Struggling Comp Sci Student

[Christopher Benson-Manica]

Re: Struggling Comp Sci Student

lilburne <lilburne@godzi lla.net> spoke thus:
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> Once had a 2nd year comp sci student ask "What's a dot aich
> file?" 6 months into the course. Seems a group of them had a
> tame final year student, who was banging out the assignments.[/color]

Um, yikes? Although it was quite awhile after my first C course before I
really figured out what make was all about. Of course, that might have been
because they just gave us hugely complex makefiles and never told us how to
use them...

--
Christopher Benson-Manica | I *should* know what I'm talking about - if I
ataru(at)cybers pace.org | don't, I need to know. Flames welcome.

[WW]

Re: Struggling Comp Sci Student

David B. Held wrote:[color=blue]
> "WW" <wolof@freemail .hu> wrote in message
> news:bmmb8q$2mi $1@phys-news1.kolumbus. fi...[color=green]
>> David B. Held wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> [...]
>>> Because of my loyalty to the newsgroup fuhrer. Heil
>>> Fehrer! Death to noobs! Ok, just kidding.[/color]
>>
>> Feher. And having a grandmother who was Jewish (well,
>> she was catholic on paper but then again she said Oh
>> Yisrael and not Oh Jesus, which is a strong hint) I take this
>> bullshit of yours as a serious offense. And not a joke.[/color]
>
> So in order to be offended, you have to rely on speculative
> ancestry?[/color]

No. That only adds to my disqust. Now apologize or shut up. You have
crossed the line. No big mouthed bullshit talk will take you out of this.

--
WW aka Attila

[jeffc]

Re: Struggling Comp Sci Student


"David B. Held" <dheld@codelogi cconsulting.com > wrote in message
news:bmmtk6$94r $1@news.astound .net...[color=blue]
> You mean it's time for you to censor me.[/color]

It would be better if you would filter him. I did, and life is more
pleasant now.
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> > Calling someone a nazi is *not* a joke, in any way.[/color][/color]

Actually, by convention when it has a lower case 'n', it *is* used as a
joke. Seinfeld's soup nazi, anyone?

[lilburne]

Re: Struggling Comp Sci Student

Christopher Benson-Manica wrote:
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> lilburne <lilburne@godzi lla.net> spoke thus:
>
>[color=green]
>>Once had a 2nd year comp sci student ask "What's a dot aich
>>file?" 6 months into the course. Seems a group of them had a
>>tame final year student, who was banging out the assignments.[/color]
>
>
> Um, yikes? Although it was quite awhile after my first C course before I
> really figured out what make was all about. Of course, that might have been
> because they just gave us hugely complex makefiles and never told us how to
> use them...
>[/color]

You can get a comp sci degree by drawing ER diagrams
(probably UML nowadays). You only need rudimentary
programming knowledge if at all.

[Mike Wahler]

Re: Struggling Comp Sci Student

"Christophe r Benson-Manica" <ataru@nospam.c yberspace.org> wrote in message
news:bmmvev$jbn $2@chessie.cirr .com...[color=blue]
> lilburne <lilburne@godzi lla.net> spoke thus:
>[color=green]
> > Once had a 2nd year comp sci student ask "What's a dot aich
> > file?" 6 months into the course. Seems a group of them had a
> > tame final year student, who was banging out the assignments.[/color]
>
> Um, yikes? Although it was quite awhile after my first C course before I
> really figured out what make was all about. Of course, that might have[/color]
been[color=blue]
> because they just gave us hugely complex makefiles and never told us how[/color]
to[color=blue]
> use them...[/color]

'make' utilites are not part of C, although often used
as development tools with projects containing C programs.

'make' utilites need not be used with programming at all.
They simply implement 'rule based' batch processing.
I sometimes use them for things besides building programs.

I frequently see this failure to distinguish concepts by
CS students (and graduates!). Sigh.

