Should I raise a fuss over this?

[Tom_OM]

Re: Here's what I've decided to do [Was: Should I raise a fuss over this?]

Here's where it is:

http://home.earthlink.net/~tm120176050/multfile.html

For the computer mag it was featured as a Windows utility; for the
Photography mag is was billed as a digital camera tool. Use the prog
if you want. If you like it, check back in about a month. I'm
planning to release a new version.

And, to Jim, I speak and write German, but I don't know any of the
languages spoken in Yugoslavia.

On Thu, 13 May 2004 03:19:06 -0400, "BeastFish"
<beastfish@fo r-president.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Soo? What's the software? Ya pique everyone's curiosity, and now yer gonna
>leave us hangin'? :-)
>
>
>
>"Tom_OM" <dontspamme@jun kmailstinks.com > wrote in message
>news:sqe5a09t7 lgqkpiq0c6qt7ef co3d6o2opa@4ax. com...[/color]
[snip]

[J French]

Re: Here's what I've decided to do [Was: Should I raise a fuss over this?]

On Thu, 13 May 2004 20:27:03 GMT, Tom_OM
<dontspamme@jun kmailstinks.com > wrote:
[color=blue]
>Here's where it is:
>http://home.earthlink.net/~tm120176050/multfile.html
>
>For the computer mag it was featured as a Windows utility; for the
>Photography mag is was billed as a digital camera tool. Use the prog
>if you want. If you like it, check back in about a month. I'm
>planning to release a new version.[/color]

Looks a handy little utility.

[songie D]

Re: Here's what I've decided to do [Was: Should I raise a fuss over this?]

And..... the skill involved in writing that program prevails
itself where, exactly?
I'm presuming it has drag-drop
reordering of the files to be renamed to control which
ones get which of the 1, 2, ... , n suffixes, with full multiple reorderings
and drag-image support?
Where's the move-up-one, move-top, move-down-one,
move-bottom buttons?

"Tom_OM" <dontspamme@jun kmailstinks.com > wrote in message
news:7cm7a05u2n rf50tk68vufqgp8 2ftv9v7fu@4ax.c om...[color=blue]
> Here's where it is:
> http://home.earthlink.net/~tm120176050/multfile.html
>
> For the computer mag it was featured as a Windows utility; for the
> Photography mag is was billed as a digital camera tool. Use the prog
> if you want. If you like it, check back in about a month. I'm
> planning to release a new version.
>
> And, to Jim, I speak and write German, but I don't know any of the
> languages spoken in Yugoslavia.
>
> On Thu, 13 May 2004 03:19:06 -0400, "BeastFish"
> <beastfish@fo r-president.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
> >Soo? What's the software? Ya pique everyone's curiosity, and now yer[/color][/color]
gonna[color=blue][color=green]
> >leave us hangin'? :-)
> >
> >
> >
> >"Tom_OM" <dontspamme@jun kmailstinks.com > wrote in message
> >news:sqe5a09t7 lgqkpiq0c6qt7ef co3d6o2opa@4ax. com...[/color]
> [snip][/color]

[ChrisM]

Re: Here's what I've decided to do [Was: Should I raise a fuss over this?]

FFS!

It's FREEWARE! The guy wrote a little utility (I'm guessing he needed it for
somthing) decided that others could find it useful, and generously made it
available for free.

If you want all sorts of flashy functionality, go pay for your software. Or
better still, write it yourself and make it FREELY available to everyone
else.

ChrisM

"songie D" <songie@d.com > wrote in message
news:%23BXPl6mO EHA.3896@TK2MSF TNGP12.phx.gbl. ..[color=blue]
> And..... the skill involved in writing that program prevails
> itself where, exactly?
> I'm presuming it has drag-drop
> reordering of the files to be renamed to control which
> ones get which of the 1, 2, ... , n suffixes, with full multiple[/color]
reorderings[color=blue]
> and drag-image support?
> Where's the move-up-one, move-top, move-down-one,
> move-bottom buttons?
>
> "Tom_OM" <dontspamme@jun kmailstinks.com > wrote in message
> news:7cm7a05u2n rf50tk68vufqgp8 2ftv9v7fu@4ax.c om...[color=green]
> > Here's where it is:
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~tm120176050/multfile.html
> >
> > For the computer mag it was featured as a Windows utility; for the
> > Photography mag is was billed as a digital camera tool. Use the prog
> > if you want. If you like it, check back in about a month. I'm
> > planning to release a new version.
> >
> > And, to Jim, I speak and write German, but I don't know any of the
> > languages spoken in Yugoslavia.
> >
> > On Thu, 13 May 2004 03:19:06 -0400, "BeastFish"
> > <beastfish@fo r-president.com> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> > >Soo? What's the software? Ya pique everyone's curiosity, and now yer[/color][/color]
> gonna[color=green][color=darkred]
> > >leave us hangin'? :-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >"Tom_OM" <dontspamme@jun kmailstinks.com > wrote in message
> > >news:sqe5a09t7 lgqkpiq0c6qt7ef co3d6o2opa@4ax. com...[/color]
> > [snip][/color]
>
>[/color]

