Struggling Comp Sci Student

**Mike Wahler** · Jul 19 '05, 07:14 PM

Re: Struggling Comp Sci Student

"Stan" <stans_52@netze ro.net> wrote in message
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> Hey everyone, I've got a computer science class and we're working on
> C++. I am struggling with nested loops and have a really simple
> assignment, but I can't get it to run the loop. I need to run a loop
> that has someone guess at a number 5 times and if they get 45, it
> tells them how many guesses they needed. It also has to tell them if
> they leave the range of guesses from 0 to 100.
>
> I need help.
>
> Can somebody help me please!!![/color]

Sure, show us your code, we're happy to help.
We'll also need a bit more specific description of
the assignment than what you've written above.

-Mike

**David B. Held** · Jul 19 '05, 07:14 PM

Re: Struggling Comp Sci Student

"Stan" <stans_52@netze ro.net> wrote in message
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> Hey everyone, I've got a computer science class and we're
> working on C++.
> [...][/color]

I believe there is a .students (or something similar) newsgroup
for C++ which might be more helpful.

Dave

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**Mike Wahler** · Jul 19 '05, 07:14 PM

Re: Struggling Comp Sci Student

"David B. Held" <dheld@codelogi cconsulting.com > wrote in message
news:bmiqkf$9p2 $1@news.astound .net...[color=blue]
> "Stan" <stans_52@netze ro.net> wrote in message
> news:82ad86b.03 10142111.66b7db eb@posting.goog le.com...[color=green]
> > Hey everyone, I've got a computer science class and we're
> > working on C++.
> > [...][/color]
>
> I believe there is a .students (or something similar) newsgroup
> for C++ which might be more helpful.[/color]

I've never heard of .students groups, but I suppose
there could be some.

However, many here (including myself) will be happy
to help this person. Looks like you're chasing him
away. How come?

-Mike

**David White** · Jul 19 '05, 07:14 PM

Re: Struggling Comp Sci Student

"David B. Held" <dheld@codelogi cconsulting.com > wrote in message
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> "Stan" <stans_52@netze ro.net> wrote in message
> news:82ad86b.03 10142111.66b7db eb@posting.goog le.com...[color=green]
> > Hey everyone, I've got a computer science class and we're
> > working on C++.
> > [...][/color]
>
> I believe there is a .students (or something similar) newsgroup
> for C++ which might be more helpful.[/color]

Maybe you are thinking of alt.comp.lang.l earn.c-c++, but I doubt it would be
more helpful. Beginners are welcome here too.

DW

**osmium** · Jul 19 '05, 07:14 PM

Re: Struggling Comp Sci Student

Stan writes:
[color=blue]
> Hey everyone, I've got a computer science class and we're working on
> C++. I am struggling with nested loops and have a really simple
> assignment, but I can't get it to run the loop. I need to run a loop
> that has someone guess at a number 5 times and if they get 45, it
> tells them how many guesses they needed. It also has to tell them if
> they leave the range of guesses from 0 to 100.[/color]

Something along these lines:

int guesses = 0;
while(guesses < 100)
{
/*your code*/
guesses = guesses + 1; // can be obfuscated
}

The detection of guesses that are out of range should be handled in the
block I call "your code". The message telling the user the number of
guesses he used is left to you.

**David B. Held** · Jul 19 '05, 07:15 PM

Re: Struggling Comp Sci Student

"Mike Wahler" <mkwahler@mkwah ler.net> wrote in message
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> [...]
> However, many here (including myself) will be happy
> to help this person. Looks like you're chasing him
> away. How come?[/color]

Because of my loyalty to the newsgroup fuhrer. Heil Fehrer!
Death to noobs! Ok, just kidding. It seems that Attila has
been fairly moderate lately, so now I look like the Newsgroup
Gestapo. Interesting turn of events. I don't object to anyone
who wants to help him. However, if there is an even more
topical newsgroup, I don't see how it is "chasing him away"
to refer to it.

Dave

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**David B. Held** · Jul 19 '05, 07:15 PM

Re: Struggling Comp Sci Student

"David White" <no.email@provi ded> wrote in message
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> [...]
> Maybe you are thinking of alt.comp.lang.l earn.c-c++,[/color]

Ah, yes, thank you. I was probably thinking of a Borland
newsgroup.
[color=blue]
> but I doubt it could be more helpful.[/color]

You would probably know better than I.
[color=blue]
> Beginners are welcome here too.[/color]

Good, because it's not always obvious who are beginners
here to begin with. ;)

Dave

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**jeffc** · Jul 19 '05, 07:15 PM

