ORACLE or SQL SERVER (MS) ?

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    #31
    Re: ORACLE or SQL SERVER (MS) ?

    "Bill "shrek" Thater" <william.thater @carrier.utc.co m> wrote in message news:<bn65ns$t3 57n$2@ID-211330.news.uni-berlin.de>...[color=blue]
    > Daniel Morgan wrote:
    >[color=green]
    > > Your experience is purely anecdotal. Other people's experience may
    > > well differ. But one thing is definite and that is that I can put
    > > either SQL Server or Oracle on a single CPU Pentium machine and both
    > > will run. But while SQL Server will only run on the Windows operating
    > > system with Oracle an organization has the choice to avoid paying
    > > hundreds of dollars for the operating system, they can choose Linux,
    > > and also avoid all of the problems with the huge number of Windows
    > > only virus, worm, and trojan attacks.[/color]
    >
    > the ability exists, however at this point in time most companies do not
    > have the talent available to manage other than Windows servers unless[/color]

    I have found that NT admins typically don't have the skills
    to effectively manage even Windows unless they are also
    capable of picking up Unix administration. The notion that you
    can skimp on admin talent by running Windows is simply a myth.
    You will still need someone with a clue managing the OS and the
    RDBMS.

    You will also need quality TSQL/PLSQL/SQL coders. Otherwise you'll
    just be feeding either engine trash and get trash in return.

    Otherwise, you will likely get similar results out of both
    products by running them in "toy mode". Although msSQL might
    have a slight edge in terms of default settings (Oracle's
    are horrible).
    [color=blue]
    > they are large enough to have Unix server farms. in that case they
    > already would have Oracle installed on a unix platform. smaller
    > companies would tend not to choose Oracle due to the lack of talent
    > mentionsed as well as the adversity to adding a DBA to staff.[/color]

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    • Robert C

      #32
      Re: ORACLE or SQL SERVER (MS) ? (WARNING: TROLL ALERT!)

      Sure, sorry...but why the heck does it bother you so much ???

      "Skip Middleton"[color=blue]
      > Could you guys PLEASE edit out the non pertinent newsgroups to this
      > discussion, like rec.woodworking , rec.photo.digit al and rec
      > photo.equipment .35mm? Please?!?
      >[/color]


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      • Daniel Morgan

        #33
        Re: ORACLE or SQL SERVER (MS) ? (WARNING: TROLL ALERT!)

        Robert C wrote:
        [color=blue]
        >Sure, sorry...but why the heck does it bother you so much ???
        >
        >"Skip Middleton"
        >
        >[color=green]
        >>Could you guys PLEASE edit out the non pertinent newsgroups to this
        >>discussion, like rec.woodworking , rec.photo.digit al and rec
        >>photo.equipme nt.35mm? Please?!?
        >>
        >>
        >>[/color][/color]
        Because you are not the only person on the planet. You are not the only
        person that does this.
        And the sum of all of the people that do it constitutes a huge waste of
        time, energy, and bandwidth.

        I am amazed you had to ask. Reminds me of the person that couldn't
        understand why I was upset
        when they parked their car blocking my driveway. Their rationale ...
        they were only going to be
        there for a minute. Somehow they assumed that being rude and
        inconveniencein g someone else
        wasn't as important as their need. They were quite wrong as they learned
        to their embarrasement.

        --
        Daniel Morgan
        We make it possible for you to keep learning at the University of Washington, even if you work full time or live outside of the Seattle area.

        We make it possible for you to keep learning at the University of Washington, even if you work full time or live outside of the Seattle area.

        damorgan@x.wash ington.edu
        (replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)

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        • Robert C

          #34
          Re: ORACLE or SQL SERVER (MS) ? (WARNING: TROLL ALERT!)

          > Because you are not the only person on the planet. You are not the only[color=blue]
          > person that does this.
          > And the sum of all of the people that do it constitutes a huge waste of
          > time, energy, and bandwidth.[/color]

          That's *exactly* why I wondered why some people let themselves be so
          frustrated
          by silly things such as this that they has ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL of....no
          one has !
          In the previous "Could you guys PLEASE..." message, he certainly sounded
          exasperated to me.

          "waste of bandwidth" ?
          So are those people (or you) troubled by the thought that
          , not just what get to your mailbox, but there are GAZILLIONS of junk emails
          shooting around every single second ?
          why not then ? It certainly fits the category "huge waste of time, energy,
          and bandwidth."

          I got a personal peeve too regarding what I consider waste of bandwidth and
          resources - people, when resplying to a message,
          include *every single prior message, verbatim, in the entire thread*, so the
          reply can be short as a one liner but the post
          is like 5 pages long....yikes !



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          • Daniel Morgan

            #35
            Re: ORACLE or SQL SERVER (MS) ? (WARNING: TROLL ALERT!)

            That's *exactly* why I wondered why some people let themselves be so
            [color=blue]
            >frustrated
            >by silly things such as this that they has ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL of....no
            >one has !
            >In the previous "Could you guys PLEASE..." message, he certainly sounded
            >exasperated to me.
            >[/color]
            He was exasperated and I am now also. We say something because to not
            say something
            is to encourage rude, inconsiderate, thoughtless people such that they
            will proliferate and
            make a now minor problem a major problem. One person dropping a piece of
            paper on
            the street is not a big problem. Everybody dropping a piece of paper on
            the street is.

            My suggestion to you if you are the offender (I no longer remember or
            care) is to stop
            posting to this thread except to apologize again. Continuing this is
            without substance
            and just wastes more bandwidth. I will no longer respond to anything in
            this thread in
            the hopes it will die a quick death.

            --
            Daniel Morgan
            We make it possible for you to keep learning at the University of Washington, even if you work full time or live outside of the Seattle area.

            We make it possible for you to keep learning at the University of Washington, even if you work full time or live outside of the Seattle area.

            damorgan@x.wash ington.edu
            (replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)

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            • WangKhar

              #36
              Re: ORACLE or SQL SERVER (MS) ? (WARNING: TROLL ALERT!)

              Heh.... are you guys the trolls teh first poster warned us about?

              Talk about bandwidth hogs; massive missives with no discernible useful
              purpose other than to start a flamewar.




              Daniel Morgan <damorgan@x.was hington.edu> wrote in message news:<106719479 2.802493@yasure >...[color=blue]
              > That's *exactly* why I wondered why some people let themselves be so
              >[color=green]
              > >frustrated
              > >by silly things such as this that they has ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL of....no
              > >one has !
              > >In the previous "Could you guys PLEASE..." message, he certainly sounded
              > >exasperated to me.
              > >[/color]
              > He was exasperated and I am now also. We say something because to not
              > say something
              > is to encourage rude, inconsiderate, thoughtless people such that they
              > will proliferate and
              > make a now minor problem a major problem. One person dropping a piece of
              > paper on
              > the street is not a big problem. Everybody dropping a piece of paper on
              > the street is.
              >
              > My suggestion to you if you are the offender (I no longer remember or
              > care) is to stop
              > posting to this thread except to apologize again. Continuing this is
              > without substance
              > and just wastes more bandwidth. I will no longer respond to anything in
              > this thread in
              > the hopes it will die a quick death.[/color]

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