SQL-2000 GUI

[Dagwood]

Good morning:

At least it's morning where I am. :)

I have a rather newbie question I'm afraid. I have VisualStudio.NE T, and
have installed it along with SQL server. However I can't seem to find an
administration front-end to SQL, other than the VisualStudio, which is
ok for creating databases and adding tables/columns. However when I go
to generate create script, I'm told that I need client tools.

I've installed everything from the cd's - am I missing something very
obvious, and/or how does one import scripts?

Thanks for reading.

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[Srinivas Sampangi]

Re: SQL-2000 GUI

Hi.. We can generate scripts of objects in SQL server using Enterprise
Manager.

For more info refer the following link

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/entrmgr

/agent_067n.asp

Thanx
Srinivas Sampangi

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[Erland Sommarskog]

Re: SQL-2000 GUI

Dagwood ("Dagwood Bumstead"@antio nline.com) writes:[color=blue]
> Good morning:
>
> At least it's morning where I am. :)[/color]

Good Evening to you! :-)
[color=blue]
> I have a rather newbie question I'm afraid. I have VisualStudio.NE T, and
> have installed it along with SQL server. However I can't seem to find an
> administration front-end to SQL, other than the VisualStudio, which is
> ok for creating databases and adding tables/columns. However when I go
> to generate create script, I'm told that I need client tools.
>
> I've installed everything from the cd's - am I missing something very
> obvious, and/or how does one import scripts?[/color]

With VS.Net you get MSDE, and MSDE does not come with any other
administration tools than OSQL which is a command-line tool. To get
the fancy stuff, you need to buy an SQL Server license.

But don't despair. MS has announced that from Aug 1st the price for
Developer Edition will be slashed to 49 USD. (The current price is
about 10 as high.) In the mean while, you can download the Evaluation
Edition of SQL Server from www.microsoft.com/sql. It is good for 120
days.

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Erland Sommarskog, SQL Server MVP, sommar@algonet. se

Books Online for SQL Server SP3 at

http://www.microsoft.com/sql/techinfo/productdoc/2000/books.asp

[Dagwood]

Re: SQL-2000 GUI

In comp.databases. ms-sqlserver, Srinivas Sampangi wrote:
[color=blue]
> Hi.. We can generate scripts of objects in SQL server using Enterprise
> Manager.[/color]
[color=blue]
> For more info refer the following link[/color]
[color=blue]
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de.../en-us/entrmgr
> /agent_067n.asp[/color]


Hi Srinivas:

Thanks for the link (I've bookmarked it) - however, my main issue is
that I can't find Enterprise Manager -- I have VisualStudio.NE T 5 cd's
in total. (SQL 2000 comes with it) I installed *everything*, but I can't
find Enterprise Manager. I even went back to the cd's, to see if I could
update the install, there isn't anything to update.

So, after creating my db/tables in VisualStudio, I now wish to run these
scripts to populate the tables, as it's too much data to enter by hand.

Suggestions?

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[Dagwood]

Re: SQL-2000 GUI

In comp.databases. ms-sqlserver, Erland Sommarskog wrote:
[color=blue]
> Dagwood ("Dagwood Bumstead"@antio nline.com) writes:[color=green]
>> Good morning:[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> At least it's morning where I am. :)[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> Good Evening to you! :-)[/color]

Evening.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> I have a rather newbie question I'm afraid. I have VisualStudio.NE T, and
>> have installed it along with SQL server. However I can't seem to find an
>> administration front-end to SQL, other than the VisualStudio, which is
>> ok for creating databases and adding tables/columns. However when I go
>> to generate create script, I'm told that I need client tools.[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> I've installed everything from the cd's - am I missing something very
>> obvious, and/or how does one import scripts?[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> With VS.Net you get MSDE, and MSDE does not come with any other
> administration tools than OSQL which is a command-line tool. To get
> the fancy stuff, you need to buy an SQL Server license.[/color]

Hmm, well I have an SQL server with SQL service manager, is this MSDE?
What does the acronymn MSDE stand for?

