Setup questions

[Bob]

I want my aps to the insalled as was the old way under c:\Program
files\Myapp or give the user the choice as before of installing the app in
another folder location.

That again no longer seems to be the default way things are done when you
publish an app in Vs2005, Microsoft has again <GGGG> seen in their infinite
wisdom that they needed to build a better mousetrap for us. Now they
install app somewhere in the mydocuments folder structure, ridiculous!

I like to keep things simple, but for my users I would like to wrap the
distribution of a windows form app in a setup to give users some choices
like where to install.

How can I make a setup program as we did in the good lod days when you could
ask your installer where to put it and it would chooose C:\Program files by
default. Otherwise I guess I,ll have to use XCOPY deployment, until they
change that on us too, that is <GGG>

Thanks for any help.

Bob

[tomb]

Re: Setup questions

There is a very inexpensive, very versatile installer called Z-UP MAKER,
I found it a few years ago. Almost as good as InstallShield. I used it
for a client that didn't want to spend a thousand dollars on an
installer. You can download it here:

http://www.download.com/Z-Up-Maker/3640-2216_4-10120329.html?sb=0&v=1

<http://www.download.co m/Z-Up-Maker/3640-2216_4-10120329.html?s b=0&v=1>

T

Bob wrote:
[color=blue]
>I want my aps to the insalled as was the old way under c:\Program
>files\Myapp or give the user the choice as before of installing the app in
>another folder location.
>
>That again no longer seems to be the default way things are done when you
>publish an app in Vs2005, Microsoft has again <GGGG> seen in their infinite
>wisdom that they needed to build a better mousetrap for us. Now they
>install app somewhere in the mydocuments folder structure, ridiculous!
>
>I like to keep things simple, but for my users I would like to wrap the
>distribution of a windows form app in a setup to give users some choices
>like where to install.
>
>How can I make a setup program as we did in the good lod days when you could
>ask your installer where to put it and it would chooose C:\Program files by
>default. Otherwise I guess I,ll have to use XCOPY deployment, until they
>change that on us too, that is <GGG>
>
>Thanks for any help.
>
>Bob
>
>
>
>[/color]

[gene kelley]

Re: Setup questions

On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:09:18 -0400, "Bob" <bdufour@sgiims .com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>I want my aps to the insalled as was the old way under c:\Program
>files\Myapp or give the user the choice as before of installing the app in
>another folder location.
>
>That again no longer seems to be the default way things are done when you
>publish an app in Vs2005, Microsoft has again <GGGG> seen in their infinite
>wisdom that they needed to build a better mousetrap for us. Now they
>install app somewhere in the mydocuments folder structure, ridiculous!
>
>I like to keep things simple, but for my users I would like to wrap the
>distribution of a windows form app in a setup to give users some choices
>like where to install.
>
>How can I make a setup program as we did in the good lod days when you could
>ask your installer where to put it and it would chooose C:\Program files by
>default. Otherwise I guess I,ll have to use XCOPY deployment, until they
>change that on us too, that is <GGG>
>
>Thanks for any help.
>
>Bob
>[/color]

I don't know what you are doing there, but, here, when creating a
setup and deploymnet project for a solution, "C:\ProgramFile s\ ...."
is the default install path. The setup package has a number of
customizable options and is very complete.

Gene

[Cor Ligthert [MVP]]

Re: Setup questions

Exactly written as my thought was.

:-)

Cor

"gene kelley" <okay@by.me> schreef in bericht
news:r05r92l76q 0g7famc929lqevm veju0j918@4ax.c om...[color=blue]
> On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:09:18 -0400, "Bob" <bdufour@sgiims .com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>I want my aps to the insalled as was the old way under c:\Program
>>files\Myapp or give the user the choice as before of installing the app in
>>another folder location.
>>
>>That again no longer seems to be the default way things are done when you
>>publish an app in Vs2005, Microsoft has again <GGGG> seen in their
>>infinite
>>wisdom that they needed to build a better mousetrap for us. Now they
>>install app somewhere in the mydocuments folder structure, ridiculous!
>>
>>I like to keep things simple, but for my users I would like to wrap the
>>distributio n of a windows form app in a setup to give users some choices
>>like where to install.
>>
>>How can I make a setup program as we did in the good lod days when you
>>could
>>ask your installer where to put it and it would chooose C:\Program files
>>by
>>default. Otherwise I guess I,ll have to use XCOPY deployment, until they
>>change that on us too, that is <GGG>
>>
>>Thanks for any help.
>>
>>Bob
>>[/color]
>
> I don't know what you are doing there, but, here, when creating a
> setup and deploymnet project for a solution, "C:\ProgramFile s\ ...."
> is the default install path. The setup package has a number of
> customizable options and is very complete.
>
> Gene[/color]

[Michel Posseth [MCP]]

Re: Setup questions


Why pay for what you can get for free ?


