Question about CLC

[James Kuyper]

Re: Question about CLC

Serve La wrote:

>
"Richard Heathfield" <rjh@see.sig.in validschreef in bericht
news:BPOdnUwfnt 5YN-nanZ2dnUVZ8sDin Z2d@bt.com...

>>This is just like real life.

>>
>No, Mark, Usenet *is* (a small part of) real life. It doesn't take
>part in
>some alternate universe. It consists of real people's real communications
>with each other. As such, we should not be surprised that some people
>attempt to vandalise it.

....

it is not real life in the sense that when people talk to somebody in
person they tend to act a lot nicer
People dare say more behind a screen

Talking to people by usenet is just as real as talking to them in
person. It's a very different experience, just like driving a car is
very different from walking, but both experiences are equally real.

[Richard Heathfield]

Re: Question about CLC

Default User said:

<snip>

If the
neighborhood kids were limited to shouting at you, and you had a way to
turn down their volume so you couldn't hear, you probably would do so.
>
Yet people here seem extremely reluctant to do the equivalent. They
will engage the kooks and trolls in protracted debates, for no readily
discernable benefit. There's no way to convince the people like Jacob
of anything.

You make a persuasive case, Brian.

--
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Email: -http://www. +rjh@
Google users: <http://www.cpax.org.uk/prg/writings/googly.php>
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999

[user923005]

Re: Question about CLC

On Dec 28, 12:11 pm, Richard Heathfield <r...@see.sig.i nvalidwrote:

Default User said:
>
<snip>
>

If the
neighborhood kids were limited to shouting at you, and you had a way to
turn down their volume so you couldn't hear, you probably would do so.

>

Yet people here seem extremely reluctant to do the equivalent. They
will engage the kooks and trolls in protracted debates, for no readily
discernable benefit. There's no way to convince the people like Jacob
of anything.

>
You make a persuasive case, Brian.

There are people who don't learn at all (e.g. Nudds) because they
literally have no interest in learning.
There are people who learn very slowly but they do learn (ACL).

I am not sure about Jacob yet. I think he is intelligent and I think
he sometimes has interesting ideas.
I *do* think he is definitely deliberately thick when debating. But I
am not ready to ash-can him yet.
Of course, I have a longer killfile fuse than I used to.

[jacob navia]

Re: Question about CLC

Richard Heathfield wrote:

Default User said:
>
<snip>
>

>If the
>neighborhood kids were limited to shouting at you, and you had a way to
>turn down their volume so you couldn't hear, you probably would do so.
>>
>Yet people here seem extremely reluctant to do the equivalent. They
>will engage the kooks and trolls in protracted debates, for no readily
>discernable benefit. There's no way to convince the people like Jacob
>of anything.

>
You make a persuasive case, Brian.
>

I just do not understand why I got out of your kill file. It was such
a good time.


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logiciels/informatique

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[CBFalconer]

Re: Question about CLC

jaysome wrote:

gazelle@xmissio n.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) wrote:
>

.... snip ...

>

>But, I should point out, nutty yes, but downright hateful and
>smug, no. I have not seen anything approaching the level of
>hateful and smug in any other group, anywhere. They truly have
>it honed to a fine art here.

>
Kenny may have a point. Please don't kill him.
>
If for nothing else, he's ripe fodder for Psych 101 students.
>
I like Kenny, however "nutty" he may seem.

However, he remains off-topic. Maybe on rec.humor, say?

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[Richard Heathfield]

Re: Question about CLC

jacob navia said:

Richard Heathfield wrote:

>Default User said:
>>
><snip>
>>

>>If the
>>neighborhoo d kids were limited to shouting at you, and you had a way to
>>turn down their volume so you couldn't hear, you probably would do so.
>>>
>>Yet people here seem extremely reluctant to do the equivalent. They
>>will engage the kooks and trolls in protracted debates, for no readily
>>discernable benefit. There's no way to convince the people like Jacob
>>of anything.

>>
>You make a persuasive case, Brian.

