HTML - CSS variable names correspondence.

**Lauri Raittila** · Jul 23 '05, 11:59 PM

Re: HTML - CSS variable names correspondence.

in comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html, opt_inf_env@yah oo.com wrote:[color=blue]
> Hello,
>
> It is strange to me that html and css use different names for variables
> which define the same properties.[/color]

No, it is not. CSS has lots more properties, andthey are usually
applicable to many elements, instead of one.

And variable is very wrong term...
[color=blue]
> For example if I whant to define text
> color from html document I write:
>
> <body text="#dddddd">
>
> And to define text color from css file I need to write:
>
> body {color: "#dddddd";}[/color]

That is because with CSS, you can set border to body {border-style:solid}
and then the color is inherited. So it doesn't mean just text color.
[color=blue]
> Do you know where I can find an html-css dictionary in Internet?[/color]

There is no such thing, it's like dictionary of C++ and English, makes
not much sence... (but might be fun)
[color=blue]
> Or at least, where I can find full list of css variable
> names?[/color]

Full property table

http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/propidx.html

[color=blue]
> For example I have in <body> tag bottomMargin="0 "[/color]

Notice that bottomMargin is not html...
margin-bottom:0;

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**David Dorward** · Jul 23 '05, 11:59 PM

Re: HTML - CSS variable names correspondence.

opt_inf_env@yah oo.com wrote:
[color=blue]
> It is strange to me that html and css use different names for variables
> which define the same properties. For example[/color]
[color=blue]
> <body text="#dddddd">
> body {color: "#dddddd";}[/color]

Or:

<font color="#dddddd" >
font { color: #dddddd; }

(There are no quotes around colours in CSS)

Overall, CSS is more consistant.
[color=blue]
> Or at least, where I can find full list of css variable
> names?[/color]

Full property table

http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/propidx.html

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**Michael Winter** · Jul 23 '05, 11:59 PM

Re: HTML - CSS variable names correspondence.

On 28/03/2005 17:14, opt_inf_env@yah oo.com wrote:
[color=blue]
> It is strange to me that html and css use different names for variables
> which define the same properties.[/color]

Why? CSS isn't only for use with HTML. It can be used by any
structured document. By the way, HTML has attributes, and CSS has
properties. Neither have variables. :)
[color=blue]
> For example if I whant to define text color from html document I write:
>
> <body text="#dddddd">
>
> And to define text color from css file I need to write:
>
> body {color: "#dddddd";}[/color]

Without the quotes in the CSS example.
[color=blue]
> In the first example one need to use "text" in the second example
> "color".[/color]

Yes, however the color property can affect more than just the text
within a document. Other features, such as borders, may also use this
value if they don't have their own explicitly set.
[color=blue]
> Do you know where I can find an html-css dictionary in Internet?[/color]

The HTML specification[1] itself usually provides CSS examples for
deprecated presentational elements and attributes.
[color=blue]
> Or at least, where I can find full list of css variable names?[/color]

The CSS specification[2] has a property index[3], just like the HTML
specification has an attribute and element index.

[snip]
[color=blue]
> body {bottomMargin: "0"}[/color]

Almost.

body {
margin-bottom: 0;
}

You can also specify all sides using the shorthand notation. It takes
all four sides in clockwise order: top, right, bottom, and left. If a
latter value is missing, it uses the value of its opposite side. For
example,

1) margin: 1ex;

All sides have a margin of 1ex.

2) margin: 0 3px;

The top and bottom sides have no margin, whilst the left and
right have a 3px margin.

3) margin: 0 3px 1em;

The top side has no margin, the bottom has a 1em margin, and the
left and right have a 3px margin.

Note that non-zero values must be accompanied by a unit. See section
4.3.2 - Lengths[4] for more information.

