Microsoft! whether we can upload the projects (in .zip file) ?

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

Re: Microsoft! whether we can upload the projects (in .zip file) ?

* "Cor" <non@non.com> scripsit:[color=blue]
> Maybe it is good to contribute that link to all Microsoft German newsgroups,
> it seems the are using the wrong netetiqete (that is not a rule of course).
>
> What do you think about that idea, we cannot leave those people with the
> wrong style from posting.[/color]

I will include 1 MB attachments in my future posts to Fergus and you.

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Cor]

Re: Microsoft! whether we can upload the projects (in .zip file) ?

Herfried,

I have fun with this, I was looking for a German site where this was on, but
could not find it, than I had added that as a link.

:-)

But seriously, I think FTP is too no option and a Website too not. Not
everybody has that direct to his posibilities. By instance in larger
companies it is for the developers almost unreachable because of security
issues.

What is wisdom, I would that I had the answer.

Cor

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

Re: Microsoft! whether we can upload the projects (in .zip file) ?

Hi Cor,

* "Cor" <non@non.com> scripsit:[color=blue]
> I have fun with this, I was looking for a German site where this was on, but
> could not find it, than I had added that as a link.[/color]

<http://support.microso ft.com/default.aspx?sc id=fh;DE;NGNeti kette>

You can use Google to translate it.
[color=blue]
> But seriously, I think FTP is too no option and a Website too not. Not
> everybody has that direct to his posibilities. By instance in larger
> companies it is for the developers almost unreachable because of security
> issues.[/color]

You forgot to mention email.

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Cor]

Re: Microsoft! whether we can upload the projects (in .zip file) ?

Hi Herfried,[color=blue]
> <http://support.microso ft.com/default.aspx?sc id=fh;DE;NGNeti kette>
>
> You can use Google to translate it.
>[/color]
Sei OT. Questo è un newsgroup dedicato al solo vb.net. Puoi provare a
chiedere su microsoft.publi c.it.vb.[color=blue]
>[/color]
You can use Google to translate it[color=blue]
>
>You forgot to mention email.
>[/color]
That is absolutly against all newsgroup community rules.
Every individual can choose for it, but it can never be a rule in a
newsgroup community.[color=blue]
>[/color]
For English readers, beneatj is a part of the netetiquete from the German
Microsoft Site.
I keep it untranslated because otherwise we can start making a thread about
simple words. Who wants to translate it, use www.babelfish.org please.

Anhänge sind in den Microsoft-Newsgroups generell unerwünscht. Sie
verlängern für die User lediglich die Downloadzeit auch wenn sie sie gar
nicht lesen möchten. Auch die Virengefahr ist bei Attachments nicht zu
unterschätzen. Die meisten User, besonders die Stammuser, übergehen solche
Postings. Verweisen Sie lieber in Ihrem Posting mit Links auf entsprechende
Downloadmöglich keiten bzw. auf die Quelle Ihrer Informationen im Web.

In this text is nothing that Fergus(I think) or I(for sure) do not agree
with

But there is nowhere written "Verboten"

Cor

[Armin Zingler]

Re: Microsoft! whether we can upload the projects (in .zip file) ?

From de.newusers.inf os: (like the 'bible' of the usenet)

MsgId: de-newusers-infos/netiquette/20031024-1@krell.zikzak. de



My translation of #16:

16. Attention with binaries and multipart messages!

Binary files (graphics, music, executables etc.) are unwelcome in the
discussion groups of this network. For binary files, there are specialized
groups. In general it is better to do without binary files in the usenet,
but instead to point to download possibilities via FTP or WWW.

The same applies to so called "multipart" messages. [...] In the "de.*"
hierarchy it is common practice to use plain text only.




--
Armin

[Cor]

Re: Microsoft! whether we can upload the projects (in .zip file) ?

Hi Armin,[color=blue]
>
> Binary files (graphics, music, executables etc.) are unwelcome in the
> discussion groups of this network. For binary files, there are specialized
> groups. In general it is better to do without binary files in the usenet,
> but instead to point to download possibilities via FTP or WWW.[/color]

I totally can agree with above.

But program code which we are talking about are text file, not binaires.

Cor

[Cor]

Re: Microsoft! whether we can upload the projects (in .zip file) ?

>[color=blue]
> Did you hate it when the servers didn't work some weeks ago? This was
> caused by the attachments added to the worm posts. If attachments would
> be forbidden in general, there would be fewer problems.
>[/color]

This is finding a reason, mostly used by people when they starts to see he
cannot win with normal arguments.