[Tom_OM]

Re: Here's what I've decided to do [Was: Should I raise a fuss over this?]

Thanks, Chris, that's exactly what happened. I was photographing a
lot of things with a digital camera, which named everything with
nondescript names like "img_0525, img_0526", etc. Renaming these
hundreds of files had become tedious, so I wrote a little utility to
make it easier. I figured others might find it useful, so I put in a
help system and published the prog as freeware.

On Mon, 17 May 2004 09:36:27 +0100, "ChrisM" <ask.me.if@you. need.it>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>FFS!
>
>It's FREEWARE! The guy wrote a little utility (I'm guessing he needed it for
>somthing) decided that others could find it useful, and generously made it
>available for free.
>
>If you want all sorts of flashy functionality, go pay for your software. Or
>better still, write it yourself and make it FREELY available to everyone
>else.
>
>ChrisM
>
>"songie D" <songie@d.com > wrote in message
>news:%23BXPl6m OEHA.3896@TK2MS FTNGP12.phx.gbl ...[/color]
[snip]

[Paul Hallett]

Re: Here's what I've decided to do [Was: Should I raise a fuss over this?]

Wonderful stuff. I have promised myself I would do this as soon as I
got into digital photography. The years passed and nothing done.
Thanks you for this. Are you into giving away the source? I have no
intention moving it on or repackaging, just wouldn't mind looking at
the development of it and changing it to suits needs and needs need to
be suited if you know what I mean.

Excellent though and shows others what the internet can do for us all.

Cheers
Paul


Tom_OM <dontspamme@jun kmailstinks.com > wrote in message news:<pcnha0pi0 kmvf3761hrb0veg fahekojgpg@4ax. com>...[color=blue]
> Thanks, Chris, that's exactly what happened. I was photographing a
> lot of things with a digital camera, which named everything with
> nondescript names like "img_0525, img_0526", etc. Renaming these
> hundreds of files had become tedious, so I wrote a little utility to
> make it easier. I figured others might find it useful, so I put in a
> help system and published the prog as freeware.
>
> On Mon, 17 May 2004 09:36:27 +0100, "ChrisM" <ask.me.if@you. need.it>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
> >FFS!
> >
> >It's FREEWARE! The guy wrote a little utility (I'm guessing he needed it for
> >somthing) decided that others could find it useful, and generously made it
> >available for free.
> >
> >If you want all sorts of flashy functionality, go pay for your software. Or
> >better still, write it yourself and make it FREELY available to everyone
> >else.
> >
> >ChrisM
> >
> >"songie D" <songie@d.com > wrote in message
> >news:%23BXPl6m OEHA.3896@TK2MS FTNGP12.phx.gbl ...[/color]
> [snip][/color]

[Hapticz]

Re: Should I raise a fuss over this?

& perhaps you may decide to "make money" (aka survive) later?

Copyright and disclaimer

Trial version
1. (YourProgram) is neither freeware nor public domain.
2. Use after the 35 days trial period requires registration.
3. Use of (YourProgram) after expiration of the trial period without registration is a violation of international copyright law.
It is also unfair to the author, who has spent thousands of hours by developing this program.
4. Selling or redistribution of the program is not allowed without a written permission of (YourName).

