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  • omlet@omlet.org

    #16
    Re: Eliminating Combinatorial Relationship Multiplication

    Daniel Morgan <damorgan@x.was hington.edu> wrote in message news:<108883185 5.922891@yasure >...[color=blue]
    > --CELKO-- wrote:
    >[color=green]
    > > Here is the link on Amazon.com for my new book on "Trees & Hierarchies
    > > in SQL"
    > >
    > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...roduct-details
    > >
    > > Separate the tree structure from the nodes. Ilike the nested sets
    > > model for the structure, but you can pick whatever works best for your
    > > situation. Then the nodes can go into another table.
    > >
    > > The classic scenario calls for a root class with all the common
    > > attributes and then specialized sub-classes under it. As an example,
    > > let's take the class of Vehicles and find an industry standard
    > > identifier (VIN), and add two mutually exclusive sub-classes, Sport
    > > utility vehicles and sedans ('SUV', 'SED').
    > >
    > > CREATE TABLE Vehicles
    > > (vin CHAR(17) NOT NULL PRIMARY KEY,
    > > vehicle_type CHAR(3) NOT NULL
    > > CHECK(vehicle_t ype IN ('SUV', 'SED')),
    > > UNIQUE (vin, vehicle_type),
    > > ..);
    > >
    > > Notice the overlapping candidate keys. I then use a compound candidate
    > > key (vin, vehicle_type) and a constraint in each sub-class table to
    > > assure that the vehicle_type is locked and agrees with the Vehicles
    > > table. Add some DRI actions and you are done:
    > >
    > > CREATE TABLE SUV
    > > (vin CHAR(17) NOT NULL PRIMARY KEY,
    > > vehicle_type CHAR(3) DEFAULT 'SUV' NOT NULL
    > > CHECK(vehicle_t ype = 'SUV'),
    > > UNIQUE (vin, vehicle_type),
    > > FOREIGN KEY (vin, vehicle_type)
    > > REFERENCES Vehicles(vin, vehicle_type)
    > > ON UPDATE CASCADE
    > > ON DELETE CASCADE,
    > > ..);
    > >
    > > CREATE TABLE Sedans
    > > (vin CHAR(17) NOT NULL PRIMARY KEY,
    > > vehicle_type CHAR(3) DEFAULT 'SED' NOT NULL
    > > CHECK(vehicle_t ype = 'SED'),
    > > UNIQUE (vin, vehicle_type),
    > > FOREIGN KEY (vin, vehicle_type)
    > > REFERENCES Vehicles(vin, vehicle_type)
    > > ON UPDATE CASCADE
    > > ON DELETE CASCADE,
    > > ..);
    > >
    > > I can continue to build a hierarchy like this. For example, if I had
    > > a Sedans table that broke down into two-door and four-door sedans, I
    > > could a schema like this:
    > >
    > > CREATE TABLE Sedans
    > > (vin CHAR(17) NOT NULL PRIMARY KEY,
    > > vehicle_type CHAR(3) DEFAULT 'SED' NOT NULL
    > > CHECK(vehicle_t ype IN ('2DR', '4DR', 'SED')),
    > > UNIQUE (vin, vehicle_type),
    > > FOREIGN KEY (vin, vehicle_type)
    > > REFERENCES Vehicles(vin, vehicle_type)
    > > ON UPDATE CASCADE
    > > ON DELETE CASCADE,
    > > ..);
    > >
    > > CREATE TABLE TwoDoor
    > > (vin CHAR(17) NOT NULL PRIMARY KEY,
    > > vehicle_type CHAR(3) DEFAULT '2DR' NOT NULL
    > > CHECK(vehicle_t ype = '2DR'),
    > > UNIQUE (vin, vehicle_type),
    > > FOREIGN KEY (vin, vehicle_type)
    > > REFERENCES Sedans(vin, vehicle_type)
    > > ON UPDATE CASCADE
    > > ON DELETE CASCADE,
    > > ..);
    > >
    > > CREATE TABLE FourDoor
    > > (vin CHAR(17) NOT NULL PRIMARY KEY,
    > > vehicle_type CHAR(3) DEFAULT '4DR' NOT NULL
    > > CHECK(vehicle_t ype = '4DR'),
    > > UNIQUE (vin, vehicle_type),
    > > FOREIGN KEY (vin, vehicle_type)
    > > REFERENCES Sedans (vin, vehicle_type)
    > > ON UPDATE CASCADE
    > > ON DELETE CASCADE,
    > > ..);
    > >
    > > The idea is to build a chain of identifiers and types in a UNIQUE()
    > > constraint that go up the tree when you use a REFERENCES constraint.
    > > Obviously, you can do variants of this trick to get different class
    > > structures.
    > >
    > > If an entity doesn't have to be exclusively one subtype, you play with
    > > the root of the class hierarchy:
    > >
    > > CREATE TABLE Vehicles
    > > (vin CHAR(17) NOT NULL,
    > > vehicle_type CHAR(3) NOT NULL
    > > CHECK(vehicle_t ype IN ('SUV', 'SED')),
    > > PRIMARY KEY (vin, vehicle_type),
    > > ..);
    > >
    > > Now start hiding all this stuff in VIEWs immediately and add an
    > > INSTEAD OF trigger to those VIEWs.[/color]
    >
    > Joe ... sorry ... but integrity demands that I write the following:
    >
    > We have a usenet group named comp.databases. oracle.marketpl ace
    > specifically designated for promotions. In the future it would be
    > appreciated if you posted book, or any other, promotions there.
    >
    > Thanks.
    >
    > For everyone else ... I recommend Joe's books to my students and
    > highly recommend them.[/color]

