Error Codes

[Peter]

Hi,
About four years ago I got a list of error codes for
Visual Basic / Access. However we had a fire in our
building and I lost the print out and I cannot remember
where I got the list. Can anyone tell me where I can get
it again.

Thanks in advance

Peter Gavin

[Armin Zingler]

Re: Error Codes

"Peter" <anonymous@disc ussions.microso ft.com> schrieb[color=blue]
> About four years ago I got a list of error codes for
> Visual Basic / Access. However we had a fire in our
> building and I lost the print out and I cannot remember
> where I got the list. Can anyone tell me where I can get
> it again.[/color]

You should ask in a "Visual Basic / Access" group. This is a VB.NET (dotnet)
group.


--
Armin

[Peter]

Re: Error Codes

Sorry
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>-----Original Message-----
>"Peter" <anonymous@disc ussions.microso ft.com> schrieb[color=green]
>> About four years ago I got a list of error codes for
>> Visual Basic / Access. However we had a fire in our
>> building and I lost the print out and I cannot remember
>> where I got the list. Can anyone tell me where I can[/color][/color]
get[color=blue][color=green]
>> it again.[/color]
>
>You should ask in a "Visual Basic / Access" group. This[/color]
is a VB.NET (dotnet)[color=blue]
>group.
>
>
>--
>Armin
>
>.
>[/color]

[Fergus Cooney]

Re: Error Codes

Hi Armin,

See - you made him feel apologetic.

He shouldn't go away feeling told off.
He should <not> have to say sorry.

When will you understand this point about courtesy?

Regards,
Fergus

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

Re: Error Codes

* "Peter" <anonymous@disc ussions.microso ft.com> scripsit:[color=blue]
> About four years ago I got a list of error codes for
> Visual Basic / Access. However we had a fire in our
> building and I lost the print out and I cannot remember
> where I got the list. Can anyone tell me where I can get
> it again.[/color]

Post to one of the microsoft.publi c.vb.* groups.

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

Re: Error Codes

* "Fergus Cooney" <filter-1@tesco.net> scripsit:[color=blue]
> He shouldn't go away feeling told off.
> He should <not> have to say sorry.[/color]

IMO he _should_.

--
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET
<http://www.mvps.org/dotnet>

[Nice Chap]

Re: Error Codes

Hi Fergus,

If you <don't> tell him, he will wait for an answer !! but the
probability of getting an answer is much more on the VB NG than here.

When I saw your reply to the post I thought you knew where the list was
:-)

Nice Chap...

"Fergus Cooney" <filter-1@tesco.net> wrote in message
news:OS7WxSLlDH A.2140@TK2MSFTN GP09.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Hi Armin,
>
> See - you made him feel apologetic.
>
> He shouldn't go away feeling told off.
> He should <not> have to say sorry.
>
> When will you understand this point about courtesy?
>
> Regards,
> Fergus
>
>[/color]

[Armin Zingler]

Re: Error Codes

"Fergus Cooney" <filter-1@tesco.net> schrieb[color=blue]
> Hi Armin,
>
> See - you made him feel apologetic.
>
> He shouldn't go away feeling told off.
> He should <not> have to say sorry.[/color]

I didn't force him to say that. It's not wrong to say sorry, but It's also
not necessary in this case.
[color=blue]
> When will you understand this point about courtesy?[/color]

Where did I write "f*** off"? I wrote he should ask in the appropriate group
because this is a VB.NET group. That's just a piece of information and it is
still true. Alternatives are: no reply or an OT discussion. Both are worse.
There's no problem, so don't create one.

--
Armin

[Fergus Cooney]

Re: Error Codes

Why?

[Fergus Cooney]

Re: Error Codes

Hi Herfried,

ROFL Are people supposed to be humble and grovelling for making mistakes?
No, you're quite right - how dare these people think they can enter here when
it's not appropriate!! Good grief, to waste our time because they don't know
which is the right group.

Why are you not so scathing with all the other mistakes that posters make
when they come here?