--

Best regards,
Hapticz

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"Tom_OM" <dontspamme@jun kmailstinks.com > wrote in message news:9nq1a09ags t3gksmmdmhdvtq8 d80v5rkm8@4ax.c om...[color=blue]
> I have a web site in which I offer freeware programs. They're true
> freeware, not crippled versions attempting to get people to buy the
> full versions. The beginning of my user license agreement (agreed to
> in the install script as a requirement for install -- and also
> viewable from the app's help menu) states this:
>
> "Copyright (C) 2003 by [my name]
>
> This application is freeware. It may be freely copied and used at no
> charge so long as it is not decompiled or hacked in any way, or sold.
> [The rest of the agreement is a disclaimer of liability.]"
>
> I've recently discovered that someone has put my program, and other
> people's freeware, on a CD that he is charging $5(US) a pop for ($3
> for additional CDs). He claims he's complying with all the user
> license agreements. Here's what he writes:
>
> "The programs on this CD are Freeware. I am not charging for the
> programs; I am charging for my time and efforts in collecting all of
> these programs in one place.
> Important Information about Copyrights
> NO COPYRIGHTS ARE VIOLATED!! EVERYTHING IN THIS OFFER IS DISTRIBUTED
> WITHIN THE LEGAL GUIDELINES OF THE FREEWARE AND SHAREWARE GUIDELINES.
> WE ARE NOT CHARGING FOR THE PROGRAMS ONLY FOR THE SERVICE TO GATHER,
> REPRODUCE AND DISTRIBUTE THESE PROGRAMS.
> Resale of this auction is strictly prohibited, violators will be
> prosecuted"
>
> It's clear that the 5 bucks is less than his costs to burn a CD and
> mail it within North America (I'm not sure about the rest of the
> world). Here's someone who is making money off of a program that I
> specifically designated as freeware. I'm particularly annoyed at his
> threat to prosecute violators of HIS copyright when I'm the copyright
> owner of my program and the other freeware authors are the owners of
> theirs. This guy owns no copyright to any of the apps.
>
> I'm curious if you guys think I should raise a stink over this or if
> his charging 5 bucks to collect programs and copy them onto a CD for
> people is a reasonable way to distribute freeware.
>
>[/color]

[Don@home.com]

Re: Should I raise a fuss over this?

On Tue, 18 May 2004 09:31:03 -0400, "Hapticz" <hapticz@email. msn.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>& perhaps you may decide to "make money" (aka survive) later?
>
>Copyright and disclaimer
>
>Trial version
>1. (YourProgram) is neither freeware nor public domain.
>2. Use after the 35 days trial period requires registration.
>3. Use of (YourProgram) after expiration of the trial period without registration is a violation of international copyright law.
>It is also unfair to the author, who has spent thousands of hours by developing this program.
>4. Selling or redistribution of the program is not allowed without a written permission of (YourName).[/color]

5. lblDisclaimer.C aption = "Warning: This program was written by ME for THEE for
FREE. If you paid for it then contact your lawyer and sue the person that sold
it to you and try to get your money back.. hahaha"

Have a good day...

Don

[Jordan T. Cox]

Re: Here's what I've decided to do [Was: Should I raise a fuss overthis?]

songie D wrote:
[color=blue]
> And..... the skill involved in writing that program prevails
> itself where, exactly?
> I'm presuming it has drag-drop
> reordering of the files to be renamed to control which
> ones get which of the 1, 2, ... , n suffixes, with full multiple reorderings
> and drag-image support?
> Where's the move-up-one, move-top, move-down-one,
> move-bottom buttons?
>
> "Tom_OM" <dontspamme@jun kmailstinks.com > wrote in message
> news:7cm7a05u2n rf50tk68vufqgp8 2ftv9v7fu@4ax.c om...
>[color=green]
>>Here's where it is:
>>http://home.earthlink.net/~tm120176050/multfile.html
>>
>>For the computer mag it was featured as a Windows utility; for the
>>Photography mag is was billed as a digital camera tool. Use the prog
>>if you want. If you like it, check back in about a month. I'm
>>planning to release a new version.
>>
>>And, to Jim, I speak and write German, but I don't know any of the
>>languages spoken in Yugoslavia.
>>
>>On Thu, 13 May 2004 03:19:06 -0400, "BeastFish"
>><beastfish@fo r-president.com> wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>Soo? What's the software? Ya pique everyone's curiosity, and now yer[/color][/color]
>
> gonna
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>leave us hangin'? :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Tom_OM" <dontspamme@jun kmailstinks.com > wrote in message
>>>news:sqe5a09 t7lgqkpiq0c6qt7 efco3d6o2opa@4a x.com...[/color]
>>
>>[snip][/color]
>
>
>[/color]

Troll, if you could get back to your little corner and die - we would
all be most pleased. I'm sure that you are looking forward to being
able to eat your interface in Windows Longhorn 2006 Intranet Corporate
Collaboration Lockdown Freeze'o'matic Colliquium Edition. Until then,
please leave real software developers alone - and go eat your candy.

Regards,
Jordan T. Cox

[Hapticz]

Re: Should I raise a fuss over this?