Re: Struggling Comp Sci Student

"David B. Held" <dheld@codelogi cconsulting.com > wrote in message
news:bmk3ma$fha $1@news.astound .net...[color=blue]
> "Mike Wahler" <mkwahler@mkwah ler.net> wrote in message
> news:Gq6jb.1913 $s93.1091@newsr ead3.news.pas.e arthlink.net...[color=green]
> > [...]
> > However, many here (including myself) will be happy
> > to help this person. Looks like you're chasing him
> > away. How come?[/color]
>
> Because of my loyalty to the newsgroup fuhrer. Heil Fehrer!
> Death to noobs! Ok, just kidding. It seems that Attila has
> been fairly moderate lately, so now I look like the Newsgroup
> Gestapo. Interesting turn of events. I don't object to anyone
> who wants to help him. However, if there is an even more
> topical newsgroup, I don't see how it is "chasing him away"
> to refer to it.[/color]

Per the FAQ, alt.comp.lang.l earn.c-c++ is supposed to more newbie-friendly.

**lilburne** · Jul 19 '05, 07:15 PM

Re: Struggling Comp Sci Student

Mike Wahler wrote:[color=blue]
> "David B. Held" <dheld@codelogi cconsulting.com > wrote in message
> news:bmiqkf$9p2 $1@news.astound .net...
>[color=green]
>>"Stan" <stans_52@netze ro.net> wrote in message
>>news:82ad86b. 0310142111.66b7 dbeb@posting.go ogle.com...
>>[color=darkred]
>>>Hey everyone, I've got a computer science class and we're
>>>working on C++.
>>>[...][/color]
>>
>>I believe there is a .students (or something similar) newsgroup
>>for C++ which might be more helpful.[/color]
>
>
> I've never heard of .students groups, but I suppose
> there could be some.
>
> However, many here (including myself) will be happy
> to help this person. Looks like you're chasing him
> away. How come?
>[/color]

Erm, comp sci student, can't get a nested loop to work. I
know the comp sci depts all seem to be teaching java
nowadays ... but really.

Once had a 2nd year comp sci student ask "What's a dot aich
file?" 6 months into the course. Seems a group of them had a
tame final year student, who was banging out the assignments.

**Mike Wahler** · Jul 19 '05, 07:16 PM

Re: Struggling Comp Sci Student

"David B. Held" <dheld@codelogi cconsulting.com > wrote in message
news:bmk3ma$fha $1@news.astound .net...[color=blue]
> "Mike Wahler" <mkwahler@mkwah ler.net> wrote in message
> news:Gq6jb.1913 $s93.1091@newsr ead3.news.pas.e arthlink.net...[color=green]
> > [...]
> > However, many here (including myself) will be happy
> > to help this person. Looks like you're chasing him
> > away. How come?[/color]
>
> Because of my loyalty to the newsgroup fuhrer. Heil Fehrer!
> Death to noobs! Ok, just kidding. It seems that Attila has
> been fairly moderate lately, so now I look like the Newsgroup
> Gestapo. Interesting turn of events. I don't object to anyone
> who wants to help him. However, if there is an even more
> topical newsgroup, I don't see how it is "chasing him away"
> to refer to it.[/color]

Your reply as seen in full context (this group) gave
me that impression.

A referral to a more specific group is always a good
thing. But all Stan saw from you was essentially
"this is better asked elsewhere.", which imo he could
take to mean "not topical" or perhaps "expert level
stuff only here," neither of which of course is the case.

I wasn't trying to tell you what to do, and I certainly
don't feel you were rude or anything like that. I simply
didn't understand why you replied the way you did.
Now I know. No big deal. :-)

-Mike

**Gregg** · Jul 19 '05, 07:16 PM

Re: Struggling Comp Sci Student

"osmium" <r124c4u102@com cast.net> wrote in news:bmjhqj$nkl g1$1@ID-
179017.news.uni-berlin.de:
[color=blue]
> Stan writes:
>[/color]
[...][color=blue]
>
> Something along these lines:
>
> int guesses = 0;
> while(guesses < 100)
> {
> /*your code*/
> guesses = guesses + 1; // can be obfuscated
> }
>
> The detection of guesses that are out of range should be handled in the
> block I call "your code". The message telling the user the number of
> guesses he used is left to you.
>[/color]

The specification said up to 5 guesses are allowed. Ordinarily this would
be a nit, but since it is for a beginner, it may be worth pointing out.
It might also be easier if the loop has two exit conditions instead of
one.

int guesses = 0;
bool success = false;

while ((guesses < 5) && !success))
{
/* Get number */
/* Report if out of range */
/* Otherwise see if it is correct */
guesses = guesses + 1;
}