    Daniel Morgan: Cannot you just shut the ffff up? Take your
    contributions and shove it! This an international newsgroup and it NOT
    yours to guard. The charter of this newsgroup is clear and does not
    allow you to add shameless lines of advertisements while denying
    others!

    So shut up! you can create your own newsgroup where you can control
    things --- you crazy control freak. Watch the movie "Tow Truck" to see
    what you look like.

    Obviously you are downgrading this group and many others to your level
    of integrity which you completely lack.

    Remember, you big jumble of Q that Oracle itself is a product! and you
    have no rights what so ever to determine what is good; and what is
    like you of what you don't like. You get it?! Read Simon's peom! Or
    download OMLET and run it and you would get random lines of insults
    and images geared specifically to YOU! Till 2010.

    Now what?!
    Right on your tail.

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    • Noons

      #17
      Re: Eliminating Combinatorial Relationship Multiplication

      omlet@omlet.org apparently said,on my timestamp of 5/07/2004 8:27 AM:[color=blue]
      >
      >
      > Daniel Morgan: Cannot you just shut the ffff up? Take your
      > contributions and shove it! This an international newsgroup and it NOT
      > yours to guard. The charter of this newsgroup is clear and does not
      > allow you to add shameless lines of advertisements while denying
      > others!
      >
      > So shut up! you can create your own newsgroup where you can control
      > things --- you crazy control freak. Watch the movie "Tow Truck" to see
      > what you look like.
      >
      > Obviously you are downgrading this group and many others to your level
      > of integrity which you completely lack.
      >
      > Remember, you big jumble of Q that Oracle itself is a product! and you
      > have no rights what so ever to determine what is good; and what is
      > like you of what you don't like. You get it?! Read Simon's peom! Or
      > download OMLET and run it and you would get random lines of insults
      > and images geared specifically to YOU! Till 2010.
      >
      > Now what?!
      > Right on your tail.[/color]

      forwarded to abuse.

      --
      Cheers
      Nuno Souto
      wizofoz2k@yahoo .com.au.nospam

      Comment

      • Daniel Morgan

        #18
        Re: Eliminating Combinatorial Relationship Multiplication

        Noons wrote:
        [color=blue]
        >
        > forwarded to abuse.
        >[/color]

        I have too as have a number of my students.

        Here's what we have found:

        Pinging omlet.org returns 66.218.79.158 which in return, when pinged,
        returns p2w2.geo.scd.ya hoo.com.