ROFL

all too true! indeed!

--

Best regards,
Hapticz

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<Don@home.com > wrote in message news:244ka0pb6t 3pr2rr6sjpp34vt 0emgfakru@4ax.c om...[color=blue]
> On Tue, 18 May 2004 09:31:03 -0400, "Hapticz" <hapticz@email. msn.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
> >& perhaps you may decide to "make money" (aka survive) later?
> >
> >Copyright and disclaimer
> >
> >Trial version
> >1. (YourProgram) is neither freeware nor public domain.
> >2. Use after the 35 days trial period requires registration.
> >3. Use of (YourProgram) after expiration of the trial period without registration is a violation of international copyright law.
> >It is also unfair to the author, who has spent thousands of hours by developing this program.
> >4. Selling or redistribution of the program is not allowed without a written permission of (YourName).[/color]
>
> 5. lblDisclaimer.C aption = "Warning: This program was written by ME for THEE for
> FREE. If you paid for it then contact your lawyer and sue the person that sold
> it to you and try to get your money back.. hahaha"
>
> Have a good day...
>
> Don[/color]

[B0nj]

Re: Here's what I've decided to do [Was: Should I raise a fuss over this?]

> Troll, if you could get back to your little corner and die - we would[color=blue]
> all be most pleased. I'm sure that you are looking forward to being
> able to eat your interface in Windows Longhorn 2006 Intranet Corporate
> Collaboration Lockdown Freeze'o'matic Colliquium Edition. Until then,
> please leave real software developers alone - and go eat your candy.[/color]

Oh, shut up you SHIIIIITTTT !!

For god's sake can you not see that the only reason I look on these
newsgroups is *boredom*, so if you perhaps thought about engaging
in some interesting discussion, I wouldn't get bored, and neither would
anyone else - with YOU.

[B0nj]

Re: Here's what I've decided to do [Was: Should I raise a fuss over this?]

Yes but it's a fu cking emabarassment!


"ChrisM" <ask.me.if@you. need.it> wrote in message
news:evaobl%23O EHA.628@TK2MSFT NGP11.phx.gbl.. .[color=blue]
> FFS!
>
> It's FREEWARE! The guy wrote a little utility (I'm guessing he needed it[/color]
for[color=blue]
> somthing) decided that others could find it useful, and generously made it
> available for free.
>
> If you want all sorts of flashy functionality, go pay for your software.[/color]
Or[color=blue]
> better still, write it yourself and make it FREELY available to everyone
> else.
>
> ChrisM
>
> "songie D" <songie@d.com > wrote in message
> news:%23BXPl6mO EHA.3896@TK2MSF TNGP12.phx.gbl. ..[color=green]
> > And..... the skill involved in writing that program prevails
> > itself where, exactly?
> > I'm presuming it has drag-drop
> > reordering of the files to be renamed to control which
> > ones get which of the 1, 2, ... , n suffixes, with full multiple[/color]
> reorderings[color=green]
> > and drag-image support?
> > Where's the move-up-one, move-top, move-down-one,
> > move-bottom buttons?
> >
> > "Tom_OM" <dontspamme@jun kmailstinks.com > wrote in message
> > news:7cm7a05u2n rf50tk68vufqgp8 2ftv9v7fu@4ax.c om...[color=darkred]
> > > Here's where it is:
> > > http://home.earthlink.net/~tm120176050/multfile.html
> > >
> > > For the computer mag it was featured as a Windows utility; for the
> > > Photography mag is was billed as a digital camera tool. Use the prog
> > > if you want. If you like it, check back in about a month. I'm
> > > planning to release a new version.
> > >
> > > And, to Jim, I speak and write German, but I don't know any of the
> > > languages spoken in Yugoslavia.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 13 May 2004 03:19:06 -0400, "BeastFish"
> > > <beastfish@fo r-president.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Soo? What's the software? Ya pique everyone's curiosity, and now[/color][/color][/color]
yer[color=blue][color=green]
> > gonna[color=darkred]
> > > >leave us hangin'? :-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >"Tom_OM" <dontspamme@jun kmailstinks.com > wrote in message
> > > >news:sqe5a09t7 lgqkpiq0c6qt7ef co3d6o2opa@4ax. com...
> > > [snip][/color]
> >
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]

[B0nj]

Re: Here's what I've decided to do [Was: Should I raise a fuss over this?]

