cannot type greek fonts to IE

[alexdoulou]

Hello,

I am trying to type greek fonts into common html forms on the Internet
explorer but erroneous text is being typed instead of clear greek.

Greek language pack is installed correctly.
Encoding for greek is OK.

What is the problem?

Thanks in advance for your answers,
Alex

[user@domain.invalid]

Re: cannot type greek fonts to IE

Once upon a time *alexdoulou* wrote:
[color=blue]
> Hello,
>
> I am trying to type greek fonts into common html forms on the Internet
> explorer but erroneous text is being typed instead of clear greek.
>
> Greek language pack is installed correctly.
> Encoding for greek is OK.
>
> What is the problem?
>
> Thanks in advance for your answers,
> Alex[/color]

The server don't support Greek fonts in forms?

--
/Arne

[Philip Ronan]

Re: cannot type greek fonts to IE

alexdoulou wrote:
[color=blue]
> Hello,
>
> I am trying to type greek fonts into common html forms on the Internet
> explorer but erroneous text is being typed instead of clear greek.
>
> Greek language pack is installed correctly.
> Encoding for greek is OK.
>
> What is the problem?
>
> Thanks in advance for your answers,
> Alex[/color]

I think the problem is Internet Explorer. I've had the same problem entering
Japanese text into forms. Here are 3 things you could try doing:

1. Use a different browser.

2. Go to your Internet Explorer settings, and turn off the option
called "Use stylesheets"

3. Create a css file containing this line:
INPUT, TEXTAREA { font-family: Athenian; }
(replace "Athenian" with the name of a Greek font on your system)
Save this file and tell Internet Explorer to use it as your default
stylesheet.

Phil

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(Please remove the "z"s if replying by email)

[Jukka K. Korpela]

Re: cannot type greek fonts to IE

alexdoulou@yaho o.gr (alexdoulou) wrote:
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> Hello,[/color]

Khaire!
[color=blue]
> I am trying to type greek fonts into common html forms on the Internet
> explorer but erroneous text is being typed instead of clear greek.[/color]

You don't type fonts. You type characters, which might or might not be
echoed on the screen using some font(s). The distinction between a
character and its visual appearance (a glyph from some font) is a
fundamental one, and it has been said that nobody can really understand
it without understanding Plato's concept of "idea". :-) But as a
simple (?) thought experiment, consider the possibility of filling out a
form with an interface where you enter the characters from keyboard or
Braille input device and the browser _speaks_ them to you; look, mo, no
fonts! :-)
[color=blue]
> Greek language pack is installed correctly.
> Encoding for greek is OK.[/color]

Maybe. But the first thing to check is the encoding of the page
containing the form. For this, a URL is needed. If the encoding is OK,
then the next question is _how_ you try to enter Greek characters.

--
Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
Pages about Web authoring: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/www.html

[Alan J. Flavell]

Re: cannot type greek fonts to IE

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, alexdoulou wrote:
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> I am trying to type greek fonts into common html forms on the Internet
> explorer but erroneous text is being typed instead of clear greek.[/color]

This (i18n forms input, not specifically Greek) is one of my
specialist subjects. But for any kind of useful diagnostics, we need
a URL that we can try out.
[color=blue]
> Greek language pack is installed correctly.
> Encoding for greek is OK.[/color]

(I don't know how you can be so sure. You could be right, but how
can we know, with the limited amount of detail you have presented
here? Your emphasis on "fonts" is, to say the least, rather worrying
in an HTML context. HTML doesn't really work like that.)
[color=blue]
> What is the problem?[/color]

The main problem, as I see it, is that you're not presenting the
actual patient to the doctor. What would you expect if you went to
the doctor and described your brother's symptoms? Surely the doctor
would want to examine your brother in person before reaching a
worthwhile conclusion, no? In the same way, we at least want to see a
URL where we can test whatever it is that you are trying.

If you want to get technical, you could take a look at

http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~flavell/charset/form-i18n.html

good luck

[Andreas Prilop]

Re: cannot type greek fonts to IE

On 14 Oct 2004, alexdoulou wrote:
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> I am trying to type greek fonts into common html forms[/color]

URL(s)?

How about
<http://www.google.com. gr/webhp?hl=el&oe= ISO-8859-7>
or other search engines listed at
<http://www.unics.uni-hannover.de/nhtcapri/greek.html#sear ch_engines>
?
[color=blue]
> on the Internet
> explorer but erroneous text is being typed instead of clear greek.[/color]

What is "erroneous text"?

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Top-posting.
What's the most irritating thing on Usenet?

