How to disable frames in a browser?

[Dfenestr8]

Hi. I'm designing a site, and I'm trying find a way of browsing it without
using frames, so I can test the <noframes> </noframes> tags.

I use a linux mandrake 10 system, with KDE 3.2.

Is there a browser for linux that doesn't use frames? Or is it possible to
configure either firefox or konqueror to not use frames?

[Michael Black]

Re: How to disable frames in a browser?


Dfenestr8 (chrisdewinN0SP AM@yahoo.com.au ) writes:[color=blue]
> Hi. I'm designing a site, and I'm trying find a way of browsing it without
> using frames, so I can test the <noframes> </noframes> tags.
>
> I use a linux mandrake 10 system, with KDE 3.2.
>
> Is there a browser for linux that doesn't use frames? Or is it possible to
> configure either firefox or konqueror to not use frames?[/color]

Pick a real browser, not one of those sissy ones.

Lynx is guaranteed to not do frames, and surely if you make sure a sight
works with that, you'll have a site that works with anything. It also
doesn't do java or javascript, or even graphics. I've used it for
nine years come August, and even after I was able to run something
better in mid-2001 I stuck with Lynx as my main browser.

Michael

[ynotssor]

Re: How to disable frames in a browser?

"Michael Black" <et472@FreeNet. Carleton.CA> wrote in message
news:d2ta4p$old $1@theodyn.ncf. ca
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> Pick a real browser, not one of those sissy ones.
>
> Lynx is guaranteed to not do frames, ...[/color]

"lynx islandbounty.co m" does indeed present frames.

[Jukka K. Korpela]

Re: How to disable frames in a browser?

Dfenestr8 <chrisdewinN0SP AM@yahoo.com.au > wrote:
[color=blue]
> Hi. I'm designing a site, and I'm trying find a way of browsing it
> without using frames, so I can test the <noframes> </noframes>
> tags.[/color]

Here's a copy of an answer that I recently sent to a similar question
in alt.html:

In addition to the possibility of installing a noframes-capable browser
such as Opera, there's a simple way: Create a file that contains the
content of your <noframes> element and access it. The simplest way is
to create a copy of your current frameset page and delete the
<frameset> and <frame> tags.

This won't tell how well the page works when the page is accessed using
a browser that uses frames but presents them in a non-visual way, as
e.g. speech-based browsers have to. Using the Lynx browser (or a Lynx
simulator) is a simple tool for such testing, which is actually more
important than noframes testing.

Quick test: read the names of your frames and ask someone to decide, on
the basis of the names alone, which frame he would choose to find
something on your page. (Use a novice, preferably. An experienced user
might guess that "left" is navigation menu and "right" is content.)

***

There was also the following reply, which I haven't tested:
"for Mozilla (Firefox and probably Netscape as well) in address bar
enter 'about:config' search for 'frames' then change the setting
'browser.frames .enabled' to 'false'"

But at least on Mozilla Firefox on Windows, changing that setting
does not seem to change anything until I close Firefox. Then, when
I try to restart it, I get "Error launching browser window:no XBL
binding". Could be a coincidence, of course. But I still think that
trying to make a noframes-incapable browser into a noframes-capable
browser by directly changing its internal variables is a risky
business: if they didn't make the setting part of the normal end user
interface, they probably didn't test it well.

(Followups trimmed.)

--
Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
Pages about Web authoring: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/www.html

[Alan J. Flavell]

Re: How to disable frames in a browser?

On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, Michael Black wrote:
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> Lynx is guaranteed to not do frames,[/color]

Let's be clear on this. Lynx gives access both to the no-frames
content and to the frames themselves.

It doesn't present the frames laid out *as* frames, but it sure gives
access to them. Which produces rather silly results if the author's
only idea of a no-frames text is something like "you can't view this
site without frames".
[color=blue]
> and surely if you make sure a sight works with that, you'll have a
> site that works with anything.[/color]

"I cited a site - oh, what a sight".

Random disexamples found by Google:

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/
FRAME: leftnav
FRAME: content

THIS SITE NEEDS FRAMES ENABLED BROWSERS TO BE VIEWED
odietamo.net
Internet and Multimedia solutions for businesses and individuals. A
range of skills for your needs: website design, multimedia,
photography, video, translations, tuitions plus useful links and
downloads.
\__

The "range of skills" seemingly doesn't include designing
for graceful fallback. Bleagh.

__
/
EIPA Home page



This site needs frames
\___

That one needs more than just frames! It looks as if the entire
substantive content of the frameset is written using Javascript.
Only the "meta" information, and the above rudeness, are actually
present in the HTML itself. Hopeless, pointless, and probably in
violation of mandatory accessibility legislation in one of more of the
EU member states to which the page is addressed.


[f'ups narrowed]

[Emmanuel Kaspryzk]

Re: How to disable frames in a browser?

Try Dillo



Dfenestr8 wrote:[color=blue]
> Hi. I'm designing a site, and I'm trying find a way of browsing it without
> using frames, so I can test the <noframes> </noframes> tags.
>
> I use a linux mandrake 10 system, with KDE 3.2.
>
> Is there a browser for linux that doesn't use frames? Or is it possible to
> configure either firefox or konqueror to not use frames?[/color]