Healing

[Larry Linson]

Re: Healing

I can recollect PC Datasheet asking me for subcontract work. I do not recall
ever asking him for any work, as it never occurred to me that he had enough
for himself (and I still hold that opinion). It, thus, appears that his
memory is faulty. A faulty memory would not be much of a recommendation for
contracting with him to do work.

But, for certain, one thing I have never done is to advertise for work in
the newsgroups -- that would be in violation of USENET rules, as set forth
in a number of adopted RFCs and in violation of the charter of this
newsgroup. And, until PC Datasheet increased his SIG beyond a reasonable
four lines or so, and before he started dropping in his "contact me for a
solution to your problem" posts into so many message threads, I didn't
criticize him.

The advertising he is doing is, also, if I understand correctly, against his
news server's (Earthlink) Acceptable Use Policy. And that would open him up
to the hassle of losing his account, if they back up their AUP with action
when people complain politely and include his offending post, with full
headers.

Larry Linson

[Keith W]

Re: Healing

"Larry Linson" <bouncer@localh ost.not> wrote in message
news:3daof.4232 0$Y7.36686@trnd dc02...[color=blue]
>
> The advertising he is doing is, also, if I understand correctly, against
> his news server's (Earthlink) Acceptable Use Policy. And that would open
> him up to the hassle of losing his account, if they back up their AUP with
> action when people complain politely and include his offending post, with
> full headers.
>[/color]
Is one such complaint to Earthlink from an individual enough or s it a
question of bombarding them into action?

[Arno R]

Re: Healing


"Danny J. Lesandrini" <dlesandrini@ho tmail.com> schreef in bericht news:9uidnYOhis xIlgLeRVn-pg@giganews.com ...
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> Hmmm. I believe that was me. [/color]

Danny,
Sorry to hear that you were burned also.
Did not know your story but my guess is that Larry meant the story of the Neil Ginsberg 'rip off'.

Steve's version (thread 'To All'):

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.databases.ms-access/msg/fd88f8ae9eb501f2

Neils version (same thread):

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.databases.ms-access/msg/46038ba2954261f9

Arno R

[Lyle Fairfield]

Re: Healing

Larry Linson wrote:[color=blue]
> I can recollect PC Datasheet asking me for subcontract work. I do not recall
> ever asking him for any work, as it never occurred to me that he had enough
> for himself (and I still hold that opinion).[/color]

Larry, I never thought the story of your asking Steve for work had any
substance at all.

[PC Datasheet]

Re: Healing

Linson, you are a hypocrite and a liar. XMVP was 110% right about
you!!!!!!!!!!!! !!



"Larry Linson" <bouncer@localh ost.not> wrote in message
news:3daof.4232 0$Y7.36686@trnd dc02...[color=blue]
>I can recollect PC Datasheet asking me for subcontract work. I do not
>recall ever asking him for any work, as it never occurred to me that he had
>enough for himself (and I still hold that opinion). It, thus, appears that
>his memory is faulty. A faulty memory would not be much of a recommendation
>for contracting with him to do work.
>
> But, for certain, one thing I have never done is to advertise for work in
> the newsgroups -- that would be in violation of USENET rules, as set forth
> in a number of adopted RFCs and in violation of the charter of this
> newsgroup. And, until PC Datasheet increased his SIG beyond a reasonable
> four lines or so, and before he started dropping in his "contact me for a
> solution to your problem" posts into so many message threads, I didn't
> criticize him.
>
> The advertising he is doing is, also, if I understand correctly, against
> his news server's (Earthlink) Acceptable Use Policy. And that would open
> him up to the hassle of losing his account, if they back up their AUP with
> action when people complain politely and include his offending post, with
> full headers.
>
> Larry Linson
>
>
>
>[/color]

[PC Datasheet]

Re: Healing

And here's what Linson said about you, Lyle --

There are opportunistic trolls around, though, who'll jump into a fray if
they spot one, and some might have participated here and there. It's clear
to me from the writing style and content that many of the Hotmail / Google
posts are Mellon and, I think, most of the Anonymous.

But, I would certainly not rule out that Lyle as an active participant. Some
of our colleagues, remembering back in the pre-Access 2000 days when he was
an active and usually helpful participant, are quick to rationalize for him.
I think I've said that I consider him "worse than a troll, a
formerly-productive turncoat who allied himself with the trolls". It is
clear that he formed a deep-seated hatred for Michael Kaplan, David Fenton,
and me during the Access 2000 debates. But his hatred for me can't be any
stronger than my disgust with him.



"Lyle Fairfield" <lylefairfield@ aim.com> wrote in message
news:1134647146 .129046.284990@ g44g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com.. .[color=blue]
> Larry Linson wrote:[color=green]
>> I can recollect PC Datasheet asking me for subcontract work. I do not
>> recall
>> ever asking him for any work, as it never occurred to me that he had
>> enough
>> for himself (and I still hold that opinion).[/color]
>
> Larry, I never thought the story of your asking Steve for work had any
> substance at all.
>[/color]

[Lyle Fairfield]

Re: Healing

Things change, Steve.
They could change for you (with many of us at least) if you would give
us the slightest opportunity, the barest opening, the least glimmer of
hope.

