Mysterious link on a page

[Glenn Alcott]

On a page I am working on which has three graphic buttons, there is a small
line between two of the buttons which links to the same page as one of the
buttons. I have no idea how this line got in there and would appreciate
anyone checking it out for a clue that I may be missing. The page is at
http://www.ultimateinsurancejobs.com/test2/login1.asp The line is between
the Register and Lost Password buttons, and links to the same page as the
Register button.

Glenn

[Mark Parnell]

Re: Mysterious link on a page

Previously in comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html, Glenn Alcott
<galcott@nyc.rr .com> said:
[color=blue]
> On a page I am working on which has three graphic buttons, there is a small
> line between two of the buttons which links to the same page as one of the
> buttons.[/color]

Did you try validating the page?

http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A//www.ultimateinsurancejobs.com/test2/login1.asp

(watch wrapping)

That would have told you (amongst other things) that you are missing the
</a> on both the links (errors 8 and 10-13).

--
Mark Parnell

http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au

[Lars Eighner]

Re: Mysterious link on a page

In our last episode,
<wjTke.14411$IX 4.9424@twister. nyc.rr.com>,
the lovely and talented Glenn Alcott
broadcast on comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html:
[color=blue]
> On a page I am working on which has three graphic buttons, there is a small
> line between two of the buttons which links to the same page as one of the
> buttons. I have no idea how this line got in there and would appreciate
> anyone checking it out for a clue that I may be missing. The page is at
> http://www.ultimateinsurancejobs.com/test2/login1.asp The line is between
> the Register and Lost Password buttons, and links to the same page as the
> Register button.[/color]

This page is full of a lot of javascript crap, &nbsp; and other
screw-ups, images are used for lost password and register links
without any alt texts, and is pretty much lousy overall.
However, perhaps your problem is that you haven't closed the A
tags for lost password and register. You may not understand
what that means, judging from the rest of this document. It
means when you have <a href> you have to have </a> and you
cannot nest <a href> tags.

--
Lars Eighner eighner@io.com http://www.larseighner.com/
Dynamic linking error: Your mistake is now everywhere.

[Lars Eighner]

Re: Mysterious link on a page

In our last episode,
<slrnd981fk.26c p.eighner@goodw ill.io.com>,
the lovely and talented Lars Eighner
broadcast on comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html:
[color=blue]
> In our last episode,
><wjTke.14411$I X4.9424@twister .nyc.rr.com>,
> the lovely and talented Glenn Alcott
> broadcast on comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html:[/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> On a page I am working on which has three graphic buttons, there is a small
>> line between two of the buttons which links to the same page as one of the
>> buttons. I have no idea how this line got in there and would appreciate
>> anyone checking it out for a clue that I may be missing. The page is at
>> http://www.ultimateinsurancejobs.com/test2/login1.asp The line is between
>> the Register and Lost Password buttons, and links to the same page as the
>> Register button.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> This page is full of a lot of javascript crap, &nbsp; and other
> screw-ups, images are used for lost password and register links
> without any alt texts, and is pretty much lousy overall.
> However, perhaps your problem is that you haven't closed the A
> tags for lost password and register. You may not understand
> what that means, judging from the rest of this document. It
> means when you have <a href> you have to have </a> and you
> cannot nest <a href> tags.[/color]

Not to mention you have </td</tr>. Have you ever heard of a
validator? Are you getting paid for this???


--
Lars Eighner eighner@io.com http://www.larseighner.com/
War hath no fury like a noncombatant.
- Charles Edward Montague

[Glenn Alcott]