Hope that helps,
Mike

[1] <URL:http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/>
[2] <URL:http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/>
[3] <URL:http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/propidx.html>
[4] <URL:http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/syndata.html#le ngth-units>

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**Els** · Jul 23 '05, 11:59 PM

Re: HTML - CSS variable names correspondence.

David Dorward wrote:
[color=blue]
> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:48:18 +0100[/color]

I'm not sure, but could it be you haven't set the clock on your PC to
daylight saving time yet? In my newsreader your messages pop up with
an hour delay it seems.

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**Adrienne** · Jul 23 '05, 11:59 PM

Re: HTML - CSS variable names correspondence.

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed Els <els.aNOSPAM@ti scali.nl> writing
in news:3pbsceurni jw$.1xqk7wswqys qa.dlg@40tude.n et:
[color=blue]
> David Dorward wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:48:18 +0100[/color]
>
> I'm not sure, but could it be you haven't set the clock on your PC to
> daylight saving time yet? In my newsreader your messages pop up with
> an hour delay it seems.
>[/color]

It's still Standard Time, at least in the US. Daylight savings time starts
here on the first Sunday in April, April 3, 2005.

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**Els** · Jul 23 '05, 11:59 PM

Re: HTML - CSS variable names correspondence.

Adrienne wrote:
[color=blue]
> Gazing into my crystal ball I observed Els <els.aNOSPAM@ti scali.nl> writing
> in news:3pbsceurni jw$.1xqk7wswqys qa.dlg@40tude.n et:
>[color=green]
>> David Dorward wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:48:18 +0100[/color]
>>
>> I'm not sure, but could it be you haven't set the clock on your PC to
>> daylight saving time yet? In my newsreader your messages pop up with
>> an hour delay it seems.[/color]
>
> It's still Standard Time, at least in the US. Daylight savings time starts
> here on the first Sunday in April, April 3, 2005.[/color]

I know that, but I think David lives in the UK though.

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**Dan** · Jul 23 '05, 11:59 PM

Re: HTML - CSS variable names correspondence.

opt_inf_env@yah oo.com wrote:[color=blue]
> It is strange to me that html and css use different names for[/color]
variables[color=blue]
> which define the same properties.[/color]

Not really very strange; HTML and CSS are different languages. The
fact that they sometimes use different words for similar meanings is no
stranger than the fact that what is called "dog" in English is "perro"
in Spanish and "chien" in French.

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**Jan Roland Eriksson** · Jul 24 '05, 12:00 AM

Re: HTML - CSS variable names correspondence.

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:37:23 GMT, Adrienne <arbpen2003@sbc global.net>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>Gazing into my crystal ball I observed Els <els.aNOSPAM@ti scali.nl> writing
>in news:3pbsceurni jw$.1xqk7wswqys qa.dlg@40tude.n et:[/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> David Dorward wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:48:18 +0100[/color][/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> I'm not sure, but could it be you haven't set the clock on your PC to
>> daylight saving time yet? In my newsreader your messages pop up with
>> an hour delay it seems.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
>It's still Standard Time, at least in the US. Daylight savings time starts
>here on the first Sunday in April, April 3, 2005.[/color]

Not in the state of Indiana ;-)

US of A, the part of the world that works by coincidence...

"Hey guys I've heard that they have developed something called
standards? Does that have anything to do with us? Is it dangerous? I
mean, it sounds like communism to recommend everyone to follow the same
set of rules?"

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years of life. The people are just gorgeous, their system sucks, period)

**Nick Theodorakis** · Jul 24 '05, 12:00 AM

[OT] Re: HTML - CSS variable names correspondence.

