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  • 'sNiek
    #1

    Deamweaver 8

    Soon Dreamweaver 8 will be released:
    http://www.macromedia.com/software/dreamweaver/?promoid=BINR


    Has anyone used/seen a beta-version? According to the site it has an
    approved css-suport.



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    Niek
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    • Harlan Messinger
      #2
      Re: Deamweaver 8

      'sNiek wrote:[color=blue]
      > Soon Dreamweaver 8 will be released:
      > http://www.macromedia.com/software/d.../?promoid=BINR
      >
      > Has anyone used/seen a beta-version? According to the site it has an
      > approved css-suport.[/color]


      "Approved"? By whom?

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        • 'sNiek
          #3
          Re: Deamweaver 8

          Harlan Messinger schreef:[color=blue]
          > 'sNiek wrote:
          >[color=green]
          >> Soon Dreamweaver 8 will be released:
          >> http://www.macromedia.com/software/d.../?promoid=BINR
          >>
          >> Has anyone used/seen a beta-version? According to the site it has an
          >> approved css-suport.[/color]
          >
          >
          >
          > "Approved"? By whom?[/color]


          By nobody, I meant improved... sorry!

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          Niek

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            • Matt Silberstein
              #4
              Re: Deamweaver 8

              On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:01:30 -0400, in
              comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.stylesheets , Harlan Messinger
              <hmessinger.rem ovethis@comcast .net> in
              <3mgu9qF16m5e6U 1@individual.ne t> wrote:
              [color=blue]
              >'sNiek wrote:[color=green]
              >> Soon Dreamweaver 8 will be released:
              >> http://www.macromedia.com/software/d.../?promoid=BINR
              >>
              >> Has anyone used/seen a beta-version? According to the site it has an
              >> approved css-suport.[/color]
              >
              >
              >"Approved"? By whom?[/color]

              It is funny how the mind works. I read it as "improved", what I am
              sure he meant, the first time. I just did not see the typo.


              --
              Matt Silberstein


              And now our bodies are oh so close and tight
              It never felt so good, it never felt so right
              And we're glowing like the metal on the edge of a knife
              C'mon! Hold on tight!
              C'mon! Hold on tight!

              Though it's cold and lonley in the deep dark night
              I can see paradise by the dashboard light
              Paradise by the dashboard light

              Jim Steinman

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                • Gérard Talbot
                  #5
                  Re: Deamweaver 8

                  'sNiek wrote :[color=blue]
                  > Soon Dreamweaver 8 will be released:
                  > http://www.macromedia.com/software/d.../?promoid=BINR
                  >
                  > Has anyone used/seen a beta-version? According to the site it has an
                  > approved css-suport.
                  >
                  >
                  >[/color]

                  MacroMedia does not believe in valid code. They prefer to use invalid
                  markup code to create a webpage promoting their product.

                  MacroMedia believes in non-resizable secondary window; that's the way
                  MacroMedia promotes accessibility.

                  MacroMedia believes in non-scrollable secondary windows; it's their way
                  to say "Make your visitors fit into *your* well-crafted-with-DreamWeaver
                  popup window."

                  MacroMedia believes in browser sniffing based on user agent string
                  detection. MacroMedia does not believe in object/feature detection. And
                  they are teaching you how to do the same for your visitors.

                  MacroMedia believes in shock-wave flash, whether the user likes Flash or
                  not. And they want you to do the same.

                  MacroMedia believes in webpages that takes forever to load, in font size
                  of 10px for navigation links, in webpages design that rely on an insane
                  amount of stylesheets, hundreds css rules, thousands of declarations and
                  blatant over-constrained designs.

                  MacroMedia believes in generous amounts of document.write( ), spacer gifs
                  now called flash pixels, believes in classitis designs and in the reign
                  of "javascript :" pseudo-links.

                  MacroMedia does not believe in user community driven software nor in
                  compliance with W3C web standards. MacroMedia believes $399 US to be a
                  fair price for purchasing a single licence for DreamWeaver 8.

                  MacroMedia has been a pionneer on making inaccessible webpages, on using
                  deprecated techniques, on imposing Flash to visitors, on promoting and
                  reusing forever deprecated coding techniques, on using again and again
                  obsolete MacroMedia functions for years and years.

                  And they'll keep on doing all of this with their future webpage which
                  will be promoting DreamWeaver 9 for only $399 too.

                  Gérard
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                    • 'sNiek
                      #6
                      Re: Deamweaver 8

                      Gérard Talbot schreef:[color=blue]
                      > MacroMedia
                      > MacroMedia
                      > MacroMedia
                      > MacroMedia
                      > MacroMedia
                      > MacroMedia
                      > MacroMedia
                      > MacroMedia
                      > MacroMedia
                      > MacroMedia[/color]

                      I gather that you're not a Macromedia fan :-)

                      I think dat DW is one of the best 'WYSIWYG'-editors available, surely it
                      has it's minr points (oke, quite a bunch). But it has features to
                      build complex websites and using multiple templates and/or library-items
                      (I hate that name).

                      Anyway, you can give me a hint on a good alternative?



                      --
                      Niek

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                        • Gérard Talbot
                          #7
                          Re: Deamweaver 8

                          'sNiek wrote :[color=blue]
                          > Gérard Talbot schreef:
                          >[color=green]
                          >> MacroMedia MacroMedia MacroMedia MacroMedia MacroMedia MacroMedia
                          >> MacroMedia MacroMedia MacroMedia MacroMedia[/color]
                          >
                          >
                          > I gather that you're not a Macromedia fan :-)
                          >[/color]

                          I've never use it actually. But I've seen the code it generates hundreds
                          and hundreds of times on the web.
                          [color=blue]
                          > I think dat DW is one of the best 'WYSIWYG'-editors available, surely it
                          > has it's minr points (oke, quite a bunch).[/color]

                          The problem is not so much the weaknesses, flaws, limitations of a tool
                          as much as the competence, experience, abilities of its user to begin
                          with. I certainly could be able to use DW 8. But I am able to avoid
                          using it entirely.
                          One thing I would definitely not use are the pre-made javascript/DHTML
                          functions it offers. The web is full of functions starting with "MM_"
                          and most of them are wrongly, badly written and people never question
                          these functions *because they do not understand these functions at all
                          to begin with*. They only look for the results. So with time, people
                          using DW become less and less web authors and more and more DW "operators" .

                          But it has features to build[color=blue]
                          > complex websites and using multiple templates and/or library-items (I
                          > hate that name).
                          >
                          > Anyway, you can give me a hint on a good alternative?
                          >[/color]

                          Nr 1 alternative: hand code. That's right. Start learning and
                          understanding what you write. I see hundreds of benefits: you'll
                          actually manage, update, upgrade your webpages a lot better. In the long
                          run, your webpages will be/should be more accessible, web standards
                          compliant, interoperable across platforms, media, devices, etc.

                          Nr 2 alternative: Nvu 1.0 <http://www.nvu.com/>. Free, user-community
                          driven, highly web standards compliant. Together with the CSS built-in
                          editor (CaScadeS), Venkman javascript debugger and DOM inspector, you
                          get very powerful tools for any kind of DHTML website.

                          Gérard
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