        Complaints have been filed with:
        abuse@yahoo.com
        groups-abuse@google.co m

        I encourage others to do so too and and in case anyone wonders who this
        spam-troll really is ...

        Domain Name:OMLET.ORG
        Created On:15-Jun-2004 10:54:38 UTC ... (been in business only 2 weeks)
        Sponsoring Registrar:R52-LROR
        Registrant Name:Amjad Daoud
        Registrant Street1:Queen Noor Br 07
        Registrant City:Amman
        Registrant State/Province:Amman
        Registrant Postal Code:9626
        Registrant Country:JO ... (this is the country of Jordan)
        Registrant Phone:+1.962651 63864
        Registrant Email:teraknowl edgesystems@yah oo.com

        Yes our troll lives in the country of Jordan. You can purchase a
        product from someone to use with your valuable Oracle database
        where there is not only no company behind it there is just one
        guy in a third-world country.

        Please address complaints about his spamming and abuse to:
        Tech Name:YahooDomai ns TechContact
        Tech Organization:Ya hoo! Inc
        Tech Street1:701 First Ave.
        Tech City:Sunnyvale
        Tech State/Province:CA
        Tech Postal Code:94089
        Tech Country:US
        Tech Phone:+1.619-881-3096
        Tech Email:domain.te ch@YAHOO-INC.COM
        Name Server:YNS1.YAH OO.COM
        Name Server:YNS2.YAH OO.COM

        Thank you.
        --
        Daniel Morgan
        We make it possible for you to keep learning at the University of Washington, even if you work full time or live outside of the Seattle area.

        We make it possible for you to keep learning at the University of Washington, even if you work full time or live outside of the Seattle area.

        damorgan@x.wash ington.edu
        (replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)

        Comment

        • x

          #19
          Re: Eliminating Combinatorial Relationship Multiplication

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          "Daniel Morgan" <damorgan@x.was hington.edu> wrote in message
          news:1089057907 .319050@yasure. ..[color=blue]
          > Here's what we have found:[/color]
          [color=blue]
          > I encourage others to do so too and and in case anyone wonders who this
          > spam-troll really is ...[/color]
          [color=blue]
          > Domain Name:OMLET.ORG
          > Created On:15-Jun-2004 10:54:38 UTC ... (been in business only 2 weeks)
          > Sponsoring Registrar:R52-LROR
          > Registrant Name:Amjad Daoud
          > Registrant Street1:Queen Noor Br 07
          > Registrant City:Amman
          > Registrant State/Province:Amman
          > Registrant Postal Code:9626
          > Registrant Country:JO ... (this is the country of Jordan)
          > Registrant Phone:+1.962651 63864
          > Registrant Email:teraknowl edgesystems@yah oo.com[/color]
          [color=blue]
          > Yes our troll lives in the country of Jordan. You can purchase a
          > product from someone to use with your valuable Oracle database
          > where there is not only no company behind it there is just one
          > guy in a third-world country.[/color]

          You need to be more careful about this kind of language.
          One of Amjad Daoud signatures I found on the web is:

          Amjad Daoud
          The OMLET Team Lead
          Tera Knowledge Systems, Inc.
          Arlington, Texas <--------------- This is not Jordan

          Besides: What do you have against "guys from third-world countries" ?






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          • Jeff Lanfield

            #20
            Re: Eliminating Combinatorial Relationship Multiplication

            As the original poster I would agree here. If it is solicited and
            relevant to the question asked it's not spam. I actually did end up
            buying Mr. Celko's book and can attest that it is quite useful for
            solving the class of problems I was interested in.

            While in general people should not post ads for books they wrote on
            tech newsgroups an exception should definitely be made for cases like
            this one where the book contains pretty much the exact answer.