>
I just do not understand why I got out of your kill file. It was such
a good time.

No, it was a bad time for you, whether you realise it or not, because it
meant that fewer of your mistakes were corrected, so you had fewer
opportunities to learn.

--
Richard Heathfield <http://www.cpax.org.uk >
Email: -http://www. +rjh@
Google users: <http://www.cpax.org.uk/prg/writings/googly.php>
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999

[Kenny McCormack]

Re: Question about CLC

In article <ufKdnf-ncKvuHOjanZ2dnU VZ8qrinZ2d@bt.c om>,
Richard Heathfield <rjh@see.sig.in validwrote:
....

>No, it was a bad time for you, whether you realise it or not, because it
>meant that fewer of your mistakes were corrected, so you had fewer
>opportunitie s to learn.

Get, friggin', over yourself, already!

P.S. What I really find amusing is how these guys steadfastly refuse to
respond to any of my posts (it's part of their religion, doncha know?),
but can't resist the urge to respond to Jacob. I can't imagine it does
anyone any more good to launch this crap at Jacob, than it would to
launch it at me...

[ymuntyan@gmail.com]

Re: Question about CLC

On Dec 28, 5:09 pm, gaze...@xmissio n.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack)
wrote:

In article <ufKdnf-ncKvuHOjanZ2dnU VZ8qrin...@bt.c om>,
Richard Heathfield <r...@see.sig.i nvalidwrote:
...
>

No, it was a bad time for you, whether you realise it or not, because it
meant that fewer of your mistakes were corrected, so you had fewer
opportunities to learn.

>
Get, friggin', over yourself, already!
>
P.S. What I really find amusing is how these guys steadfastly refuse to
respond to any of my posts (it's part of their religion, doncha know?),
but can't resist the urge to respond to Jacob. I can't imagine it does
anyone any more good to launch this crap at Jacob, than it would to
launch it at me...

See, Jacob is just a notorious spammer (I forgot
other things, this one is the latest I saw), which,
despite his inability to learn, should be taught.
But nobody won't talk to a troll. You admitted you
are a troll, so now nobody (of self-respecting
people, that is) can talk to you, because OMGZ
you are a troll.

[Kenny McCormack]

Re: Question about CLC

In article <efddef12-8ca5-4a3f-a113-e5733371e26c@w5 6g2000hsf.googl egroups.com>,
<ymuntyan@gmail .comwrote:
....

>See, Jacob is just a notorious spammer (I forgot
>other things, this one is the latest I saw), which,
>despite his inability to learn, should be taught.

6 of one, half dozen of another. Jacob is not going to "change his
ways" here as a result of crap spewed at him by the likes of heathfield,
et al - anymore than I am. Of this, I am absolutely sure.

>But nobody won't talk to a troll. You admitted you
>are a troll, so now nobody (of self-respecting
>people, that is) can talk to you, because OMGZ
>you are a troll.

You're a contrarian, too - they don't like you anymore than they like
me, so I'm not sure whose ass you're trying to kiss.

P.S. OMGZ???

[jacob navia]

Re: Question about CLC

Kenny McCormack wrote:

In article <ufKdnf-ncKvuHOjanZ2dnU VZ8qrinZ2d@bt.c om>,
Richard Heathfield <rjh@see.sig.in validwrote:
...

>No, it was a bad time for you, whether you realise it or not, because it
>meant that fewer of your mistakes were corrected, so you had fewer
>opportunitie s to learn.

>
Get, friggin', over yourself, already!
>
P.S. What I really find amusing is how these guys steadfastly refuse to
respond to any of my posts (it's part of their religion, doncha know?),
but can't resist the urge to respond to Jacob. I can't imagine it does
anyone any more good to launch this crap at Jacob, than it would to
launch it at me...
>

:-)


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logiciels/informatique

http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~lcc-win32

[Mark McIntyre]

Re: Question about CLC

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 07:53:30 +0000, Richard Heathfield wrote:

Mark McIntyre said:

>On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:52:52 +0000, Masood wrote:

>

>This is just like real life.