-Mike

[Christopher Benson-Manica]

Re: Struggling Comp Sci Student

Mike Wahler <mkwahler@mkwah ler.net> spoke thus:
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> 'make' utilites are not part of C, although often used
> as development tools with projects containing C programs.[/color]
[color=blue]
> 'make' utilites need not be used with programming at all.
> They simply implement 'rule based' batch processing.
> I sometimes use them for things besides building programs.[/color]
[color=blue]
> I frequently see this failure to distinguish concepts by
> CS students (and graduates!). Sigh.[/color]

Believe me, I do know that C and C++ are not directly linked with make. I
just made the comment because make "makes" life much simpler for writing
projects of a reasonable size. (Was that a bad pun or what??). make is a
tool that programmers should know how to use (IMHO), but we didn't really
learn it. Believe me, I'm not trying to give you ulcers ;)

--
Christopher Benson-Manica | I *should* know what I'm talking about - if I
ataru(at)cybers pace.org | don't, I need to know. Flames welcome.

[jeffc]

Re: Struggling Comp Sci Student


"Mike Wahler" <mkwahler@mkwah ler.net> wrote in message
news:fGEjb.3184 $7a4.98@newsrea d4.news.pas.ear thlink.net...[color=blue]
> "Christophe r Benson-Manica" <ataru@nospam.c yberspace.org> wrote in message
> news:bmmvev$jbn $2@chessie.cirr .com...[color=green]
> > lilburne <lilburne@godzi lla.net> spoke thus:
> >[color=darkred]
> > > Once had a 2nd year comp sci student ask "What's a dot aich
> > > file?" 6 months into the course. Seems a group of them had a
> > > tame final year student, who was banging out the assignments.[/color]
> >
> > Um, yikes? Although it was quite awhile after my first C course before[/color][/color]
I[color=blue][color=green]
> > really figured out what make was all about. Of course, that might have[/color]
> been[color=green]
> > because they just gave us hugely complex makefiles and never told us how[/color]
> to[color=green]
> > use them...[/color]
>
> 'make' utilites are not part of C, although often used
> as development tools with projects containing C programs.
>
> 'make' utilites need not be used with programming at all.
> They simply implement 'rule based' batch processing.
> I sometimes use them for things besides building programs.
>
> I frequently see this failure to distinguish concepts by
> CS students (and graduates!). Sigh.[/color]

He didn't fail to distinguish <sigh>. make files are no more a "part of C"
than "dot aich files" are.

[David B. Held]

Re: Struggling Comp Sci Student

"sam" <sam@cvisiontec h.com> wrote in message
news:wdDjb.7571 4$nU6.13803535@ twister.nyc.rr. com...[color=blue]
>
> "David B. Held" <dheld@codelogi cconsulting.com > wrote in message
> news:bmmtk6$94r $1@news.astound .net...
>[color=green]
> > been a Jew also, and so I should be equally offended! Isn't
> > it time for Jews to stop complaining about something that
> > didn't even happen to them personally?[/color]
>
> so you mean i shouldn't take half of my grandmother's family
> being wiped out personally ?[/color]

That's not what I said. You should take the *event* personally.
But relating every word uttered by every person as a statement
justifying that event is unreasonable.
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> > Isn't it enough that
> > you got a special word out of it, and a state?[/color]
>
> wow , a word !!!! that really makes it all worth it...[/color]

You get a word, with an entry in the dictionary for an event
that happened to your ancestors, and that isn't enough?
Here's the entry from dictionary.com, which in this case is
channeling The American Heritage Dictionary:

1. Great destruction resulting in the extensive loss
of life, especially by fire.

2.
a. Holocaust The genocide of European Jews and
others by the Nazis during World War II: “Israel
emerged from the Holocaust and is defined in relation
to that catastrophe” (Emanuel Litvinoff).

b. A massive slaughter: “an important document in
the so-far sketchy annals of the Cambodian
holocaust” (Rod Nordland).

3. A sacrificial offering that is consumed entirely by flames.

Note that the millions of Gentiles killed at or around the
same time get reduced to "others". Was their sacrifice
any less? Isn't it enough that your ancestors get singled
out for attention here? My point is that Slavs and Poles
and all the rest killed during WWII don't assume that
every reference to nazis justifies the Holocaust or any
other atrocity in history. And they lost just as many if not
more family members as any Jew.
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> and a state ? what kind of a state is it when terrorists are
> blowing people up all the time ???[/color]

It's more of a state than the Palestinians have, for one. Are
you grateful for nothing?? But that's getting afar field. The
point is, I was not trying to make light of any atrocity in history,
nor to accuse someone of being a genocidal maniac. I was
merely equating Atilla with tyrrany, and I suspect I'm not the
only person who feels that way. His latest actions merely
reinforce that opinion.

Dave



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