            - Jeff


            "Marshall Spight" <mspight@dnai.c om> wrote in message news:<8KNFc.206 03$%_6.12831@at tbi_s01>...[color=blue]
            > "Daniel Morgan" <damorgan@x.was hington.edu> wrote in message news:1088887202 .344807@yasure. ..[color=green]
            > >
            > > I don't show favoritism when it come to calling spam spam. Even when it
            > > is someone as esteemed as Joe Celko.[/color]
            >
            > Spam is by definition unsolicited. An on-topic, helpful response to a
            > usenet post requesting help is by definition solicited. Your "integrity"
            > is just ball-busting on a guy who bends over backwards to help all
            > comers for free, and also happens to sell some books for which
            > he's probably lucky to clear $25,000 annually. (Trees and
            > Hierarchies in SQL doesn't have the same cachet as the latest
            > work by David Sedaris. In fact, it's Amazon's 16,754's most
            > popular item, right behind the $350 "Suunto Yachtsman Wristop
            > Computer Watch w/ Barometer and Compass", and you can
            > bet a $350 wrist barometer isn't exactly flying off the shelves.)
            >
            > You're not engaging in spam-vigilance; you're just engaging
            > in gratuitous anticommerciali sm.
            >
            >[color=green]
            > > But exactly what is it you have contributed to c.d.o.server?[/color]
            >
            > I could just as well ask what you've contributed to c.d.theory,
            > but that wasn't the point. The point was that this thread isn't
            > specific to your newsgroup; it spans multiple newsgroups.
            > Expecting someone on this thread to conform to the customs
            > of one of those newsgroups is as unrealistic as those folks in
            > Snakewater, Iowa, who get upset when they see something
            > that violates a local ordinance posted on the internet from
            > New York City.
            >
            > But the absolute frosting on the cake, the hypocritical parsley
            > on the potatoes, is the fact that both of your posts on this
            > topic so far have included links to courses you teach at
            > Washington. You're giving those courses away for free,
            > I presume? Oh, no, wait, I see; Oracle Application Development
            > is $1875. At least Joe's links to his book on Amazon were
            > pertinent to the OP's question.
            >
            >
            > Marshall[/color]

            Comment

            • Mikito Harakiri

              #21
              Re: Eliminating Combinatorial Relationship Multiplication

              "Marshall Spight" <mspight@dnai.c om> wrote in message
              news:8KNFc.2060 3$%_6.12831@att bi_s01...[color=blue]
              > ...Trees and
              > Hierarchies in SQL doesn't have the same cachet as the latest
              > work by David Sedaris. In fact, it's Amazon's 16,754's most
              > popular item, right behind the $350 "Suunto Yachtsman Wristop
              > Computer Watch w/ Barometer and Compass...[/color]

              How did you query this? Does amazon provides SQL interface nowadays?

              select book.* from books
              where rank between 15000 and 16000

              ???


              Comment

              • Ed prochak

                #22
                Re: Eliminating Combinatorial Relationship Multiplication

                "x" <x-false@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:<40ea4378@ post.usenet.com >...[color=blue]
                > **** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com ****
                >
                >
                > "Daniel Morgan" <damorgan@x.was hington.edu> wrote in message
                > news:1089057907 .319050@yasure. ..[color=green]
                > > Here's what we have found:[/color]
                >[color=green]
                > > I encourage others to do so too and and in case anyone wonders who this
                > > spam-troll really is ...[/color]
                >[color=green]
                > > Domain Name:OMLET.ORG
                > > Created On:15-Jun-2004 10:54:38 UTC ... (been in business only 2 weeks)
                > > Sponsoring Registrar:R52-LROR
                > > Registrant Name:Amjad Daoud
                > > Registrant Street1:Queen Noor Br 07
                > > Registrant City:Amman
                > > Registrant State/Province:Amman
                > > Registrant Postal Code:9626
                > > Registrant Country:JO ... (this is the country of Jordan)
                > > Registrant Phone:+1.962651 63864
                > > Registrant Email:teraknowl edgesystems@yah oo.com[/color]
                >[color=green]
                > > Yes our troll lives in the country of Jordan. You can purchase a
                > > product from someone to use with your valuable Oracle database
                > > where there is not only no company behind it there is just one
                > > guy in a third-world country.[/color]
                >
                > You need to be more careful about this kind of language.
                > One of Amjad Daoud signatures I found on the web is:
                >
                > Amjad Daoud
                > The OMLET Team Lead
                > Tera Knowledge Systems, Inc.
                > Arlington, Texas <--------------- This is not Jordan
                >
                > Besides: What do you have against "guys from third-world countries" ?
                >
                >[/color]
                He doesn't. Daniel, I and others have just been dealing with this
                troll in the ORACLE groups for a while now. And you should note that
                you presented the company address, which may be only a sales office
                and not the location of the "OMLET Team". It certainly is different
                from the residence of this guy.