>
No, Mark, Usenet *is* (a small part of) real life.
It doesn't take part in some alternate universe.

I quite agree - that was essentially my point.

[CBFalconer]

Re: Question about CLC

ymuntyan@gmail. com wrote:

gaze...@xmissio n.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) wrote:
>

.... snip ...

>

>P.S. What I really find amusing is how these guys steadfastly
>refuse to respond to any of my posts (it's part of their religion,
>doncha know?), but can't resist the urge to respond to Jacob. I
>can't imagine it does anyone any more good to launch this crap at
>Jacob, than it would to launch it at me...

>
See, Jacob is just a notorious spammer (I forgot other things,
this one is the latest I saw), which, despite his inability to
learn, should be taught. But nobody won't talk to a troll. You
admitted you are a troll, so now nobody (of self-respecting
people, that is) can talk to you, because OMGZ you are a troll.

Reaching Kenny through the quote. He doesn't seem to realize that
he is almost universally plonked, so his junk doesn't annoy
anyone. No religion involved. However, we still see the glimmer
of hope in Jacob, so some of us try to improve him.

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[ymuntyan@gmail.com]

Re: Question about CLC

On Dec 28, 5:49 pm, gaze...@xmissio n.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack)
wrote:

In article <efddef12-8ca5-4a3f-a113-e5733371e...@w5 6g2000hsf.googl egroups.com>, <ymunt...@gmail .comwrote:
>
...
>

See, Jacob is just a notorious spammer (I forgot
other things, this one is the latest I saw), which,
despite his inability to learn, should be taught.

>
6 of one, half dozen of another. Jacob is not going to "change his
ways" here as a result of crap spewed at him by the likes of heathfield,
et al - anymore than I am. Of this, I am absolutely sure.

I thought what I said was obvious crap, but
apparently I somehow caught the style of
Richard Heathfield, so it sounded well and
good or something. Amazing!

>

But nobody won't talk to a troll. You admitted you
are a troll, so now nobody (of self-respecting
people, that is) can talk to you, because OMGZ
you are a troll.

>
You're a contrarian, too - they don't like you anymore than they like
me, so I'm not sure whose ass you're trying to kiss.

Thank you very much, I'll do fine without
ass-kissing for now.

[Default User]

Re: Question about CLC

user923005 wrote:

On Dec 28, 12:11 pm, Richard Heathfield <r...@see.sig.i nvalidwrote:

Default User said:

<snip>

If the
neighborhood kids were limited to shouting at you, and you had a
way to turn down their volume so you couldn't hear, you probably
would do so.

Yet people here seem extremely reluctant to do the equivalent.
They will engage the kooks and trolls in protracted debates, for
no readily discernable benefit. There's no way to convince the
people like Jacob of anything.

You make a persuasive case, Brian.

>
There are people who don't learn at all (e.g. Nudds) because they
literally have no interest in learning.
There are people who learn very slowly but they do learn (ACL).
>
I am not sure about Jacob yet. I think he is intelligent and I think
he sometimes has interesting ideas.

After this much time, and this many arguments, I've seen zero evidence
that he's willing to abide by the consensus regarding topicality.
Again, look at the recent threads, look at the number of posts from
Jacob. No sign of a clue from what I can tell. I do have him killfiled,
but it's almost like I don't.

I could (and I thought about) installing a filter to kill any post in
reply to him. However, that doesn't help the group at large.




Brian

[Keith Thompson]

Re: Question about CLC

CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yah oo.comwrites:
[...]

Reaching Kenny through the quote. He doesn't seem to realize that
he is almost universally plonked, so his junk doesn't annoy
anyone. No religion involved. However, we still see the glimmer
of hope in Jacob, so some of us try to improve him.

Also, Kenny usually doesn't make many technical errors that call for
correction. jacob does. (So do I, of course; nobody is perfect.)

Unfortunately, Kenny has recently started posting more technical
statements, many of them wrong.

--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keit h) <kst-u@mib.org>
[...]
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"