1. the installer deleivered with VS is great you can even use merge modules
from installshield they are fully compatible
if you download the ORCA tool you can customize everything in your installer
package ( see the free SDK`s )

2. there are lots of free tools see sourceforge for instance and search on
installers


regards

Michel Posseth [MCP]

"tomb" <tomb@technetce nter.com> schreef in bericht
news:Wkbng.3147 3$EX2.16521@big news5.bellsouth .net...[color=blue]
> There is a very inexpensive, very versatile installer called Z-UP MAKER, I
> found it a few years ago. Almost as good as InstallShield. I used it for
> a client that didn't want to spend a thousand dollars on an installer.
> You can download it here:
> http://www.download.com/Z-Up-Maker/3....html?sb=0&v=1
> <http://www.download.co m/Z-Up-Maker/3640-2216_4-10120329.html?s b=0&v=1>
>
> T
>
> Bob wrote:
>[color=green]
>>I want my aps to the insalled as was the old way under c:\Program
>>files\Myapp or give the user the choice as before of installing the app in
>>another folder location.
>>
>>That again no longer seems to be the default way things are done when you
>>publish an app in Vs2005, Microsoft has again <GGGG> seen in their
>>infinite wisdom that they needed to build a better mousetrap for us. Now
>>they install app somewhere in the mydocuments folder structure,
>>ridiculous!
>>
>>I like to keep things simple, but for my users I would like to wrap the
>>distributio n of a windows form app in a setup to give users some choices
>>like where to install.
>>
>>How can I make a setup program as we did in the good lod days when you
>>could ask your installer where to put it and it would chooose C:\Program
>>files by default. Otherwise I guess I,ll have to use XCOPY deployment,
>>until they change that on us too, that is <GGG>
>>
>>Thanks for any help.
>>
>>Bob
>>
>>
>>[/color][/color]

[james]

Re: Setup questions


"Bob" <bdufour@sgiims .com> wrote in message
news:%23icAi63l GHA.3632@TK2MSF TNGP03.phx.gbl. ..[color=blue]
>I want my aps to the insalled as was the old way under c:\Program
>files\Myapp or give the user the choice as before of installing the app in
>another folder location.
>
> That again no longer seems to be the default way things are done when you
> publish an app in Vs2005, Microsoft has again <GGGG> seen in their
> infinite wisdom that they needed to build a better mousetrap for us. Now
> they install app somewhere in the mydocuments folder structure,
> ridiculous!
>
> I like to keep things simple, but for my users I would like to wrap the
> distribution of a windows form app in a setup to give users some choices
> like where to install.
>
> How can I make a setup program as we did in the good lod days when you
> could ask your installer where to put it and it would chooose C:\Program
> files by default. Otherwise I guess I,ll have to use XCOPY deployment,
> until they change that on us too, that is <GGG>
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Bob[/color]



If you are using ClickOnce Deployment, then the app does go into MyDocuments
by default (and cannot be changed). But, if you are using a Setup Project,
you can place the app in Program Files or let your end user install to where
ever they want. Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition and above have the
options for ClickOnce Deployment or Setup Projects. The Express Editions do
not. They ony have ClickOnce Deployment built-in. If you are using one of
the Express Editions and want something other than ClickOnce Deployment,
then you will need to find a 3rd party installer. Either a free one, or one
you pay for.
james

[Bob]

Re: Setup questions

Thanks guys, I did find that there was another installer instead of the
click-once that let me create setup projects. I was familiar with that one
in 2003 but I thought that the Deploy application item was the replacement
of that. Obviously not!
So now I made a setup project and all is well that ends well.

But why did they make the clickone deployment go into Mydocuments instead of
under program files?

For years that was the designated most desirable location for programs. Now
it goes under a user's documents?

Man, how many clicks you think are going to be needed to get clickonce to
work in the real world? Sounds like the making of a tech support nightmare
to me! I can see all the calls I'd be getting, Geezz I just logged in this
other computer and the desktop icon that I'm used to is not there. THINGS
AREN'T WORKING AND ITS YOUR FAULT! Its not nice to see an old man cry.