                Calling Amjad a troll is certainly MUCH more polite than the crap he
                has spewed in the ORACLE groups.

                Comment

                • Joel Garry

                  #23
                  Re: Eliminating Combinatorial Relationship Multiplication

                  "x" <x-false@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:<40ea4378@ post.usenet.com >...[color=blue]
                  > **** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com ****
                  >
                  >
                  > "Daniel Morgan" <damorgan@x.was hington.edu> wrote in message
                  > news:1089057907 .319050@yasure. ..[color=green]
                  > > Here's what we have found:[/color]
                  >[color=green]
                  > > I encourage others to do so too and and in case anyone wonders who this
                  > > spam-troll really is ...[/color]
                  >[color=green]
                  > > Domain Name:OMLET.ORG
                  > > Created On:15-Jun-2004 10:54:38 UTC ... (been in business only 2 weeks)
                  > > Sponsoring Registrar:R52-LROR
                  > > Registrant Name:Amjad Daoud
                  > > Registrant Street1:Queen Noor Br 07
                  > > Registrant City:Amman
                  > > Registrant State/Province:Amman
                  > > Registrant Postal Code:9626
                  > > Registrant Country:JO ... (this is the country of Jordan)
                  > > Registrant Phone:+1.962651 63864
                  > > Registrant Email:teraknowl edgesystems@yah oo.com[/color]
                  >[color=green]
                  > > Yes our troll lives in the country of Jordan. You can purchase a
                  > > product from someone to use with your valuable Oracle database
                  > > where there is not only no company behind it there is just one
                  > > guy in a third-world country.[/color]
                  >
                  > You need to be more careful about this kind of language.
                  > One of Amjad Daoud signatures I found on the web is:
                  >
                  > Amjad Daoud
                  > The OMLET Team Lead
                  > Tera Knowledge Systems, Inc.
                  > Arlington, Texas <--------------- This is not Jordan[/color]

                  But check out eggy-weggies email, it's Jordanian. Not that that means
                  anything, I certainly am not in Tonga or oz as some of my web presence
                  may imply. But he says Sunnyvale, and Texas, and the registration is
                  on Queen Noor's... something. All-in-all, not a situation a rational
                  person would want to take advice or a product from. And wassup with
                  the 619 area code on the Sunnyvale provider, a cell?
                  [color=blue]
                  >
                  > Besides: What do you have against "guys from third-world countries" ?[/color]

                  There are matters of security, economics, legal liability and trust
                  involved.

                  But besides that, rotten egg seems to have gone well into
                  net-psychoses, cyberstalking anyone who he perceives as attacking him,
                  which is pretty much anyone acknowledging his existence. Not a pretty
                  sight. DM has once again made a fast, correct call about a spammer.

                  As far as celko, I thought DM was suitably polite in explaining the
                  plug issue. It was a minor gaffe on celko's part, perfectly
                  understandable, DM didn't "break his balls." I would say DM should
                  have ignored it giving the crossposting, but he clearly is making an
                  effort to be fair and non-partisan when netcopping. My bias is
                  towards letting people plug their work amid a useful answer, but DM
                  has almost convinced me his way is better.

                  jg
                  --
                  @home.com is bogus.
                  Internet meltdown, news at 11:

                  Comment

                  • Gene Wirchenko

                    #24
                    Re: Eliminating Combinatorial Relationship Multiplication

                    jlanfield2003@y ahoo.com (Jeff Lanfield) wrote:
                    [color=blue]
                    >As the original poster I would agree here. If it is solicited and
                    >relevant to the question asked it's not spam. I actually did end up
                    >buying Mr. Celko's book and can attest that it is quite useful for
                    >solving the class of problems I was interested in.
                    >
                    >While in general people should not post ads for books they wrote on
                    >tech newsgroups an exception should definitely be made for cases like
                    >this one where the book contains pretty much the exact answer.[/color]

                    Exactly.