Thanks, but the internet's got enough crap without more.
This sort of thing is what's called THROWAWAY-CODE
and is best written in vbs.
For you, it's maybe OK - if a little OTT. For others, it would
be quicker to knock up a quick vbs to do exactly what they want,
than to search for your program, download it, configure it,
test it, use it, debug it, etc etc, then uninstall it again?
*Surely* you weren't thinking people would keep it on their
PC 'in case they ever needed it'? For god's sake, talk about
wrinting code from out of your arse...


"Tom_OM" <dontspamme@jun kmailstinks.com > wrote in message
news:pcnha0pi0k mvf3761hrb0vegf ahekojgpg@4ax.c om...[color=blue]
> Thanks, Chris, that's exactly what happened. I was photographing a
> lot of things with a digital camera, which named everything with
> nondescript names like "img_0525, img_0526", etc. Renaming these
> hundreds of files had become tedious, so I wrote a little utility to
> make it easier. I figured others might find it useful, so I put in a
> help system and published the prog as freeware.
>
> On Mon, 17 May 2004 09:36:27 +0100, "ChrisM" <ask.me.if@you. need.it>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
> >FFS!
> >
> >It's FREEWARE! The guy wrote a little utility (I'm guessing he needed it[/color][/color]
for[color=blue][color=green]
> >somthing) decided that others could find it useful, and generously made[/color][/color]
it[color=blue][color=green]
> >available for free.
> >
> >If you want all sorts of flashy functionality, go pay for your software.[/color][/color]
Or[color=blue][color=green]
> >better still, write it yourself and make it FREELY available to everyone
> >else.
> >
> >ChrisM
> >
> >"songie D" <songie@d.com > wrote in message
> >news:%23BXPl6m OEHA.3896@TK2MS FTNGP12.phx.gbl ...[/color]
> [snip][/color]

[Larry Serflaten]

Re: Here's what I've decided to do [Was: Should I raise a fuss over this?]

(TOP POSTING CORRECTED)

"B0nj" <b@nj> wrote
[color=blue][color=green]
> > "songie D" <songie@d.com > wrote in message[color=darkred]
> > > And..... the skill involved in writing that program prevails
> > > itself where, exactly?[/color][/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> > It's FREEWARE! The guy wrote a little utility (I'm guessing he needed it
> > for somthing) decided that others could find it useful, and generously made it
> > available for free.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> Yes but it's a fu cking emabarassment![/color]

Ever hear about the pot calling the kettle black?

LFS

[color=blue][color=green]
> > "songie D" <songie@d.com > wrote in message[color=darkred]
> > > And..... the skill involved in writing that program prevails
> > > itself where, exactly?[/color][/color][/color]

[ChrisM]

Re: Here's what I've decided to do [Was: Should I raise a fuss over this?]

Group:
Yea, I know about 'Dont feed the trolls' and all that, and I did think about
ignoring this post, with a bit of luck, people like this will hopefully go
away if no-one takes any notice, but the arrogance of this post annoyed me
too much to keep quiet.

B0nj:
All very well if you are a developer, but believe it or not, there are one
or two people around that might have a requirement for a simple app such as
this, but DONT KNOW HOW TO WRITE CODE!!
In fact, though I am a professional developer, if I had a digital camera, or
had some other reason to rename large numbers of files on a regular basis, I
would quite probably install it on my PC (and keep it for when I needed
it). Why waste my time writing somthing that has already been done. I've got
better things to do with my life!
[color=blue]
> For you, it's maybe OK - if a little OTT. For others, it would
> be quicker to knock up a quick vbs to do exactly what they want,
> than to search for your program, download it, configure it,
> test it, use it, debug it, etc etc, then uninstall it again?[/color]

Hmm, lets think this through:
Search for the program well what would that take, a minute or two if you
started from one of the popular share/free ware sites? Granted you might
not find this particular program that fast but that's not really the point,
you would find somthing suitable.
Download it, 30 seconds?
Install it maybe a minute? if it even needed installing
Test it, Debug it??? Apart from running it in a small hash directory first
to make sure it does what you want/expect, I don't think you really need
much testing, and how do you debug a downloaded exe anyway? But OK, lets say
60 seconds to run it once in a small sub-directory because you want to be
sure you understand what it does.

If you think you could write, test,debug an app that did this (even VBS) in
3 minutes then I bow to your superior coding skills, but somehow, I don't
think so. Also, seeing as this app is not aimed at developers, but
end-users, maybe you should write it in a programming language you are not
familiar with!!

<insulting closing remark restrained with some difficulty!>

ChrisM