Question about CLC

[Serve La]

Re: Question about CLC


"Kenny McCormack" <gazelle@xmissi on.xmission.com schreef in bericht
news:fl0pfu$s58 $1@news.xmissio n.com...

But I think the main reason the newsgroup continues is because of the
core of regulars and contrarians (*), who never seem to tire of sniping at
each other. Face it, it *is* fun.
>

I admit, if this group was purely trying to be academic about C all the time
I would have stopped lurking here a long time ago. The combination of very
good information about C and the occasional flame make it worth reading here
:)

[CBFalconer]

Re: Question about CLC

Ben Pfaff wrote:

Antoninus Twink <nospam@nospam. invalidwrites:
>

>All of the problems in this group stem from one very forceful
>personality who imposes his will on the group - Richard
>HeathField.

>
Who controls the British crown?
Who keeps the metric system down?
Heathfield! Heathfield!
>
Who leaves Atlantis off the maps?
Who keeps the Martians under wraps?
Heathfield! Heathfield!
>
Who holds back the electric car?
Who makes Jacob Navia a star?
Heathfield! Heathfield!
>
Who robs cavefish of their sight?
Who rigs every Oscar night?
Heathfield! Heathfield!

For Masoods benefit, the above illustrates why Twink is considered
a troll, but not why the Pfaffian humour is perfectly acceptable.
It has to do with the other posts by both individuals.

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[Philip Potter]

Re: Question about CLC

Ben Pfaff wrote:

Antoninus Twink <nospam@nospam. invalidwrites:
>

>All of the problems in this group stem from one very forceful
>personality who imposes his will on the group - Richard
>HeathField.

>
Who controls the British crown?
Who keeps the metric system down?
Heathfield! Heathfield!
>
Who leaves Atlantis off the maps?
Who keeps the Martians under wraps?
Heathfield! Heathfield!
>
Who holds back the electric car?
Who makes Jacob Navia a star?
Heathfield! Heathfield!
>
Who robs cavefish of their sight?
Who rigs every Oscar night?
Heathfield! Heathfield!

Hahaha! Brilliant!

And don't you mean "HeathField "? :-)

[Kaz Kylheku]

Re: Question about CLC

On Dec 27, 2:52 am, Masood <masood.iq...@n ospam.comwrote:

Hi all,
>
I've been reading this group new for a few weeks and it's quite
intriguing the way it's so dysfunctional as a "society".

Ah, you're that lame asshole who started that ``making C better by
borrowing from C++'' thread.

Now you're sulking for being flamed.

Waaah!

[Mark McIntyre]

Re: Question about CLC

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:52:52 +0000, Masood wrote:

I've been reading this group new for a few weeks and it's quite
intriguing the way it's so dysfunctional as a "society".

Either you're talking about some other CLC, or you have a strange
definition of dysfunctional.

this endemic anger and hate that CLC does.

CLC doesn't have any endemic anger or hate.

What we do have is a few trolls who are a bit like the annoying kid on
the block who is always tipping over your trash, throwing stones at your
dog etc. Some of us ignore these dorks, others get upset, some get
sarcastic.

This is just like real life.

[Mark McIntyre]

Re: Question about CLC

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:33:55 +0100, jacob navia wrote:

Richard Heathfield wrote:

>>
>You over-estimate the impact of a small handful of noisy kooks. The
>group fulfils its function admirably.
>>
>>

At last a good answer. I hope you will stop making so much noise then,
and amend your ways.

And what purpose did this sarcastic and rude remark serve, beyond
stirring up the kind of noise you claim to be objecting to?

Every kook can (and should) be able to act normally
again.
>
P.S. This applies of course to the other kooks here.

Physician, heal thyself.

[Andy]

Re: Question about CLC

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 09:38:33 -0800, Ben Pfaff <blp@cs.stanfor d.edu>
wrote:

>Antoninus Twink <nospam@nospam. invalidwrites:
>

>All of the problems in this group stem from one very forceful
>personality who imposes his will on the group - Richard
>HeathField.

>
>Who controls the British crown?
>Who keeps the metric system down?
>Heathfield! Heathfield!
>
>Who leaves Atlantis off the maps?
>Who keeps the Martians under wraps?
>Heathfield! Heathfield!
>
>Who holds back the electric car?
>Who makes Jacob Navia a star?
>Heathfield! Heathfield!
>
>Who robs cavefish of their sight?
>Who rigs every Oscar night?
>Heathfield! Heathfield!
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Re: Question about CLC

Masood wrote:

Hi all,
>
I've been reading this group new for a few weeks and it's quite
intriguing the way it's so dysfunctional as a "society". Actually I was
telling my brother about it - he's a sociology major and is now
interested in looking at this group for his project.
>
I've read several Usenet groups and lots of forums over the years, and
while of course some of them have trolls, feuds, etc., none seem to have
this endemic anger and hate that CLC does. Can anyone suggest other
newsgroups with similar characteristics for comparison purposes?
>
It's quite interesting, because standard theory suggests you need about
100 to 150 people in a group before it needs rules, hierarchy, authority
etc. to function effectively, whereas in CLC there only seem to be 20-30
regulars and yet it's suffering badly under the strain of people
virtually living together.
>
I don't dare ask people why they think this group is so acrimonious, for
fear of starting yet another bitter flame war!
>
Best.

If your brother really wants to investigate this I suggest:

http://golden-quotes.narod.ru/

Following what happens when this person enters a group is well legendary.

As to the question you don't dare ask, the actual answer is assumption.

[Default User]

Re: Question about CLC

Richard Heathfield wrote:

Masood said:
>

Hi all,

I've been reading this group new for a few weeks and it's quite
intriguing the way it's so dysfunctional as a "society".