                    I am glad you got the help you needed. That is a large part of
                    what technical newsgroups are for.

                    [snip]

                    Sincerely,

                    Gene Wirchenko

                    Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation:
                    I have preferences.
                    You have biases.
                    He/She has prejudices.

                    Comment

                    • Marshall Spight

                      #25
                      Re: Eliminating Combinatorial Relationship Multiplication

                      "Mikito Harakiri" <mikharakiri@ia hu.com> wrote in message news:wIAGc.12$Z J2.250@news.ora cle.com...[color=blue]
                      > "Marshall Spight" <mspight@dnai.c om> wrote in message
                      > news:8KNFc.2060 3$%_6.12831@att bi_s01...[color=green]
                      > > ...Trees and
                      > > Hierarchies in SQL doesn't have the same cachet as the latest
                      > > work by David Sedaris. In fact, it's Amazon's 16,754's most
                      > > popular item, right behind the $350 "Suunto Yachtsman Wristop
                      > > Computer Watch w/ Barometer and Compass...[/color]
                      >
                      > How did you query this? Does amazon provides SQL interface nowadays?[/color]

                      Methodology:

                      Click on the link provided by Mr. Celko.
                      Scroll down to the "product details" section.
                      Read the sales rank there (note that it's changed since then.)
                      --> "Amazon.com sales rank: 16,754"
                      subtract one :-)
                      --> 16,753
                      Go to www.google.com
                      search exactly as follows:
                      site:amazon.com "sales rank: 16753"
                      Click on the link

                      Often when a site doesn't provide some bit of
                      info directly, there's a way to get to it with
                      judicious use of google features.

                      For example, if you want to know if a given
                      32 bit number is prime, often times the fastest
                      way to decide is to google for it. If it's prime,
                      it'll be on some indexed page of prime numbers
                      somewhere.


                      Marshall


                      Comment

                      • x

                        #26
                        Re: Eliminating Combinatorial Relationship Multiplication

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                        "Ed prochak" <ed.prochak@mag icinterface.com > wrote in message
                        news:4b5394b2.0 407061035.3fac9 628@posting.goo gle.com...[color=blue]
                        > "x" <x-false@yahoo.com > wrote in message[/color]
                        news:<40ea4378@ post.usenet.com >...[color=blue][color=green]
                        > > "Daniel Morgan" <damorgan@x.was hington.edu> wrote in message
                        > > news:1089057907 .319050@yasure. ..[color=darkred]
                        > > > Here's what we have found:[/color][/color][/color]
                        [color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
                        > > > I encourage others to do so too and and in case anyone wonders who[/color][/color][/color]
                        this[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
                        > > > spam-troll really is ...[/color][/color][/color]
                        [color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
                        > > > Domain Name:OMLET.ORG
                        > > > Created On:15-Jun-2004 10:54:38 UTC ... (been in business only 2[/color][/color][/color]
                        weeks)[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
                        > > > Sponsoring Registrar:R52-LROR
                        > > > Registrant Name:Amjad Daoud
                        > > > Registrant Street1:Queen Noor Br 07
                        > > > Registrant City:Amman
                        > > > Registrant State/Province:Amman
                        > > > Registrant Postal Code:9626
                        > > > Registrant Country:JO ... (this is the country of Jordan)
                        > > > Registrant Phone:+1.962651 63864
                        > > > Registrant Email:teraknowl edgesystems@yah oo.com[/color][/color][/color]
                        [color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
                        > > > Yes our troll lives in the country of Jordan. You can purchase a
                        > > > product from someone to use with your valuable Oracle database
                        > > > where there is not only no company behind it there is just one
                        > > > guy in a third-world country.[/color][/color][/color]
                        [color=blue][color=green]
                        > > You need to be more careful about this kind of language.
                        > > One of Amjad Daoud signatures I found on the web is:[/color][/color]
                        [color=blue][color=green]
                        > > Amjad Daoud
                        > > The OMLET Team Lead
                        > > Tera Knowledge Systems, Inc.
                        > > Arlington, Texas <--------------- This is not Jordan[/color][/color]
                        [color=blue][color=green]
                        > > Besides: What do you have against "guys from third-world countries" ?[/color][/color]