[George Hester]

Re: cannot type greek fonts to IE


"Andreas Prilop" <nhtcapri@rrz n-user.uni-hannover.de> wrote in message news:Pine.GSO.4 .44.04101516011 30.8080-100000@s5b004.. .[color=blue]
> On 14 Oct 2004, alexdoulou wrote:
> [color=green]
> > I am trying to type greek fonts into common html forms[/color]
>
> URL(s)?
>
> How about
> <http://www.google.com. gr/webhp?hl=el&oe= ISO-8859-7>
> or other search engines listed at
> <http://www.unics.uni-hannover.de/nhtcapri/greek.html#sear ch_engines>
> ?
> [color=green]
> > on the Internet
> > explorer but erroneous text is being typed instead of clear greek.[/color]
>
> What is "erroneous text"?
>
> --
> Top-posting.
> What's the most irritating thing on Usenet?[/color]

Ummm...
Bottom-posting. Yuck.
I can't stand it. It serves no useful purpose and I already read the replied-to poster's response why do I need to
see it again? Yuck!!!

I do it because I'd rather not have to put up with the complaints. Not because it serves any useful purpose.
To me it's like "The World is Flat...Can't you tell? Now if you say it's Round one more time we are going to have to sic the mad dogs of Pakistan after you. So stop."
[color=blue]
> [/color]

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George Hester
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[Brian]

Re: cannot type greek fonts to IE

George Hester wrote:
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> Bottom-posting. Yuck. I can't stand it.[/color]

You're not just trolling, are you?
[color=blue]
> I do it because I'd rather not have to put up with the complaints.
> Not because it serves any useful purpose. To me it's like "The World
> is Flat...[/color]

Not by a long shot. "The world is flat" is a statement of fact that can
be demonstrated true or false by conducting experiments.

"Please do not top post" is a request to follow the conventions of a
forum. It has nothing to do with fact or fiction.

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Brian (remove "invalid" to email me)

[George Hester]

Re: cannot type greek fonts to IE


"Brian" <usenet3@juliet remblay.com.inv alid> wrote in message news:kWhcd.692$ OD2.54@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldn et.att.net...[color=blue]
> George Hester wrote:
> [color=green]
> > Bottom-posting. Yuck. I can't stand it.[/color]
>
> You're not just trolling, are you?
> [color=green]
> > I do it because I'd rather not have to put up with the complaints.
> > Not because it serves any useful purpose. To me it's like "The World
> > is Flat...[/color]
>
> Not by a long shot. "The world is flat" is a statement of fact that can
> be demonstrated true or false by conducting experiments.
>
> "Please do not top post" is a request to follow the conventions of a
> forum. It has nothing to do with fact or fiction.
>
> --
> Brian (remove "invalid" to email me)[/color]

Fact is it upsets people. Fact is I don't like it. Fact is trolling or not I was responding to his post. Fact is the world is Flat no matter what science says. Galileo "showed" mass didn't matter for the speed of free falling bodies in Earth's gravitational field. Fact is nobody cared. They knew bigger objects fell faster.

So facts have no bearing on this matter. What matters is someone or something decided that bottom posting was the way top go and all the little lemmings piled onto it and now if some of us don't want to jump off the cliff like everyone else we generate anger. Galileo experienced that.

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George Hester
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[Neal]

Re: cannot type greek fonts to IE

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 03:03:19 GMT, George Hester <hesterloli@hot mail.com>
wrote:
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> Fact is it upsets people. Fact is I don't like it. Fact is trolling or
> not I was responding to his post. Fact is the world is Flat no matter
> what science says. Galileo "showed" mass didn't matter for the speed of
> free falling bodies in Earth's gravitational field. Fact is nobody
> cared. They knew bigger objects fell faster.
>
> So facts have no bearing on this matter. What matters is someone or
> something decided that bottom posting was the way top go and all the
> little lemmings piled onto it and now if some of us don't want to jump
> off the cliff like everyone else we generate anger. Galileo experienced
> that.[/color]

Bottom posting with trimming excess quoted material is preferred because:

1) It puts the responses to statements in a readable, conversational order

2) It enables the user to read what came before so they can have context
for what the post is about. Remember, not all posts thread easily in
Usenet - we must leafe a trail or our posts won't be understood.

Certainly if we read from bottom to top as a rule, top-posting would make
sense. But get over the misconception that someone arbitrarily said one
day, "We're all going to post on the bottom." If you know anything about
Usenet, you know nothing happens that way here.

Bottom-posting and trimming are a convention because many people see a
value in it when discussing topics such as HTML. In the My Little Pony
newsgroup, it might not be as important, and you can go with whatever's
allowed.

But there's one fact you left off your list - fact is, we use bottom
posting here, and whining isn't going to change it.

