VB.net 2008 ??

[Michel Posseth [MCP]]

Re: VB.net 2008 ??

hmm

Too many classic VB programmers lacked proper computer science training.
They scripted together application that consisted of sphagetti events
and code.

This sounds as a phrase of a person who did this study and believes that
every person who has not done this study is a lesser programmer, ever heard
of autodidactism ? well i am one

My code was reviewed by severall externall bureaus and i never got anny
complaints
and yes i did projects for serious company`s that were so important that
every line of code was checked and double checked before it could be tested
in production environment

And yes i have also seen bad coding from people with a , C , C++ , Delphi
etc etc etc background
and to be honnest i have seen bad coding from people who hold university
degrees in computer sciences

For me a person who has studied is a person who holds the basic knowledge
to maybe become a good coder

Okay VB has a broad comunity of wannabe coders i agree with that but as long
as they now there place there is nothing wrong with that
it would be a problem if these people are defining the standards in a
language

>Moving to .NET, these programmers failed to upgrade their skills and
continued to write procedurally in an object oriented language.

Every coder should always upgrade there skills, otherwise his knowledge wil
get outdated and he wil get of the market wich in the end wil solve the
problem :-)


just my opinion

Michel


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>VB6 a bad image ? why it suited its purpose , VB6 was at its time a
>True RAD wich C++ was obviously not , so people who compare these 2
>do not know where they are talking about in the first place , and yes
>it is true that VB6 was compared to C++ and blown away by the so
>called power of C++ lots of things could not be done in VB6 that could
>be done in C++ however people forgot that i could deliver data aware
>applications to my customers in sometimes a few hours or days while
>the C++ people were developing for weeks and could not deliver stable
>progs ( yes in practice i have done lots of these projects also
>against Delphi proggers by the way )
>>
>It was always funny to notice the reaction from people ( ict managers
>of hughe companys ) when they discovered that the company that could
>deliver on time with a functional program were the end users were
>verry pleased with , that had a installation package that could be
>used by the end user , that costed a fraction of the product of
>concurent company`s , and that was verry flexible with alterations
>after release , actually was written in VB 6 !!

>
>
Too many classic VB programmers lacked proper computer science training.
They scripted together application that consisted of sphagetti events
and code.
>
Moving to .NET, these programmers failed to upgrade their skills and
continued to write procedurally in an object oriented language.
>
VB6 programmers also tend to focus on the GUI rather than the structure
of the code... I have to deal with it at work all the time. <sigh>
>
I'm sure there are good VB6 programmers... but the ones I met... oh god.

[Michel Posseth [MCP]]

Re: VB.net 2008 ??

Well Cor

The pain felt was about this

All the bad image of VB.Net comes from VB6. C# is definitly better then
that, while VB.Net is in my idea better then C#, however who knows that,
only true developpers.

I missed the part that you can`t compare VB6 this way that is why i filled
the blanks in my reaction on yours :-)

goodnight

Michel




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Michel,
>
And what is that you wrote in contradiction to what I did?
Probably only your perception.
Please, read it again, but then with another eye on it.
:-)
>
Cor

[=?Utf-8?B?RGVubmlz?=]

Re: VB.net 2008 ??

True and us end users have to deal with sods that have well structured
programs and lousy gui's
--
Dennis in Houston


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"Michel Posseth [MCP]" <MSDN@posseth.c omwrote in
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VB6 a bad image ? why it suited its purpose , VB6 was at its time a
True RAD wich C++ was obviously not , so people who compare these 2
do not know where they are talking about in the first place , and yes
it is true that VB6 was compared to C++ and blown away by the so
called power of C++ lots of things could not be done in VB6 that could
be done in C++ however people forgot that i could deliver data aware
applications to my customers in sometimes a few hours or days while
the C++ people were developing for weeks and could not deliver stable
progs ( yes in practice i have done lots of these projects also
against Delphi proggers by the way )

It was always funny to notice the reaction from people ( ict managers
of hughe companys ) when they discovered that the company that could
deliver on time with a functional program were the end users were
verry pleased with , that had a installation package that could be
used by the end user , that costed a fraction of the product of
concurent company`s , and that was verry flexible with alterations
after release , actually was written in VB 6 !!