[Keith W]

Re: Healing

"Lyle Fairfield" <lylefairfield@ aim.com> wrote in message
news:1134652470 .078282.230850@ f14g2000cwb.goo glegroups.com.. .[color=blue]
> Things change, Steve.[/color]

Are there any other skeletons you'd like to dig up to attempt to create an
ally Steve?

[Tim Marshall]

Re: Healing

PC Datasheet wrote:
[color=blue]
> Linson, you are a hypocrite and a liar. XMVP was 110% right about
> you!!!!!!!!!!!! !![/color]

Steve, you should stop now. Surely you can see the folly of putting
yourself into the same camp as that poster? One could easily use your
post here to substantiate a claim that you were of the same cut as xmvp.
I'm not about to make such a claim, but holy smoke, you're baring your
breast here...

--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "Whatcha doin?" - Ditto "TIM-MAY!!" - Me

[David W. Fenton]

Re: Healing

"Larry Linson" <bouncer@localh ost.not> wrote in
news:3daof.4232 0$Y7.36686@trnd dc02:
[color=blue]
> The advertising he is doing is, also, if I understand correctly,
> against his news server's (Earthlink) Acceptable Use Policy. And
> that would open him up to the hassle of losing his account, if
> they back up their AUP with action when people complain politely
> and include his offending post, with full headers.[/color]

Are you sure the post you're responding to was not forged by Don
Mellon?

--
David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/

[PC Datasheet]

Re: Healing

No it wasn't, David!

Linson did come to me a couple of years ago and ask if I would sobcontract
work I was doing for people from the newsgroup to him. Right hand on the
bible!!!

Now the S.O.B. hypocrite is lying that he never did and double lieing saying
I went to him. He's nothing but a blowhard that likes to stand high on his
soapbox expecting everyone to listen enthralled by what he is saying. Look
at many of his posts. When you stick a pin in them and let out all the hot
air, there's nothing left but a puddle of crap. He has let becoming an MVP
go to his head!!!!!


--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
Over 1050 users have come from the newsgroups trusting me and requesting
help.
resource@pcdata sheet.com



"David W. Fenton" <XXXusenet@dfen ton.com.invalid > wrote in message
news:Xns972D9C3 27A0Bf99a49ed1d 0c49c5bbb2@216. 196.97.142...[color=blue]
> "Larry Linson" <bouncer@localh ost.not> wrote in
> news:3daof.4232 0$Y7.36686@trnd dc02:
>[color=green]
>> The advertising he is doing is, also, if I understand correctly,
>> against his news server's (Earthlink) Acceptable Use Policy. And
>> that would open him up to the hassle of losing his account, if
>> they back up their AUP with action when people complain politely
>> and include his offending post, with full headers.[/color]
>
> Are you sure the post you're responding to was not forged by Don
> Mellon?
>
> --
> David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
> usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/[/color]

[CDMAPoster@FortuneJames.com]

Re: Divine Healing?

PC Datasheet wrote:[color=blue]
> No it wasn't, David!
>
> Linson did come to me a couple of years ago and ask if I would sobcontract
> work I was doing for people from the newsgroup to him. Right hand on the
> bible!!![/color]

First, we need to get an idea of how bad of a sin your advertising is.
I hope to present enough of a perspective to frame that question
properly. Hopefully, you will indicate the severity of your actions
after reading this. You are smart enough to know that you are
violating the charter. Have you been provoked enough to justify that
violation? We should be smart enough to figure that out.

Since you mention respect for the Bible, I will attempt an exegesis
based on examples from the Good book. Apologies to those with other
good books, including Atheists.

Assuming that your behavior does not correspond to a mortal sin (i.e.,
a sin that puts one beyond the possibility of Divine forgiveness) I
will use examples of sins that aren't so mortal. Namely, smoking,
drinking and gambling, plus one that is more analogous to the current
situation.

Sins seem to fall into the increasingly severe categories of being
against oneself, being against others and being against the Deity
(i.e., the newsgroup itself). I'm not suggesting NG idolatry here; I'm
just an establishing an analogy.

It may surprise some that there are no specific prohibitions to
smoking, moderate drinking, or gambling anywhere in the entire Bible.
Sins that affect only the sinner are dealt with in the Bible,
suprisingly, by a single instance or two of Divine ridicule and then
nothing more is said. The principle seems to be that acting against
your own interests isn't too bright.