It's a good job you don't spend too much time in the dotnet.general
newsgroup. They have posts like
"Lisa, have you seen Eb?"
and
Poetry!

You'd have lots of fun trying to tell <them> that that's not relevant to
..NET.

Regards,
Fergus

[Fergus Cooney]

Re: Error Codes

Hi Armin,

Then why did he apologise, if not because he felt that he ought to?
And was that not in response to your words?

Could you have used different wording such that he'd be grateful for your
advise and happy to be redirected, rather than having to bow to this superior
being who tells him that he is wrong? His image of you is likely that of some
stern schoolteacher. Are you? Is this how you wish to appear?
[color=blue]
> When will you understand this point about courtesy?[/color]

I assume it will take some time because you don't seem to distinguish
between the information given and the manner in which it is given.

Your intention may be completely benevolent. You might have the warmest
feelings in your heart when you redirect people. They only know what you say
with your terse words.

If you share Herfried's attitude that mistaken wanderers <should> feel
sorry, then I am ashamed for you too.

Regards,
Fergus

[Fergus Cooney]

Re: Error Codes

Hi Nice Chap,

True, he won't know if he's not told - but there are ways and ways.

Regards,
Fergus

[Armin Zingler]

Re: Error Codes

"Fergus Cooney" <filter-1@tesco.net> schrieb[color=blue]
> Then why did he apologise, if not because he felt that he
> ought
> to? And was that not in response to your words?[/color]

No, not the words. It was in response to the piece of information I gave
him. I've also often written "sorry, wrong group" after I saw I posted to
the wrong group.
[color=blue]
> Could you have used different wording such that he'd be
> grateful
> for your
> advise and happy to be redirected,[/color]


You must have a strange news client. You are seeing words I don't find. As
you seem to ignore what I wrote, any further discussion is useless.

Choose from one (order from most polite to least):
( ) "This is the wrong group for this question. Please turn to
<name.of.the.gr oup>"
(o) "This is the wrong group for this question. Please turn to the
appropriate group."
( ) no reply
( ) "Can't you read?"
( ) "F*** off crazy idiot"

As you can see, I've chosen the second. I could also look for the right
group for him, but as I'm not payed for this, I think I don't have to do
this each time. You must notice that it is not inpolite to give someone just
a piece of information - not more, not less.


--
Armin

[Fergus Cooney]

Re: Error Codes

Hi Armin,

I'm glad to be wrong. You <can> distinguish between the information given
and the manner in which it is given.

However, your list is limited.

Further up the range are responses where <you> can seem apologetic for
redirecting the poster. "Sorry, but this is not, perhaps, the best group",
"I'm afraid may not be able to help you here, but you could try...".

Notice how these are not definite statements - may, perhaps, could.

I expect that a response like the above would feel most uncomfortable for
you, even if it were expressing politeness rather than apology. Too British,
or too Japanese, perhaps.

What I'm saying is that <your> 'most polite' is far from <being> the most
polite. It can still be taken to imply that the poster is in the wrong rather
than simply being somewhere where they <may> not get the best answer.

And the use of the word 'wrong' is untruthful.

This is not necessarily the <wrong group>. But it may not be the best
group. Your responses imply that this group <cannot and will not> provide an
answer. This is often simply untrue - and has been proven time and time again
by someone here providing an answer.

You want to save people time by sending them away. What about the ones who
come back and say that they got very little use out of the 'correct'
newsgroup? This does happen.


|| any further discussion is useless.

Very possibly. :-(

Regards,
Fergus

[Armin Zingler]

Re: Error Codes

"Fergus Cooney" <filter-1@tesco.net> schrieb[color=blue]
>
> I'm glad to be wrong. You <can> distinguish between the
> information given
> and the manner in which it is given.
> [...][/color]

I read the whole post. I don't think your "level of politeness" is the
"everyday level" for at least 90% of the usenet users (at least not those I
read), and it also not expected. IMO it is pretty much exaggerated. I am not
inpolite, but I also don't want to sell anything. You should better fight
against these ugly TOFUs (German short for: text at the top and fullquote at
the bottom).


--
Armin