malloc + 4??

[Joona I Palaste]

Re: [OT] Re: malloc + 4??

Thomas Stegen <tstegen@cis.st rath.ac.uk> scribbled the following:[color=blue]
> Irrwahn Grausewitz wrote:[color=green]
>> But it's a concept not unheard of; other examples of ligatures are
>> the dutch 'ij' ("kijk"), the danish 'ae' (example?),[/color][/color]
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> The 'ae' is scandinavian and not purely danish. It is a single letter
> though and has its own place in the alphabeth (it is number 27).[/color]
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> Norwegian examples: "baer" (berry), "skjaere" (cut) (also of interest is
> is the skj sound, does not exist in english really, sort of like "ssh").[/color]
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> The ae is a single glyph though, æ.[/color]
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> So the above examples would be "bær" and "skjære".[/color]

It's *NOT* "Scandinavi an". Only Danish and Norwegian (and maybe
Icelandic) use it. Finnish and Swedish use ä and ö instead of æ and ø.

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[Dan Pop]

Re: [OT] Re: malloc + 4??

In <p9tq70d46osbk7 v5beqnifqk6far0 016b0@4ax.com> Irrwahn Grausewitz <irrwahn33@free net.de> writes:
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>It's debatable where in dictionary sort order the 'sz' should be
>placed, since it's neither really two letters [1] nor one letter
>of it's own right. However, at least my old Duden dict suggests to
>transcript it to 'SZ' when writing all caps - should be "FLOSZ" then.[/color]

What is beyond debate is that, under the new German spelling rules,
words like Abfluß became Abfluss and not Abflusz.

Dan
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[Thomas Stegen]

Re: [OT] Re: malloc + 4??

Joona I Palaste wrote:[color=blue]
>
> It's *NOT* "Scandinavi an". Only Danish and Norwegian (and maybe
> Icelandic) use it. Finnish and Swedish use ä and ö instead of æ and ø.
>[/color]

Finland is not part of Scandinavia you know ;) Anyways yeah, I was
thinking of the sound, the letter has different appearance.

Some people include Finland in Scandinavia, but they are wrong.
Norway, Denmark and Sweden recognise each other as scandinavian,
they recognise no other countries as such. If you want to include
Finland and Iceland use the term "the nordic countries".

Finland and Russia lies on the scandinavian peninsula, but denmark
does not. So it is a bit strange that denmark is part of scandinavia
while finland is not from a geographical viewpoint. From a historic
perspective it is not so strange. The scandinavist political movement
advocated unifying Denmark, Sweden and Norway into a single kingdom.
Finland was part of the Russian empire and so couldn't be included in
this union, so a new term was invented to to mean the nordic
countries excluding Finland, this term was scandinavia. Now, this union
was never to be, but there was a monetary union (kroner) until the first
world war. We still use kroner, but they are not compatible with
eachother.

--
Thomas.

[Joona I Palaste]

Re: [OT] Re: malloc + 4??

Thomas Stegen <tstegen@cis.st rath.ac.uk> scribbled the following:[color=blue]
> Joona I Palaste wrote:[color=green]
>> It's *NOT* "Scandinavi an". Only Danish and Norwegian (and maybe
>> Icelandic) use it. Finnish and Swedish use ä and ö instead of æ and ø.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> Finland is not part of Scandinavia you know ;) Anyways yeah, I was
> thinking of the sound, the letter has different appearance.[/color]
[color=blue]
> Some people include Finland in Scandinavia, but they are wrong.
> Norway, Denmark and Sweden recognise each other as scandinavian,
> they recognise no other countries as such. If you want to include
> Finland and Iceland use the term "the nordic countries".[/color]

I am aware of the formal situation. But generally when people talk
about Scandinavia, they mean the Nordic countries. I was going by the
pragmatic definition. Isn't pragmatism what this newsgroup is about
these days?
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> Finland and Russia lies on the scandinavian peninsula, but denmark
> does not. So it is a bit strange that denmark is part of scandinavia
> while finland is not from a geographical viewpoint. From a historic
> perspective it is not so strange. The scandinavist political movement
> advocated unifying Denmark, Sweden and Norway into a single kingdom.
> Finland was part of the Russian empire and so couldn't be included in
> this union, so a new term was invented to to mean the nordic
> countries excluding Finland, this term was scandinavia. Now, this union
> was never to be, but there was a monetary union (kroner) until the first
> world war. We still use kroner, but they are not compatible with
> eachother.[/color]

If Russia had never conquered Finland, the entire Finnish culture and
language would have ceased to exist as Finland would have been
assimilated into this aforementioned union. So, as much as we Finns hate
the Russians, they saved our entire culture and language from our *real*
enemies - the Scandinavians! (Only kidding - nothing personal against
Scandinavians, myself.)

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[Thomas Stegen]

Re: [OT] Re: malloc + 4??