>
>
Too many classic VB programmers lacked proper computer science training.
They scripted together application that consisted of sphagetti events
and code.
>
Moving to .NET, these programmers failed to upgrade their skills and
continued to write procedurally in an object oriented language.
>
VB6 programmers also tend to focus on the GUI rather than the structure
of the code... I have to deal with it at work all the time. <sigh>
>
I'm sure there are good VB6 programmers... but the ones I met... oh god.
>

[CMoya]

Re: VB.net 2008 ??

Well said.

I'd only add that IMO I think *early* experience (early teens) with any
computer language (preferably with some low level... Assembly, C, etc... not
macros) is more important than a CS degree and way way better than
later(relativel y) in life vocational training (which I've been seeing a lot
of lately). All the best programmers I know have been coding since they were
13. In my hiring experience, the CS BS/BA degree holders who never touched a
piece of code until they got into college are some of the worst non-creative
thinking programmers I've ever met (I'm sure there are exceptions).

--
-C. Moya

http://www.cmoya.com

"Michel Posseth [MCP]" <msnews@posseth .comwrote in message
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hmm
>

>Too many classic VB programmers lacked proper computer science training.
>They scripted together application that consisted of sphagetti events
>and code.

>
This sounds as a phrase of a person who did this study and believes that
every person who has not done this study is a lesser programmer, ever
heard of autodidactism ? well i am one
>
My code was reviewed by severall externall bureaus and i never got anny
complaints
and yes i did projects for serious company`s that were so important that
every line of code was checked and double checked before it could be
tested in production environment
>
And yes i have also seen bad coding from people with a , C , C++ ,
Delphi etc etc etc background
and to be honnest i have seen bad coding from people who hold university
degrees in computer sciences
>
For me a person who has studied is a person who holds the basic knowledge
to maybe become a good coder
>
Okay VB has a broad comunity of wannabe coders i agree with that but as
long as they now there place there is nothing wrong with that
it would be a problem if these people are defining the standards in a
language
>

>>Moving to .NET, these programmers failed to upgrade their skills and
>continued to write procedurally in an object oriented language.

>
Every coder should always upgrade there skills, otherwise his knowledge
wil get outdated and he wil get of the market wich in the end wil solve
the problem :-)
>
>
just my opinion
>
Michel
>
>
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>"Michel Posseth [MCP]" <MSDN@posseth.c omwrote in
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>>

>>VB6 a bad image ? why it suited its purpose , VB6 was at its time a
>>True RAD wich C++ was obviously not , so people who compare these 2
>>do not know where they are talking about in the first place , and yes
>>it is true that VB6 was compared to C++ and blown away by the so
>>called power of C++ lots of things could not be done in VB6 that could
>>be done in C++ however people forgot that i could deliver data aware
>>application s to my customers in sometimes a few hours or days while
>>the C++ people were developing for weeks and could not deliver stable
>>progs ( yes in practice i have done lots of these projects also
>>against Delphi proggers by the way )
>>>
>>It was always funny to notice the reaction from people ( ict managers
>>of hughe companys ) when they discovered that the company that could
>>deliver on time with a functional program were the end users were
>>verry pleased with , that had a installation package that could be
>>used by the end user , that costed a fraction of the product of
>>concurent company`s , and that was verry flexible with alterations
>>after release , actually was written in VB 6 !!

>>
>>
>Too many classic VB programmers lacked proper computer science training.
>They scripted together application that consisted of sphagetti events
>and code.
>>
>Moving to .NET, these programmers failed to upgrade their skills and
>continued to write procedurally in an object oriented language.
>>
>VB6 programmers also tend to focus on the GUI rather than the structure
>of the code... I have to deal with it at work all the time. <sigh>
>>
>I'm sure there are good VB6 programmers... but the ones I met... oh god.

>
>