Re: Mysterious link on a page


"Lars Eighner" <eighner@io.com > wrote in message
news:slrnd981mn .26cp.eighner@g oodwill.io.com. ..[color=blue]
> In our last episode,
> <slrnd981fk.26c p.eighner@goodw ill.io.com>,
> the lovely and talented Lars Eighner
> broadcast on comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html:
>[color=green]
> > In our last episode,
> ><wjTke.14411$I X4.9424@twister .nyc.rr.com>,
> > the lovely and talented Glenn Alcott
> > broadcast on comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html:[/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> >> On a page I am working on which has three graphic buttons, there is a[/color][/color][/color]
small[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> line between two of the buttons which links to the same page as one of[/color][/color][/color]
the[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> buttons. I have no idea how this line got in there and would appreciate
> >> anyone checking it out for a clue that I may be missing. The page is at
> >> http://www.ultimateinsurancejobs.com/test2/login1.asp The line is[/color][/color][/color]
between[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> the Register and Lost Password buttons, and links to the same page as[/color][/color][/color]
the[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> Register button.[/color][/color]
>[color=green]
> > This page is full of a lot of javascript crap, &nbsp; and other
> > screw-ups, images are used for lost password and register links
> > without any alt texts, and is pretty much lousy overall.
> > However, perhaps your problem is that you haven't closed the A
> > tags for lost password and register. You may not understand
> > what that means, judging from the rest of this document. It
> > means when you have <a href> you have to have </a> and you
> > cannot nest <a href> tags.[/color]
>
> Not to mention you have </td</tr>. Have you ever heard of a
> validator? Are you getting paid for this???
>
>
> --
> Lars Eighner eighner@io.com[/color]
http://www.larseighner.com/[color=blue]
> War hath no fury like a noncombatant.
> - Charles Edward Montague[/color]

I really don't appreciate the snide tone of your comments. First of all, I
did not create this page
but am fixing up someone else's work. The "javascript crap" is a menu
system - hardly what I
would call crap! And I do understand missing closing tags - they just got
lost somehow and I
didn't see it because I was tired. The </td</tr> was a typo - don't those
happen to you?
Your condescending attitude is really offensive.

Glenn

[Arne]

Re: Mysterious link on a page

Once upon a time *Glenn Alcott* wrote:
[color=blue]
> "Lars Eighner" <eighner@io.com > wrote in message
> news:slrnd981mn .26cp.eighner@g oodwill.io.com. ..[color=green]
>> In our last episode,
>> <slrnd981fk.26c p.eighner@goodw ill.io.com>,
>> the lovely and talented Lars Eighner
>> broadcast on comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html:
>>[color=darkred]
>> > In our last episode,
>> ><wjTke.14411$I X4.9424@twister .nyc.rr.com>,
>> > the lovely and talented Glenn Alcott
>> > broadcast on comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html:[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> On a page I am working on which has three graphic buttons, there is a[/color][/color]
> small[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >> line between two of the buttons which links to the same page as one of[/color][/color]
> the[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >> buttons. I have no idea how this line got in there and would appreciate
>> >> anyone checking it out for a clue that I may be missing. The page is at
>> >> http://www.ultimateinsurancejobs.com/test2/login1.asp The line is[/color][/color]
> between[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >> the Register and Lost Password buttons, and links to the same page as[/color][/color]
> the[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >> Register button.[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> > This page is full of a lot of javascript crap, &nbsp; and other
>> > screw-ups, images are used for lost password and register links
>> > without any alt texts, and is pretty much lousy overall.
>> > However, perhaps your problem is that you haven't closed the A
>> > tags for lost password and register. You may not understand
>> > what that means, judging from the rest of this document. It
>> > means when you have <a href> you have to have </a> and you
>> > cannot nest <a href> tags.[/color]
>>
>> Not to mention you have </td</tr>. Have you ever heard of a
>> validator? Are you getting paid for this???
>>
>>
>> --
>> Lars Eighner eighner@io.com[/color]
> http://www.larseighner.com/[color=green]
>> War hath no fury like a noncombatant.
>> - Charles Edward Montague[/color]
>
> I really don't appreciate the snide tone of your comments. First of all, I
> did not create this page
> but am fixing up someone else's work. The "javascript crap" is a menu
> system - hardly what I
> would call crap! And I do understand missing closing tags - they just got
> lost somehow and I
> didn't see it because I was tired. The </td</tr> was a typo - don't those
> happen to you?
> Your condescending attitude is really offensive.
>[/color]

The errors may not be yours. But honestly, the validator at W3C could
have told you what's wrong in the matter of your questions. So, did
you validate the page before posting here?