Smoking, which is a "sin" that, excepting second-hand smoke for now,
only hurts the sinner. So to determine "What Would Jesus Do" (WWJD) I
try to think of anything that seems to be related to smoking. Hmmm..
I can only think of one off the top of my head. A vague reference in
the Old Testament to those who "feed on ashes." The single mild poking
fun at seems to be all there is about it. You can say that the body is
a temple and that the temple is receiving fire damage but the damage
itself seems to be the extent of the punishment. BTW, I have never
smoked.

IMO, drinking is a "sin" that only happens when taken to excess. Even
Jesus drank. Anyone who thinks He created grape juice at the wedding
at Cana doesn't know Ja.. err Jesus well, or worse just ignore the
contextual clues. He was even accused of being a drunk. Outside of a
couple of Old Testament examples of very bad behavior after drinking
too much (incest in one example) and a few short warnings about it in
both Testaments, the Bible is nearly silent. People are still
responsible for their actions but, by itself, the penalty for drinking
seems to serve itself. BTW, please don't drink and drive!

Gambling is more interesting. The Old Testament references to gambling
seem to encourage it, or at least to have enough confidence in God's
protection based on a holy lifestyle to go out and risk fighting the
enemy to get your piece of the pie. Even the Gospel doesn't slam the
Roman soldiers for gambling. The warning seems to be that those who
get caught up in gambling may become too preoccupied with it and miss
something important. BTW, if you gamble, don't lose :-).

So I think that those of us who ridicule you are misinterpreting and
understating the severity of your actions. Excessive ridicule is
almost never what the situation calls for. I.e., it's not the next
step after mild ridicule. In spite of the amount of fun some have had
with it (including myself I'm sorry to say), I recommend that we treat
you with the respect that is due an adult and vice-versa, yet still
allow for some humor. Since your actions are quite difficult to
quantify as far as damage to other posters and readers of this NG, I'll
skip right to my point. I think your actions are similar to the money
changers in the temple. They were able to rent vendor space for free
in violation of the law while others had to pay rent elsewhere in the
normal fashion. In spite of this unfair advantage to other vendors,
the main problem is that it mocks the Deity. So, WWJD? In that case
He didn't attact the vendors themselves. He struck at the venue.
Hard. So in that light, I can understand why some posters have struck
at your ability to advertise here directly. I understand that
attacking the venue is problematic. I sincerely apologize if I have
misunderstood you and hope to be corrected if that is the case. I
don't know for sure, but I'm inclined to think that you are simply
testing the NG to see how we handle this situation. I am still hoping
that all this will be resolved. I just don't have enough wisdom to
make everyone happy. In the meanwhile, I'm going to try to enjoy the
show as much as possible and secretly hope, due to the prurience that
still lingers within me, that both the advertising and the bashing
continue. And I repeat that the main problem IMO is that you
disrespect this great NG. To me, it's unfathomable unless its the only
way you have to vent your problems with others here.
[color=blue]
> Now the S.O.B. hypocrite is lying that he never did and double lieing saying
> I went to him. He's nothing but a blowhard that likes to stand high on his
> soapbox expecting everyone to listen enthralled by what he is saying. Look
> at many of his posts. When you stick a pin in them and let out all the hot
> air, there's nothing left but a puddle of crap. He has let becoming an MVP
> go to his head!!!!![/color]

I have to admit that paragraph was humorous to read but it's not a step
in the right direction. Maybe it's a case of everything seeming pure
to the pure? It doesn't matter to me whether he tried to get
sobcontract work or not. Given what you say, he needed work badly but
still didn't resort to violating the NG charter, right? You say you're
doing better than most of us here. Why would you still need to
advertise here? With that many satisfied customers the referral work
should be more than enough to keep you and a moderately sized staff
very busy. We want you to post here and succeed, but in the right way.
If I think of any ways to help the situation I'll post back. Back to
Access.

James A. Fortune

If we even touch the fruit we'll die. -- Eve

[Larry Linson]

Re: Healing

"PC Datasheet" <nospam@nospam. spam> wrote <SNIP>

Poor, poor pitiful little troll. Steve, you're edging up on "about as close
to universally disliked as can be."

I have sent e-mail directly to Steve only once or twice since he expanded
his SIG and began, so often, to post just to contact him for his (paid)
help. When I did, it was to urge him to reduce his SIG (as I see he did in
this post... but it has been much longer), and to stop the blatant and
frequent advertising.

If he has a link to a post that validates his claim, let him post it here.
It is too easy to forge an e-mail to accept a "quoted e-mail", so that won't
wash. We have seen him "quote" posts to bolster his point, when he could
have posted a link if they were genuine, and we have seen him "quote"
endorsement e-mails, which, of course, can't be verified.

Just for the record, I have never been "down and out" to the extent that I
would advertise in the newsgroup, nor have I ever been so "down and out"
that I'd beg Steve for work -- after seeing how he planned to treat his
subcontractor when he first posted in this newsgroup, that would be just
begging to be ripped off.

I don't know what it is that might have gone to Steve's head to convince him
that the charter and adopted RFCs do not apply to him.

Larry Linson