                        [color=blue]
                        > He doesn't.[/color]
                        Ok. My mistake. English is not my native tongue. :-)
                        [color=blue]
                        >Daniel, I and others have just been dealing with this
                        > troll in the ORACLE groups for a while now.[/color]

                        I didn't knew that.
                        [color=blue]
                        >And you should note that
                        > you presented the company address, which may be only a sales office
                        > and not the location of the "OMLET Team". It certainly is different
                        > from the residence of this guy.[/color]

                        I don't know if there is a company or a sale office there.
                        But the address is from 2001 and looks like a company address from U.S.A.
                        If one does business with a U.S.A. company, I think the U.S.A. and
                        international laws apply.
                        It is not relevant that the "OMLET Team" is just one guy from the country of
                        Jordan, regardless if this country is a "third world country" or not.
                        [color=blue]
                        > Calling Amjad a troll is certainly MUCH more polite than the crap he
                        > has spewed in the ORACLE groups.[/color]

                        Probably he has done that when provoked.
                        Calling Jordan a third world country has nothing to do with what Amjad has
                        done.




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                        • x

                          #27
                          Re: Eliminating Combinatorial Relationship Multiplication

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                          "Joel Garry" <joel-garry@home.com> wrote in message
                          news:91884734.0 407061442.5a606 c44@posting.goo gle.com...
                          [color=blue]
                          > But check out eggy-weggies email, it's Jordanian. Not that that means
                          > anything, I certainly am not in Tonga or oz as some of my web presence
                          > may imply. But he says Sunnyvale, and Texas, and the registration is
                          > on Queen Noor's... something. All-in-all, not a situation a rational
                          > person would want to take advice or a product from. And wassup with
                          > the 619 area code on the Sunnyvale provider, a cell?[/color]

                          Exactly. It doesn't mean anything.
                          If you want to pay him, then you may ask for a company address and
                          warranties.
                          [color=blue][color=green]
                          > > Besides: What do you have against "guys from third-world countries" ?[/color][/color]
                          [color=blue]
                          > There are matters of security, economics, legal liability and trust
                          > involved.[/color]

                          This matters are involved anyway.
                          [color=blue]
                          > But besides that, rotten egg seems to have gone well into
                          > net-psychoses, cyberstalking anyone who he perceives as attacking him,
                          > which is pretty much anyone acknowledging his existence. Not a pretty
                          > sight. DM has once again made a fast, correct call about a spammer.[/color]

                          You could show him some compassion then.
                          [color=blue]
                          > As far as celko, I thought DM was suitably polite in explaining the
                          > plug issue. It was a minor gaffe on celko's part, perfectly
                          > understandable, DM didn't "break his balls." I would say DM should
                          > have ignored it giving the crossposting, but he clearly is making an
                          > effort to be fair and non-partisan when netcopping. My bias is
                          > towards letting people plug their work amid a useful answer, but DM
                          > has almost convinced me his way is better.[/color]

                          Every newsgroup has his trolls :-)



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                          • Mikito Harakiri

                            #28
                            Re: Eliminating Combinatorial Relationship Multiplication

                            "Marshall Spight" <mspight@dnai.c om> wrote in message
                            news:8KIGc.3472 6$a24.6231@attb i_s03...[color=blue]
                            > Methodology:
                            >
                            > Click on the link provided by Mr. Celko.
                            > Scroll down to the "product details" section.
                            > Read the sales rank there (note that it's changed since then.)
                            > --> "Amazon.com sales rank: 16,754"
                            > subtract one :-)
                            > --> 16,753
                            > Go to www.google.com
                            > search exactly as follows:
                            > site:amazon.com "sales rank: 16753"
                            > Click on the link
                            >
                            > Often when a site doesn't provide some bit of
                            > info directly, there's a way to get to it with
                            > judicious use of google features.
                            >
                            > For example, if you want to know if a given
                            > 32 bit number is prime, often times the fastest
                            > way to decide is to google for it. If it's prime,
                            > it'll be on some indexed page of prime numbers
                            > somewhere.[/color]

                            Very clever. Now, I wouldn't be surprised if you invent how to do
                            aggregation and joins via google.