And no matter who wrote it or put it on the page, the Javascript menu
system is crap. My JS Consol told me this on several lines:

"Warning: Non-standard Global Element reference was used. Use W3C
standard document.getEle mentById() instead.
Source File:

http://www.provant.be/jeugd/Lay-out%20website/Linkermenu%20website/linkermenu.htm

BTW, as you may know, directories (folders) and file names should not
have spaces in them, as you can see above. So you can maybe fix that
to, since you are on "fixing up someone else's work"? :)

--
/Arne

Top posters will be ignored. Quote the part you
are replying to, no more and no less! And don't
quote signatures, thank you.

[Glenn Alcott]

Re: Mysterious link on a page


"Arne" <invalid@domain .invalid> wrote in message
news:3fj9v4F83r 26U1@individual .net...[color=blue]
> Once upon a time *Glenn Alcott* wrote:
>[color=green]
> > "Lars Eighner" <eighner@io.com > wrote in message
> > news:slrnd981mn .26cp.eighner@g oodwill.io.com. ..[color=darkred]
> >> In our last episode,
> >> <slrnd981fk.26c p.eighner@goodw ill.io.com>,
> >> the lovely and talented Lars Eighner
> >> broadcast on comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html:
> >>
> >> > In our last episode,
> >> ><wjTke.14411$I X4.9424@twister .nyc.rr.com>,
> >> > the lovely and talented Glenn Alcott
> >> > broadcast on comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html:
> >>
> >> >> On a page I am working on which has three graphic buttons, there is[/color][/color][/color]
a[color=blue][color=green]
> > small[color=darkred]
> >> >> line between two of the buttons which links to the same page as one[/color][/color][/color]
of[color=blue][color=green]
> > the[color=darkred]
> >> >> buttons. I have no idea how this line got in there and would[/color][/color][/color]
appreciate[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> >> anyone checking it out for a clue that I may be missing. The page is[/color][/color][/color]
at[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> >> http://www.ultimateinsurancejobs.com/test2/login1.asp The line is[/color]
> > between[color=darkred]
> >> >> the Register and Lost Password buttons, and links to the same page[/color][/color][/color]
as[color=blue][color=green]
> > the[color=darkred]
> >> >> Register button.
> >>
> >> > This page is full of a lot of javascript crap, &nbsp; and other
> >> > screw-ups, images are used for lost password and register links
> >> > without any alt texts, and is pretty much lousy overall.
> >> > However, perhaps your problem is that you haven't closed the A
> >> > tags for lost password and register. You may not understand
> >> > what that means, judging from the rest of this document. It
> >> > means when you have <a href> you have to have </a> and you
> >> > cannot nest <a href> tags.
> >>
> >> Not to mention you have </td</tr>. Have you ever heard of a
> >> validator? Are you getting paid for this???
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Lars Eighner eighner@io.com[/color]
> > http://www.larseighner.com/[color=darkred]
> >> War hath no fury like a noncombatant.
> >> - Charles Edward Montague[/color]
> >
> > I really don't appreciate the snide tone of your comments. First of all,[/color][/color]
I[color=blue][color=green]
> > did not create this page
> > but am fixing up someone else's work. The "javascript crap" is a menu
> > system - hardly what I
> > would call crap! And I do understand missing closing tags - they just[/color][/color]
got[color=blue][color=green]
> > lost somehow and I
> > didn't see it because I was tired. The </td</tr> was a typo - don't[/color][/color]
those[color=blue][color=green]
> > happen to you?
> > Your condescending attitude is really offensive.
> >[/color]
>
> The errors may not be yours. But honestly, the validator at W3C could
> have told you what's wrong in the matter of your questions. So, did
> you validate the page before posting here?
>
> And no matter who wrote it or put it on the page, the Javascript menu
> system is crap. My JS Consol told me this on several lines:
>
> "Warning: Non-standard Global Element reference was used. Use W3C
> standard document.getEle mentById() instead.
> Source File:
>[/color]
http://www.provant.be/jeugd/Lay-out%...linkermenu.htm[color=blue]
>
> BTW, as you may know, directories (folders) and file names should not
> have spaces in them, as you can see above. So you can maybe fix that
> to, since you are on "fixing up someone else's work"? :)
>
> --
> /Arne[/color]

You're right, the validator probably would have been useful in this case.
But in the past I
have found it to list so many insignificant errors that it is hard to weed
out the important ones.
I just ran a few major commercial sites (Google, Yahoo, NY Times, Cnet, ABC
News) through the
validator and most of them had hundreds of errors - Cnet had over 2000! So
how can
you wade through all that to find what matters?