/* Report number of attempts and whether user got it */

--
Gregg

WW · Jul 19 '05, 07:17 PM

Re: Struggling Comp Sci Student

David B. Held wrote:[color=blue]
> "Mike Wahler" <mkwahler@mkwah ler.net> wrote in message
> news:Gq6jb.1913 $s93.1091@newsr ead3.news.pas.e arthlink.net...[color=green]
>> [...]
>> However, many here (including myself) will be happy
>> to help this person. Looks like you're chasing him
>> away. How come?[/color]
>
> Because of my loyalty to the newsgroup fuhrer. Heil Fehrer!
> Death to noobs! Ok, just kidding. It seems that Attila has[/color]

Feher. And having a grandmother who was Jewish (well, she was catholic on
paper but then again she said Oh Yisrael and not Oh Jesus, which is a strong
hint) I take this bullshit of yours as a serious offense. And not a joke.

So I think it is time for you to apologize!

Calling someone a nazi is *not* a joke, in any way. So far I was amuzed by
your silly ways, but this is over the line. If you want to stay here ever
again as someone with a light chance to be respected, you will publicly
apologize! And this is not a joke either.

--
WW aka Attila

**David B. Held** · Jul 19 '05, 07:18 PM

Re: Struggling Comp Sci Student

"WW" <wolof@freemail .hu> wrote in message
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> David B. Held wrote:[color=green]
> > [...]
> > Because of my loyalty to the newsgroup fuhrer. Heil
> > Fehrer! Death to noobs! Ok, just kidding.[/color]
>
> Feher. And having a grandmother who was Jewish (well,
> she was catholic on paper but then again she said Oh
> Yisrael and not Oh Jesus, which is a strong hint) I take this
> bullshit of yours as a serious offense. And not a joke.[/color]

So in order to be offended, you have to rely on speculative
ancestry? In that case, one of my ancestors might have
been a Jew also, and so I should be equally offended! Isn't
it time for Jews to stop complaining about something that
didn't even happen to them personally? Isn't it enough that
you got a special word out of it, and a state? I mean, the
millions of Poles, Slavs, Serbs, and other people killed by
the Nazis, Stalinists, Leninists, and every other brute in
history don't have a special term for their meaningless
deaths, but I've never once heard one of their ancestors
complain about it.
[color=blue]
> So I think it is time for you to apologize![/color]

You mean it's time for you to censor me.
[color=blue]
> Calling someone a nazi is *not* a joke, in any way.[/color]

It is when "Nazi" is a placeholder for "authoritar ian dictator",
and not "Jew burner". I could have used Castro, Stalin, or
even Mao, but people have a broader knowledge about
the Nazi infrastructure, so references to them are more
easily recognizable. Who knows what Castro's secret
police are called? And I thought "Feher" was a funny
play on "fuhrer", which is a generic term perfectly
describing my opinion of your behaviour sometimes.
From dictionary.com:

füh·rer also fueh·rer
n.

A leader, especially one exercising the powers of a tyrant.

I never said: "Fuhrer of the Third Reich," (though that
would not be an unreasonable inference, granted).
[color=blue]
> So far I was amuzed by your silly ways, but this is over the
> line. If you want to stay here ever again as someone with a
> light chance to be respected, you will publicly apologize![/color]

This is merely fodder for my point. If you can't handle some
satirical criticism, I'm not going to placate your censoring
impulse with a contrived and insincere apology. That would
be insulting to you (since I don't regret saying it at all), and
would betray the very issue I was trying to highlight: that you
are an authoritarian tyrant.
[color=blue]
> And this is not a joke either.[/color]

Yes, that's what disturbs me the most. I never justified
genocide or any other atrocity, and yet you are unable
to separate the concept of a dictator from an event in
history. That is dangerous, because banning speech
about dictators merely creates the type of environment
in which said dictators prefer to operate in the first place.
Besides burning people, Hitler loved to burn books. And
refusing to allow people to condemn that behaviour
through satire is a sad indictment on "progressiv e"
humanity. Satire is the act of making a point through
analogy, exaggeration, and humor, all at once. It surely
runs the risk of offending some; but often, the point being
made is worth that risk.

Dave

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**sam** · Jul 19 '05, 07:18 PM

Re: Struggling Comp Sci Student

"David B. Held" <dheld@codelogi cconsulting.com > wrote in message
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> been a Jew also, and so I should be equally offended! Isn't
> it time for Jews to stop complaining about something that
> didn't even happen to them personally?[/color]

so you mean i shouldn't take half of my grandmother's family being wiped out
personally ?
[color=blue]
> Isn't it enough that
> you got a special word out of it, and a state?[/color]

wow , a word !!!! that really makes it all worth it...
and a state ? what kind of a state is it when terrorists are
blowing people up all the time ???

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