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                            • Joel Garry

                              #29
                              Re: Eliminating Combinatorial Relationship Multiplication

                              "x" <x-false@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:<40eba4a3$ 1@post.usenet.c om>...[color=blue]
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                              >
                              >
                              > "Joel Garry" <joel-garry@home.com> wrote in message
                              > news:91884734.0 407061442.5a606 c44@posting.goo gle.com...
                              >[color=green]
                              > > But check out eggy-weggies email, it's Jordanian. Not that that means
                              > > anything, I certainly am not in Tonga or oz as some of my web presence
                              > > may imply. But he says Sunnyvale, and Texas, and the registration is
                              > > on Queen Noor's... something. All-in-all, not a situation a rational
                              > > person would want to take advice or a product from. And wassup with
                              > > the 619 area code on the Sunnyvale provider, a cell?[/color]
                              >
                              > Exactly. It doesn't mean anything.
                              > If you want to pay him, then you may ask for a company address and
                              > warranties.[/color]

                              What I want is for him to stop spamming this group. How might that
                              happen?
                              [color=blue]
                              >[color=green][color=darkred]
                              > > > Besides: What do you have against "guys from third-world countries" ?[/color][/color]
                              >[color=green]
                              > > There are matters of security, economics, legal liability and trust
                              > > involved.[/color]
                              >
                              > This matters are involved anyway.[/color]

                              They are more involved when third-world countries are mixed in. I
                              deal with many issues daily, living near one. There is a huge
                              cultural issue, too, especially having to do with dealing with
                              government regulations and legalities.
                              [color=blue]
                              >[color=green]
                              > > But besides that, rotten egg seems to have gone well into
                              > > net-psychoses, cyberstalking anyone who he perceives as attacking him,
                              > > which is pretty much anyone acknowledging his existence. Not a pretty
                              > > sight. DM has once again made a fast, correct call about a spammer.[/color]
                              >
                              > You could show him some compassion then.[/color]

                              My wife's job is to show compassion. But she doesn't post on usenet.
                              In any unmoderated usenet group, there needs to be feedback and some
                              consensus about what is appropriate for the group. This group has
                              long taken a fairly strict no-spam stance, including creating an
                              appropriate group for marketing. The reason for this stance comes
                              from the experience of longtime posters who have seen groups get wiped
                              out from not taking such a strict stance. Another aspect of this
                              group is that it takes a critical view of postings - this is a good
                              thing, dba work must be precise and correct or it is bad dba work.

                              I think more compassion could be shown newbies, directing them towards
                              proper research and docs, as opposed to harsh criticism, but that's
                              just me, and I try to convince others of that by example rather than
                              argument. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work as well as DM's way
                              with newbie spammers. net.kooks do not need compassion, in fact, that
                              may be just the wrong thing to do, since any iota of possibility that
                              what they are doing isn't wrong will be rationalized into
                              justification.
                              [color=blue]
                              >[color=green]
                              > > As far as celko, I thought DM was suitably polite in explaining the
                              > > plug issue. It was a minor gaffe on celko's part, perfectly
                              > > understandable, DM didn't "break his balls." I would say DM should
                              > > have ignored it giving the crossposting, but he clearly is making an
                              > > effort to be fair and non-partisan when netcopping. My bias is
                              > > towards letting people plug their work amid a useful answer, but DM
                              > > has almost convinced me his way is better.[/color]
                              >
                              > Every newsgroup has his trolls :-)
                              >[/color]

                              I don't think DM has any trolls eggy-weggy, or x-false, or whomever
                              you might be today.

                              jg
                              --
                              @home.com is bogus.
                              "Eggy-wegs! I'd like to crush 'em!" - Clockwork Orange

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