The Javascript menu I am using (http://www.milonic.com) may not validate
perfectly but that hardly
makes it crap. It works extremely well and is used on thousands of sites, as
are other similar systems.
Please get real here! By the standards you are using, almost any Javascript
on the web is probably crap,
and in fact most of the web is probably crap also. Fortunately, browsers are
tolerant so lots of this "crap"
ends up looking pretty good.

Glenn

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Re: Mysterious link on a page

Glenn Alcott wrote:[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>>I really don't appreciate the snide tone of your comments. First of all,[/color][/color]
>
> I
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>did not create this page
>>>but am fixing up someone else's work. The "javascript crap" is a menu
>>>system - hardly what I
>>>would call crap! And I do understand missing closing tags - they just[/color][/color]
>
> got
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>lost somehow and I
>>>didn't see it because I was tired. The </td</tr> was a typo - don't[/color][/color]
>
> those
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>happen to you?[/color][/color][/color]

Not after validating the page...
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>>Your condescending attitude is really offensive.[/color][/color][/color]

Welcome to Usenet! <insert flock of smileys>
[color=blue]
> You're right, the validator probably would have been useful in this case.
> But in the past I
> have found it to list so many insignificant errors that it is hard to weed
> out the important ones.
> I just ran a few major commercial sites (Google, Yahoo, NY Times, Cnet, ABC
> News) through the
> validator and most of them had hundreds of errors - Cnet had over 2000! So
> how can
> you wade through all that to find what matters?
>
> The Javascript menu I am using (http://www.milonic.com) may not validate
> perfectly but that hardly
> makes it crap. It works extremely well and is used on thousands of sites, as
> are other similar systems.
> Please get real here! By the standards you are using, almost any Javascript
> on the web is probably crap,
> and in fact most of the web is probably crap also. Fortunately, browsers are
> tolerant so lots of this "crap"
> ends up looking pretty good.[/color]

Do realize that your JavaScript menu will not be found or be usable by
~10% of your visitors - those who disable it or where it is not
available in their browsers.

Your most important visitor - the Googlebot - will not be able to
follow your links.

Please fix your newsreader's line length to something around 80
characters or less.

--
-bts
-This space intentionally left blank.

[Glenn Alcott]

Re: Mysterious link on a page

"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@ex ample.invalid> wrote in message
news:zb%ke.1586 1$zd5.1434@twis ter.nyroc.rr.co m...[color=blue]
>
> Do realize that your JavaScript menu will not be found or be usable by
> ~10% of your visitors - those who disable it or where it is not
> available in their browsers.
>
> Your most important visitor - the Googlebot - will not be able to
> follow your links.
>
> Please fix your newsreader's line length to something around 80
> characters or less.
>
> --
> -bts
> -This space intentionally left blank.[/color]

Yes, I realize that some people disable JS (I've seen a few different
figures
but I don't think anyone really knows how many). But it's impossible to
create a functional site of this type, with data entry and a database back
end,
without using JS. If people disable it they are disabling a huge chunk of
the
web. As far as it not being available in browsers, when was the last browser
version that didn't have it? Maybe 7 or 8 years ago? I'm not going to worry
about that, for sure.

Glenn

[Mark Tranchant]

Re: Mysterious link on a page

Glenn Alcott wrote:
[color=blue]
> But it's impossible to create a functional site of this type, with
> data entry and a database back end, without using JS.[/color]

No, it isn't.

--
Mark.

http://tranchant.plus.com/

[Mark Tranchant]

Re: Mysterious link on a page

Glenn Alcott wrote:
[color=blue]
> You're right, the validator probably would have been useful in this
> case. But in the past I have found it to list so many insignificant
> errors that it is hard to weed out the important ones.[/color]

Write code that validates from the outset.
[color=blue]
> I just ran a few major commercial sites (Google, Yahoo, NY Times,
> Cnet, ABC News) through the validator and most of them had hundreds
> of errors - Cnet had over 2000! So how can you wade through all that
> to find what matters?[/color]

Write code that validates from the outset. Others' bad examples are no
excuse for your own.
[color=blue]
> The Javascript menu I am using (http://www.milonic.com) may not
> validate perfectly but that hardly makes it crap. It works extremely
> well and is used on thousands of sites, as are other similar systems.
> Please get real here! By the standards you are using, almost any
> Javascript on the web is probably crap, and in fact most of the web
> is probably crap also. Fortunately, browsers are tolerant so lots of
> this "crap" ends up looking pretty good.[/color]

You're right, but if you want help here, make it good first. You are now
expecting *us* to wade through hundreds of errors to find the important one.