[George Hester]

Re: cannot type greek fonts to IE

"Neal" <neal413@yahoo. com> wrote in message news:opsfz2gcp4 6v6656@news.ind ividual.net...[color=blue]
> On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 03:03:19 GMT, George Hester <hesterloli@hot mail.com>
> wrote:[/color]
[color=blue]
> Bottom posting with trimming excess quoted material is preferred because:
>
> 1) It puts the responses to statements in a readable, conversational order
>
> 2) It enables the user to read what came before so they can have context
> for what the post is about. Remember, not all posts thread easily in
> Usenet - we must leafe a trail or our posts won't be understood.
>
> Certainly if we read from bottom to top as a rule, top-posting would make
> sense. But get over the misconception that someone arbitrarily said one
> day, "We're all going to post on the bottom." If you know anything about
> Usenet, you know nothing happens that way here.
>
> Bottom-posting and trimming are a convention because many people see a
> value in it when discussing topics such as HTML. In the My Little Pony
> newsgroup, it might not be as important, and you can go with whatever's
> allowed.
>
> But there's one fact you left off your list - fact is, we use bottom
> posting here, and whining isn't going to change it.[/color]

Whining is what you hear. I hear disagreement with this convention. It's as simple as that. I only do it to keep those that demand it from going balistic. If there is some benefit to it your attempt to explain it was admirable. Trouble is we have moved into the Modern World. We are in the 21st Century you know. And what was beneficial in ancient times may no longer be. But of course that's whining so I'll bow out. Cu.

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George Hester
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[Kris]

Re: cannot type greek fonts to IE

In article <QQwcd.8401$JS4 .5748@twister.n yroc.rr.com>,
"George Hester" <hesterloli@hot mail.com> wrote:
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> Trouble is we have moved into the Modern World.[/color]

We? You mean, others build the world to what it is and you decided one
day to come along and conveniantly claim you participated in that.

--
Kris
<kristiaan@xs4a ll.netherlands> (nl)

[Brian]

Re: cannot type greek fonts to IE

George Hester wrote:[color=blue]
>[color=green]
>> George Hester wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Bottom-posting. Yuck. I can't stand it.[/color]
>>[/color]
>
> Fact is it upsets people.[/color]

You mean it upsets you. Poor thing.
[color=blue]
> Fact is the world is Flat no matter what science says.[/color]

Erm...
[color=blue]
> Galileo "showed" mass didn't matter for the speed of free falling
> bodies in Earth's gravitational field. Fact is nobody cared. They
> knew bigger objects fell faster.[/color]

Erm, well, no, they don't. That was sort of the point.
[color=blue]
> What matters is someone or something decided that bottom posting was
> the way top go and all the little lemmings piled onto it and now if
> some of us don't want to jump off the cliff like everyone else we
> generate anger. Galileo experienced that.[/color]

So, you're being persecuted like Galileo was? Have you been placed under
house arrest by the inline post police? That's simply terrible. Call
Amnesty International; maybe they'll take up your case.

--
Brian (remove "invalid" to email me)

[George Hester]

Re: cannot type greek fonts to IE

"Brian" <usenet3@juliet remblay.com.inv alid> wrote in message news:Zwycd.3286 $OD2.2679@bgtns c05-news.ops.worldn et.att.net...
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> >> George Hester wrote:[/color][/color]
>
> You mean it upsets you. Poor thing.
>
> [color=green]
> > Galileo "showed" mass didn't matter for the speed of free falling
> > bodies in Earth's gravitational field. Fact is nobody cared. They
> > knew bigger objects fell faster.[/color]
>
> Erm, well, no, they don't. That was sort of the point.
> [/color]
[color=blue]
>
> So, you're being persecuted like Galileo was? Have you been placed under
> house arrest by the inline post police? That's simply terrible. Call
> Amnesty International; maybe they'll take up your case.
>
> --
> Brian (remove "invalid" to email me)[/color]

maybe. The point is when users get it in their craw that doing something should be done and when it's not they get angry is similar to what happened to Galileo. If he had just went along with the people who made the rules he would have been a happy camper. He didn't generated anger and that's the end of it. It took a few more years before the people had to grudgingly accept the inevitable.

Notice how even discussing this issue brings out the snide remarks. What afinity you all must have with this practice. For those that find it irritating it's like oh you "poor thing."

George Hester
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[George Hester]

Re: cannot type greek fonts to IE

"Kris" <kristiaan@xs4a ll.netherlands> wrote in message news:kristiaan-BE5274.19465617 102004@news1.ne ws.xs4all.nl...[color=blue]
> In article <QQwcd.8401$JS4 .5748@twister.n yroc.rr.com>,
> "George Hester" <hesterloli@hot mail.com> wrote:
> [color=green]
> > Trouble is we have moved into the Modern World.[/color]
>
> We? You mean, others build the world to what it is and you decided one
> day to come along and conveniantly claim you participated in that.
>
> --
> Kris
> <kristiaan@xs4a ll.netherlands> (nl)[/color]

Did I? Hmph interesting. I don't like bottom posting and by virtue of that I made the electron microscope?
I have moved into the Modern World. And as far as I know my only contribution to that was being born.
Of course Top posters don't deserve to have been born. Understood but that's "The Way of The World."

--
George Hester
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