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 02:24:05 +0200, Jan Roland Eriksson
<jrexon@newsguy .com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:37:23 GMT, Adrienne <arbpen2003@sbc global.net>
>wrote:[/color]

[...]
[color=blue][color=green]
>>It's still Standard Time, at least in the US. Daylight savings time starts
>>here on the first Sunday in April, April 3, 2005.[/color]
>
>Not in the state of Indiana ;-)
>[/color]

At least for most parts of Indiana. Whereas most of the state is in
the (US) Eastern time zone, the northwestern and southwestern
"corners" are in the Central time zone (I suppose the northwest has
the excuse of wanting to be in the same time zone as Chicago, IL,
which is across the border and which domaiteds that region). The
parts of Indiana that are in the Central time zone do in fact observe
Daylight savings time, whereas the Eastern time zone does not. To make
things complicated, there are also a few counties in the Eastern time
zone part of the state that do observe Daylight savings time.

<http://www.mccsc.edu/time.html>

ObCIWAH: there must be a lesson about standards somewhere in there.

Nick (now living in Indiana)

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**Jukka K. Korpela** · Jul 24 '05, 12:00 AM

Re: HTML - CSS variable names correspondence.

opt_inf_env@yah oo.com wrote:
[color=blue]
> Do you know where I can find an html-css dictionary in
> Internet?[/color]

Although good answers have been given to the questions, this one
remains unanswered. The correspondence between HTML and CSS, to the
extent that it exists, could not be a simple dictionary but would need
to be a mapping table that says things like
<body vlink="xxx">
corresponds to
:link { color: xxx; }

It's somewhat strange that nobody seems to have composed such a table.
The CSS specifications mention that browsers may map presentational
markup to CSS rules, but no specification says what that mapping would
be.

Some correspondences would be rather obvious. Some presentational HTML
markup (e.g., <ol start="0">) currently has no CSS counterpart. And
some presentational HTML markup could be replaced by CSS rules but
there is no definite mapping, since e.g. the meaning of <ul compact> is
defined in HTML specifications just as meaning more compact
presentation, which could mean almost anything (and doesn't mean
anything on most browsers).

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**Michael Winter** · Jul 24 '05, 12:00 AM

Re: HTML - CSS variable names correspondence.

On 29/03/2005 06:51, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:

[snip]
[color=blue]
> Some presentational HTML markup (e.g., <ol start="0">) currently
> has no CSS counterpart.[/color]

Wouldn't use of the marker and content properties, along with the
counter function, constitute a CSS counterpart? Granted, the last time
I played with these features, only Opera actually used them so they
couldn't be considered a replacement for the moment. Still, in
principle they do allow (complete) customisation of the numbering of
lists and other structures.

[snip]

Mike

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**C A Upsdell** · Jul 24 '05, 12:00 AM

Re: HTML - CSS variable names correspondence.

Michael Winter wrote:[color=blue]
> On 29/03/2005 06:51, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Some presentational HTML markup (e.g., <ol start="0">) currently
>> has no CSS counterpart.[/color]
>
> Wouldn't use of the marker and content properties, along with the
> counter function, constitute a CSS counterpart? Granted, the last time I
> played with these features, only Opera actually used them so they
> couldn't be considered a replacement for the moment. Still, in principle
> they do allow (complete) customisation of the numbering of lists and
> other structures.[/color]

The marker properties were dropped in CSS 2.1.

**Michael Winter** · Jul 24 '05, 12:00 AM

Re: HTML - CSS variable names correspondence.

On 29/03/2005 15:35, C A Upsdell > wrote:

[snip]
[color=blue]
> The marker properties were dropped in CSS 2.1.[/color]

Generated content wasn't. Still, that doesn't change the fact that IE
and Firefox, amongst others, don't support it.

Mike

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**David Dorward** · Jul 24 '05, 12:01 AM

Re: HTML - CSS variable names correspondence.

C A Upsdell wrote:[color=blue]
> The marker properties were dropped in CSS 2.1.[/color]

Since CSS 2.1 represents the current state of CSS. Its possible that they
will get back in, since it isn't a recommendation yet and I believe
Konqueror supports them now (that plus Opera make for two implementations ,
which is, IIRC, the requirement for something to survive into 2.1).

I'd also be surprised if markers didn't appear in CSS 3.

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