>
You're begging the question. In fact, it works pretty well. Yes, it
has its kooks, but so does any society.

It's apparent to me that my first instinct to plonk Masgood after the
"taleban" comment was the correct one.




Brian

[Default User]

Re: Question about CLC

Ben Pfaff wrote:

Antoninus Twink <nospam@nospam. invalidwrites:
>

All of the problems in this group stem from one very forceful
personality who imposes his will on the group - Richard
HeathField.

>
Who controls the British crown?
Who keeps the metric system down?
Heathfield! Heathfield!

You're angling for the Stone of Shame.




Brian

[Richard Heathfield]

Re: Question about CLC

Mark McIntyre said:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:52:52 +0000, Masood wrote:

<snip>

>this endemic anger and hate that CLC does.

>
CLC doesn't have any endemic anger or hate.
>
What we do have is a few trolls who are a bit like the annoying kid on
the block who is always tipping over your trash, throwing stones at your
dog etc. Some of us ignore these dorks, others get upset, some get
sarcastic.
>
This is just like real life.

No, Mark, Usenet *is* (a small part of) real life. It doesn't take part in
some alternate universe. It consists of real people's real communications
with each other. As such, we should not be surprised that some people
attempt to vandalise it.

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[Richard Heathfield]

Re: Question about CLC

Mark McIntyre said:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:33:55 +0100, jacob navia wrote:
>

>Richard Heathfield wrote:

>>>
>>You over-estimate the impact of a small handful of noisy kooks. The
>>group fulfils its function admirably.
>>>

>At last a good answer. I hope you will stop making so much noise then,
>and amend your ways.

>
And what purpose did this sarcastic and rude remark serve, beyond
stirring up the kind of noise you claim to be objecting to?

It demonstrated the truth of my reply (in a way its author did not intend).

--
Richard Heathfield <http://www.cpax.org.uk >
Email: -http://www. +rjh@
Google users: <http://www.cpax.org.uk/prg/writings/googly.php>
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[jaysome]

Re: Question about CLC

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 19:54:44 +0000 (UTC),
gazelle@xmissio n.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) wrote:

>In article <fl0069$jgl$2@a ioe.org>, Masood <masood.iqbal@n ospam.comwrote:

>>Hi all,
>>
>>I've been reading this group new for a few weeks and it's quite
>>intriguing the way it's so dysfunctional as a "society". Actually I was
>>telling my brother about it - he's a sociology major and is now
>>interested in looking at this group for his project.
>>
>>I've read several Usenet groups and lots of forums over the years, and
>>while of course some of them have trolls, feuds, etc., none seem to have
>>this endemic anger and hate that CLC does. Can anyone suggest other
>>newsgroups with similar characteristics for comparison purposes?
>>
>>It's quite interesting, because standard theory suggests you need about
>>100 to 150 people in a group before it needs rules, hierarchy, authority
>>etc. to function effectively, whereas in CLC there only seem to be 20-30
>>regulars and yet it's suffering badly under the strain of people
>>virtually living together.
>>
>>I don't dare ask people why they think this group is so acrimonious, for
>>fear of starting yet another bitter flame war!
>>
>>Best.

>
>Excellent post. Of course, all the regs are going to spend all their
>time (as I see they've already done) trying to assure you that you are
>wrong and that 2+2 does not, in fact, equal 4. I believe the following
>quote is appropriate here:
>
Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving there is
no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
- John Kenneth Galbraith -
>
>You might want to read my recent post on True Democracy vs.
>Representation al Democracy - I make a point similar to yours, that it is
>strange that such a small group would need and have implemented the
>trappings of RD. This generally happens when authoritarians get into
>power. (For further reading on the subject of authoritarians, see John
>Dean's excellent book "Conservati ves Without Conscience")
>
>As far as the actual question raised in your post (And I noted and
>applaud your statement that you are not asking them to explain why it is
>so - though of course, everyone interpreted the post that way. Asking
>them why would be like asking the Bush Admin why they screwed up in
>Iraq...), I think that CLC *is* unique (at least in the "real Usenet" -
>even moreso in specifically the comp.* hierarchy), but you won't have to
>look far in, e.g. (and as has been mentioned by some of the other
>posters who did respond to your actual query - instead of "getting busy
>on the proof") the talk.* or alt.* hierarchies, to find people as nutty
>or moreso than here.
>
>But, I should point out, nutty yes, but downright hateful and smug, no.
>I have not seen anything approaching the level of hateful and smug in
>any other group, anywhere. They truly have it honed to a fine art here.

Kenny may have a point.

Please don't kill him.

If for nothing else, he's ripe fodder for Psych 101 students.

I like Kenny, however "nutty" he may seem.
--
jay

[Chris Hills]

Re: Question about CLC

In article <deuc45-t77.ln1@news.in dividual.net>, Richard
<rgrdev@gmail.c omwrites

>
>I see lots of anger and hate too. And so do many, many people. It's why
>this group gets so few new posters and "regulars" - they move off to
>less anal pastures where people are there to help and not to prance.

This is why any vote on where we go next is doomed to failure.... so
many have come and gone. Most of the new blood goes to other more
friendly groups.

C.l.c was the place for authoritative answers and discussions on C now
it is one of many. Eventually it will die out.

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[Serve La]

Re: Question about CLC


"Richard Heathfield" <rjh@see.sig.in validschreef in bericht
news:BPOdnUwfnt 5YN-nanZ2dnUVZ8sDin Z2d@bt.com...

>This is just like real life.

>
No, Mark, Usenet *is* (a small part of) real life. It doesn't take part in
some alternate universe. It consists of real people's real communications
with each other. As such, we should not be surprised that some people
attempt to vandalise it.
>

it is not real life in the sense that when people talk to somebody in person
they tend to act a lot nicer
People dare say more behind a screen