some of these look (as a web surfer) but again, it should be good for
as many visitors as possible.

walt

[Stan Brown]

Re: same address new page without using frames?

In article <i4wdo1ajl2i4.d lg@locusmeus.co m>, Els favored us with...[color=blue]
> Doesn't have to cost the world, you can get good
> hosting for 1 USD per month.[/color]

Citation, please?

--
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http://OakRoadSystems.com/

HTML 4.01 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/
validator: http://validator.w3.org/
CSS 2.1 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/
validator: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/
Why We Won't Help You:

http://diveintomark.org/archives/2003/05/05/why_we_wont_help_you

[Stan Brown]

Re: same address new page without using frames?

In article <9ow01maoahe3$. dlg@locusmeus.c om>, Els favored us with...[color=blue]
> Please quote what you are replying to. Possible even in Google Groups:
> http://www.safalra.com/special/googlegroupsreply/[/color]

Nice link! I've updated my "Playing Nice on Usenet",
<http://oakroadsystems. com/genl/unice.htm>.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA

http://OakRoadSystems.com/

HTML 4.01 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/
validator: http://validator.w3.org/
CSS 2.1 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/
validator: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/
Why We Won't Help You:

http://diveintomark.org/archives/2003/05/05/why_we_wont_help_you

[Roy Schestowitz]

Re: Flash and Frames in Sites

__/ [wallster] on Saturday 03 September 2005 22:25 \__
[color=blue]
>
> David Dorward wrote:[color=green]
>> wallster wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> http://www.danielsorogon.com[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> > I know alot of people frown upon frames but i think that site looks
>> > great![/color]
>>
>> Daniel Sorogon - Online Information and Projects
>> Catalogue
>> [EMBED]
>>
>> If your browser does not support Flash, click here
>>
>>
>> Click? With what?[/color][/color]


The text "If your browser does not support Flash, click here" appears below
the Flash object, so when Flash is not supported, the introduction page can
be skipped.

[color=blue][color=green]
>> If I follow the link then it takes me to a content less page (since the
>> <noframes> is empty).
>>
>> It is possible to implement frames without introducing major problems for
>> at least some of your audience, but most of the time authors don't, and
>> the amount of work means that its usually better to take a different
>> approach in the first place.[/color][/color]


Please get a feel for the entire /context/ of the message. I listed the site
above as a /bad/ example.

[color=blue]
> I agree that it's just not universal enough for all users. I wouldn't
> use them because of that reason but if I were a website designer and
> that's what my customer insisted on, well that could be another story i
> guess. The same applies with flash. At least with just a flash intro
> page that has a skip intro prompt, you dont have to wait a year with
> your dial up connection to load the page. I personally like the way
> some of these look (as a web surfer) but again, it should be good for
> as many visitors as possible.[/color]


Remember that your Web pages is served to robots as well as visitors, which
in turn can attract plenty of visitors. Half of my entire traffic is
consumed by search engines. In the first place, many visitors found about
about my Web sites owing to search engines. The site listed above really
deters any single search engine.

Roy

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[Els]

Re: same address new page without using frames?

Stan Brown wrote:
[color=blue]
> In article <i4wdo1ajl2i4.d lg@locusmeus.co m>, Els favored us with...[color=green]
>> Doesn't have to cost the world, you can get good
>> hosting for 1 USD per month.[/color]
>
> Citation, please?[/color]

http://hostingforabuck.com/

Besides cheap also very helpful and quick to respond.

--
Els http://locusmeus.com/
Sonhos vem. Sonhos vão. O resto é imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -

[Roy Schestowitz]

Re: Hosting for a Buck

__/ [Els] on Sunday 04 September 2005 07:11 \__
[color=blue]
> Stan Brown wrote:
>[color=green]
>> In article <i4wdo1ajl2i4.d lg@locusmeus.co m>, Els favored us with...[color=darkred]
>>> Doesn't have to cost the world, you can get good
>>> hosting for 1 USD per month.[/color]
>>
>> Citation, please?[/color]
>
> http://hostingforabuck.com/
>
> Besides cheap also very helpful and quick to respond.[/color]

While I am impressed by the price, having checked for some catches like
expensive domain registration, I must point out the following:

- Site was first observed in March 2003

- Site traffic appears to be low (5 millionth+ according to Netcraft, not
known to Alexa)

- Risk rating is 1/10.

- Many domains are registered with the host. I can see at least 1000 of
them.


In summary, there are a few red flags, but also some encouraging figures. Be
cautious because moving from one host to another is an
effort/time-consuming process.

Roy

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