Oh,well, let them dream, thats what life is all about anyways :-)

Bob



"james" <jjames700REMOV EME@earthlink.n et> wrote in message
news:eUyKoPImGH A.1488@TK2MSFTN GP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>
> "Bob" <bdufour@sgiims .com> wrote in message
> news:%23icAi63l GHA.3632@TK2MSF TNGP03.phx.gbl. ..[color=green]
>>I want my aps to the insalled as was the old way under c:\Program
>>files\Myapp or give the user the choice as before of installing the app in
>>another folder location.
>>
>> That again no longer seems to be the default way things are done when you
>> publish an app in Vs2005, Microsoft has again <GGGG> seen in their
>> infinite wisdom that they needed to build a better mousetrap for us. Now
>> they install app somewhere in the mydocuments folder structure,
>> ridiculous!
>>
>> I like to keep things simple, but for my users I would like to wrap the
>> distribution of a windows form app in a setup to give users some choices
>> like where to install.
>>
>> How can I make a setup program as we did in the good lod days when you
>> could ask your installer where to put it and it would chooose C:\Program
>> files by default. Otherwise I guess I,ll have to use XCOPY deployment,
>> until they change that on us too, that is <GGG>
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>>
>> Bob[/color]
>
>
>
> If you are using ClickOnce Deployment, then the app does go into
> MyDocuments by default (and cannot be changed). But, if you are using a
> Setup Project, you can place the app in Program Files or let your end user
> install to where ever they want. Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition and
> above have the options for ClickOnce Deployment or Setup Projects. The
> Express Editions do not. They ony have ClickOnce Deployment built-in. If
> you are using one of the Express Editions and want something other than
> ClickOnce Deployment, then you will need to find a 3rd party installer.
> Either a free one, or one you pay for.
> james
>
>
>[/color]

[gene kelley]

Re: Setup questions

On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:50:30 -0400, "Bob" <bdufour@sgiims .com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Thanks guys, I did find that there was another installer instead of the
>click-once that let me create setup projects. I was familiar with that one
>in 2003 but I thought that the Deploy application item was the replacement
>of that. Obviously not!
>So now I made a setup project and all is well that ends well.
>
>But why did they make the clickone deployment go into Mydocuments instead of
>under program files?
>
>For years that was the designated most desirable location for programs. Now
>it goes under a user's documents?
>
>Man, how many clicks you think are going to be needed to get clickonce to
>work in the real world? Sounds like the making of a tech support nightmare
>to me! I can see all the calls I'd be getting, Geezz I just logged in this
>other computer and the desktop icon that I'm used to is not there. THINGS
>AREN'T WORKING AND ITS YOUR FAULT! Its not nice to see an old man cry.
>
>Oh,well, let them dream, thats what life is all about anyways :-)
>
>Bob
>
>
>
>"james" <jjames700REMOV EME@earthlink.n et> wrote in message
>news:eUyKoPImG HA.1488@TK2MSFT NGP02.phx.gbl.. .[color=green]
>>
>> "Bob" <bdufour@sgiims .com> wrote in message
>> news:%23icAi63l GHA.3632@TK2MSF TNGP03.phx.gbl. ..[color=darkred]
>>>I want my aps to the insalled as was the old way under c:\Program
>>>files\Myap p or give the user the choice as before of installing the app in
>>>another folder location.
>>>
>>> That again no longer seems to be the default way things are done when you
>>> publish an app in Vs2005, Microsoft has again <GGGG> seen in their
>>> infinite wisdom that they needed to build a better mousetrap for us. Now
>>> they install app somewhere in the mydocuments folder structure,
>>> ridiculous!
>>>
>>> I like to keep things simple, but for my users I would like to wrap the
>>> distribution of a windows form app in a setup to give users some choices
>>> like where to install.
>>>
>>> How can I make a setup program as we did in the good lod days when you
>>> could ask your installer where to put it and it would chooose C:\Program
>>> files by default. Otherwise I guess I,ll have to use XCOPY deployment,
>>> until they change that on us too, that is <GGG>
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help.
>>>
>>> Bob[/color]
>>
>>
>>
>> If you are using ClickOnce Deployment, then the app does go into
>> MyDocuments by default (and cannot be changed). But, if you are using a
>> Setup Project, you can place the app in Program Files or let your end user
>> install to where ever they want. Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition and
>> above have the options for ClickOnce Deployment or Setup Projects. The
>> Express Editions do not. They ony have ClickOnce Deployment built-in. If
>> you are using one of the Express Editions and want something other than
>> ClickOnce Deployment, then you will need to find a 3rd party installer.
>> Either a free one, or one you pay for.
>> james
>>
>>
>>[/color]
>[/color]

I believe that under certain network setups, some users do not have
permissions to install or write anything to "C:\Program s" , but a
user's MyDocuments is always available to all logged on users.

Gene