Joona I Palaste wrote:
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>
> I am aware of the formal situation. But generally when people talk
> about Scandinavia, they mean the Nordic countries.[/color]

Not when you are in Scandinavia.
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> I was going by the
> pragmatic definition. Isn't pragmatism what this newsgroup is about
> these days?
>[/color]

It is not a pragmatic definition, it is a mistake, common though.
When people here in britain ask me about Scandinavia I am usually
pragmatic and ask tell them that Finland is not part of scandinavia
if it is relevant (I also mention the Nordic countries at this point).
I don't just "assume" they know what they are talking about and go on
explaining.

--
Thomas.

[Irrwahn Grausewitz]

Re: [OT] Re: malloc + 4??

Dan.Pop@cern.ch (Dan Pop) wrote:[color=blue]
>In <p9tq70d46osbk7 v5beqnifqk6far0 016b0@4ax.com> Irrwahn Grausewitz <irrwahn33@free net.de> writes:
>[color=green]
>>It's debatable where in dictionary sort order the 'sz' should be
>>placed, since it's neither really two letters [1] nor one letter
>>of it's own right. However, at least my old Duden dict suggests to
>>transcript it to 'SZ' when writing all caps - should be "FLOSZ" then.[/color]
>
>What is beyond debate is that, under the new German spelling rules,
>words like Abfluß became Abfluss and not Abflusz.[/color]

_What's_ beyond debate is that the spelling "Abfluß" was
braindead in the first place: the word is pronounced with a
short and not a long 'u'. [1]

That's one of the few things the so-called experts who are the
glorified fathers of this infamous german Rechtschreibref orm
actually got right. Unnecessary to add that it's extremely
surprising they managed to get anything right in the end.

[1] Consider: Fluss vs. Fuß, Fass vs. Fraß, Masse vs. Maße, etc.

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[Dan Pop]

Re: [OT] Re: malloc + 4??

In <c5m4lm$nfm$1@o ravannahka.hels inki.fi> Joona I Palaste <palaste@cc.hel sinki.fi> writes:
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>If Russia had never conquered Finland, the entire Finnish culture and
>language would have ceased to exist as Finland would have been
>assimilated into this aforementioned union.[/color]

How do you know? European minorities are notorious for their resistance
to *cultural* assimilation. Are the Finns any weaker than the Occitans
or the Csangos (which are far smaller ethnic groups)? Any idea about
how many people are native speakers of the fourth official Swiss language?

Dan
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Dan Pop
DESY Zeuthen, RZ group
Email: Dan.Pop@ifh.de

[Joona I Palaste]

Re: [OT] Re: malloc + 4??

Dan Pop <Dan.Pop@cern.c h> scribbled the following:[color=blue]
> In <c5m4lm$nfm$1@o ravannahka.hels inki.fi> Joona I Palaste <palaste@cc.hel sinki.fi> writes:[color=green]
>>If Russia had never conquered Finland, the entire Finnish culture and
>>language would have ceased to exist as Finland would have been
>>assimilated into this aforementioned union.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> How do you know? European minorities are notorious for their resistance
> to *cultural* assimilation. Are the Finns any weaker than the Occitans
> or the Csangos (which are far smaller ethnic groups)? Any idea about
> how many people are native speakers of the fourth official Swiss language?[/color]

I don't *know*, I'm speculating here. Maybe the culture wouldn't have
totally vanished, but the language would. The Swedish monarchy at the
time was very intent in making Swedish the only official language in
their entire kingdom.

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[Richard Delorme]

Re: malloc + 4??

Dan Pop a écrit :[color=blue]
> In <t71k5c.pf.ln@1 27.0.0.1> Alberto =?iso-8859-1?Q?Gim=E9nez?= <algibe@telelin e.es> writes:
>
>[color=green]
>>El Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:30:03 -0400, Joe Wright escribió:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>With all due respect, Spain (Iberia) has four (more?) regions with
>>>their own languages. Castille, Andalusia, Catalonia, Basque, etc.
>>>Which of these are you talking about?[/color]
>>
>>Spanish is Spanish, everywhere. Another thing is dialects, or people's
>>pronounciatio n. Other topic is Catalan, Basque, "gallego" (don't know
>>translation ), which are languages on their own.[/color]
>
>
> Then, why do I see "Castellano " on so many DVDs, instead of "Español"?[/color]

Four languages are spoken in Spain: Basque, Castilian, Catalan and
Galician. So, inside Spain, Spanish (Español) is called Castilian
(Castellano) to distinguish it from the other languages. As Castilian is
the main language spoken in Spain, and the one that spread out, outside
Spain it is usually called Spanish.

--
Richard

[Ben Pfaff]

Re: malloc + 4??

oldwolf@inspire .net.nz (Old Wolf) writes:
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> None of these would change the meanings of words, or cause confusion.
> Certainly if you use the Japanese letters then there is no doubt.[/color]

Not entirely true: if I recall correctly, the hiragana character
for "ha" is sometimes pronounced "wa", the hiragana character for
"wo" is sometimes pronounced "o", and there may be other
exceptions that I am unaware of.
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