It is possible to write good JS. See:

http://www.onlinetools.org/articles/unobtrusivejavascript/index.html

--
Mark.

http://tranchant.plus.com/

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Re: Mysterious link on a page

Glenn Alcott wrote:[color=blue]
> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@ex ample.invalid> wrote
>[color=green]
>>Please fix your newsreader's line length to something around 80
>>characters or less.[/color][/color]

Please do look into setting your line length.
[color=blue]
> Yes, I realize that some people disable JS (I've seen a few different
> figures[/color]

~10% give or take. Depending on JS for your business is like ...
shutting off your web server for about six weeks a year.
[color=blue]
> but I don't think anyone really knows how many). But it's impossible to
> create a functional site of this type, with data entry and a database back
> end,
> without using JS.[/color]

<ROF,L> I write and maintain functional sites with data entry and
(obviously) a database back end, and I don't use JavaScript *anywhere*.
[color=blue]
> If people disable it they are disabling a huge chunk of
> the
> web. As far as it not being available in browsers, when was the last browser
> version that didn't have it? Maybe 7 or 8 years ago? I'm not going to worry
> about that, for sure.[/color]

It has been awhile since a major browser did not *have* JavaScript. It
has been just *today* when one of your potential customers *disabled
it* because of either security reasons, stupid popup windows, or other
trash that so many authors think is .. cool.

--
-bts
-This space intentionally left blank.

[Glenn Alcott]

Re: Mysterious link on a page


"Mark Tranchant" <mark@tranchant .plus.com> wrote in message
news:4294842e$0 $39059$ed2e19e4 @ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.n et...[color=blue]
> Glenn Alcott wrote:
>[color=green]
> > But it's impossible to create a functional site of this type, with
> > data entry and a database back end, without using JS.[/color]
>
> No, it isn't.
>
> --
> Mark.
> http://tranchant.plus.com/[/color]

Maybe I'm missing something here but how can you do stuff like
client-side validation without JS?

Glenn

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Re: Mysterious link on a page

Glenn Alcott wrote:[color=blue]
> "Mark Tranchant" <mark@tranchant .plus.com> wrote in message
> news:4294842e$0 $39059$ed2e19e4 @ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.n et...
>[color=green]
>> Glenn Alcott wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> But it's impossible to create a functional site of this type,
>>> with data entry and a database back end, without using JS.[/color]
>>
>> No, it isn't.[/color]
>
> Maybe I'm missing something here but how can you do stuff like
> client-side validation without JS?[/color]

You still need to validate it on the server, therefore you do not
*need* the JavaScript. Consider it an enhancement.

--
-bts
-This space intentionally left blank.

[David Ross]

Re: Mysterious link on a page

Glenn Alcott wrote [in part]:[color=blue]
>
> You're right, the validator probably would have been useful in this case.
> But in the past I
> have found it to list so many insignificant errors that it is hard to weed
> out the important ones.
> I just ran a few major commercial sites (Google, Yahoo, NY Times, Cnet, ABC
> News) through the
> validator and most of them had hundreds of errors - Cnet had over 2000! So
> how can
> you wade through all that to find what matters?[/color]

Please don't dismiss the W3C validator so easily.

You asked for help in finding out why a page seems to display
incorrectly. Before asking, your first step should indeed be
validating the page. The second step should be removing ALL errors
reported by the validator because that increases the ability of ALL
browsers to display your page appropriately.

When all HTML syntax errors are eliminated, it then becomes easier
to find the logical errors (those not detected by the validator)
that cause a page to display not as intended. Without you removing
the syntax errors reported by the validator, the rest of us cannot
really tell which of those errors is causing your problem.

--

David E. Ross
<URL:http://www.rossde.com/>

I use Mozilla as my Web browser because I want a browser that
complies with Web standards. See <URL:http://www.mozilla.org/>.