Cor

[Fergus Cooney]

Re: Microsoft! whether we can upload the projects (in .zip file) ?

Hi Herfried,

Don't forget to keep that commanding tone in your voice. I'm sure
Microsoft will jump to it as much as everyone else who you order around.

In the meantime, I'll ask them politely to replace that <outdated>
netiquette in the German newsgroup with the correct English version.

Regards,
Fergus

[Fergus Cooney]

Re: Microsoft! whether we can upload the projects (in .zip file) ?

Hi herfried,

You can post as many 1MB attachments as you like. That would be fine. I
would exercise my option not to download them. You might make some other
people upset, though.

Just don't do 1MB of in-line text. That would piss a million people off!

Regards,
Fergus

[Fergus Cooney]

Re: Microsoft! whether we can upload the projects (in .zip file) ?

Hi Herfreid,

Having read the German netiquette, I must ask you to reconsider sending
1MB attachments.

The German rules clearly state

Do not hang plants from your postings.


However, if you would like to have InterFlora deliver them to my door,
that would be great! Some Tulips would be cheerful, but that's more Cor's
line - you can send me some Edelweiss ;-)

Regards,
Fergus

[steve]

Re: Microsoft! whether we can upload the projects (in .zip file) ?

let me stick up for herfried with whom i am in total agreement!
[color=blue]
> This is finding a reason, mostly used by people when they starts to see he
> cannot win with normal arguments.[/color]

in this context, this is the most inane comment someone could make!
netiquette is founded on "reasons"...els e, it's a free-for-all! there's a
very good "reason" why it is impolite to cross-post, demean participants,
post off-topic comments, double post comments, etc. they are there for the
health, growth, and protection of those who want to participate in the
group.
[color=blue][color=green]
> > Did you hate it when the servers didn't work some weeks ago? This was
> > caused by the attachments added to the worm posts. If attachments would
> > be forbidden in general, there would be fewer problems.[/color][/color]

this statement is an example of why it is pragmatically logical *not* to
allow, or to discourage, posting messages w/ attachments. the second
pragmatic reason is that very few people will be willing to open an entire
project to debug someone's crappy code. posting it by default is an
assumptive and resource consuming activity...ofte n self-defeating. snippets
of code are much better. if someone really want's to debug a faulty
application for someone else, then the op can *email* it to them w/o
bothering anyone in the ng and w/o burdening the hosting ng. server. if the
goal of posting solutions w/n the group is for the benefit of all, then
posting attached projects is even counter productive to that end as
well...an entire application is too much information scattered about...you'd
have to say: "i did this here, tweeked this there, finally genuflect over
here...and now it works".

if i'm a little more than miffed at the comments you've been making, i'm
sure herfried has a right to be even moreso...since the brunt of your
comments have been directly aimed at him.

herfried, here's to your patience...you haven't seemed to loose your top
yet. ;^)

fft cor,

steve

[Fergus Cooney]

Re: Microsoft! whether we can upload the projects (in .zip file) ?

Hi Cor,

|| Sei OT. Questo è un newsgroup dedicato al solo vb.net. Puoi
|| provare a chiedere su microsoft.publi c.it.vb.

ROFL.

With regard to the rule about hanging plants, I would probably agree with
the first sentence and would wish to add extra words to all the others. This
might make them less clear cut but, in my mind, they would become more
accurate.

Such a writing style would not be appropriate for that page though - it is
short and sharp and necessarily sacrifices accuracy in order to gain
understandabili ty.

There are also a <lot> of rules. <<A lot>>. What was it you were saying
about the Germans not having more rules, Herfried?

Regards,
Fergus

[Cor]

Re: Microsoft! whether we can upload the projects (in .zip file) ?

>[color=blue]
> However, if you would like to have InterFlora deliver them to my door,
> that would be great! Some Tulips would be cheerful, but that's more Cor's
> line - you can send me some Edelweiss ;-)
>[/color]
ROFL really

[Cor]

Re: Microsoft! whether we can upload the projects (in .zip file) ?

Hi Steve,

We totaly agree with each other.

And I never offend Herfried, Nick onces said that I love him.

But I don't like it when new arguments come in, which has nothing to do with
the case.

A good programmer will make the right solution to prevent those problems.

:-))

Cor

[Fergus Cooney]

Re: Microsoft! whether we can upload the projects (in .zip file) ?

Hi Armin,

Thanks for the link but unfortunately it's an invitation to post rather
than a web page to read! Do you have a web link?

Regards,
Fergus