I don't mind using a term and CLI, but I can use VStudio can I not for
this, in terms of importing data? I've already created the database and
tables...
[color=blue]
> But don't despair. MS has announced that from Aug 1st the price for
> Developer Edition will be slashed to 49 USD. (The current price is
> about 10 as high.) In the mean while, you can download the Evaluation
> Edition of SQL Server from www.microsoft.com/sql. It is good for 120
> days.[/color]

Amazing that one would need to pay for the developer edition -- don't
developers encourage the use of products by third parties? ;)

Thanks for responding.

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[Erland Sommarskog]

Re: SQL-2000 GUI

Dagwood ("Dagwood Bumstead"@antio nline.com) writes:[color=blue]
> Hmm, well I have an SQL server with SQL service manager, is this MSDE?
> What does the acronymn MSDE stand for?[/color]

MSDE is the desktop edition of MS SQL Server. It comes with a bunch of
products, VS and Office Developer are two examples. You can also build
an application that uses MSDE and redistribute freely.
[color=blue]
> I don't mind using a term and CLI, but I can use VStudio can I not for
> this, in terms of importing data? I've already created the database and
> tables...[/color]

If the command-lines are there, you should have BCP as well. That's
good for import. If you have MSDN Library, you should have all SQL
documentation there. Else, check my signature.

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Erland Sommarskog, SQL Server MVP, sommar@algonet. se

Books Online for SQL Server SP3 at

http://www.microsoft.com/sql/techinfo/productdoc/2000/books.asp

[Dagwood]

Re: SQL-2000 GUI

In comp.databases. ms-sqlserver, Erland Sommarskog wrote:
[color=blue]
> Dagwood ("Dagwood Bumstead"@antio nline.com) writes:[color=green]
>> Hmm, well I have an SQL server with SQL service manager, is this MSDE?
>> What does the acronymn MSDE stand for?[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> MSDE is the desktop edition of MS SQL Server. It comes with a bunch of
> products, VS and Office Developer are two examples. You can also build
> an application that uses MSDE and redistribute freely.[/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> I don't mind using a term and CLI, but I can use VStudio can I not for
>> this, in terms of importing data? I've already created the database and
>> tables...[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> If the command-lines are there, you should have BCP as well. That's
> good for import. If you have MSDN Library, you should have all SQL
> documentation there. Else, check my signature.[/color]

Ok thanks, (I apologize in advance for being thick headed), but you
haven't really answered my question. First, what I've got is NOT called
MSDE, I don't have anything on my install disk or on my hard drive
called that. It says SQL server, explicitly. You're saying that MSDE is
NOT referred to as SQL server or is? Why would it be called SQL server,
if in fact it isn't MS-SQL? Second, if one can create tables in
VisualStudio, surely one can import data -- is this too far fetched, or
am I totally off base here, without using a terminal? I use a terminal,
but I'm trying to figure out why I need VisualStudio.NE T, as I have
independent apps that I use in WebDevelopment, I'm not an application
developer, I simply create dynamic websites.

I guess I should go back to PostreSQL, at least I have the whole
application.

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[Dan Guzman]

Re: SQL-2000 GUI

I'm don't know what version/edition of VS.NET you have but it may come
with Server Explorer. This IDE tool provides much of the functionality
as the SQL Server GUI tools but with a developer focus. If installed,
you can launch it from within your IDE via the View menu.

SQL Server 2000 comes in 5 editions, including SQL Server 2000 Desktop
Engine. MSDE was renamed the SQL Server 2000 Desktop Engine. You can
peruse the white paper at
<http://www.microsoft.c om/sql/techinfo/planning/SQLResKChooseEd .asp> to
see the differences. A couple of relevant excerpts:

<Excerpt>
The SQL Server 2000 Desktop Engine does not include graphical management
tools; the application distributing the engine is usually coded to
perform any needed database administration. You can manage instances of
the Desktop Engine from the SQL Server 2000 graphical tools if installed
with another edition of SQL Server.
</ Excerpt>

<Excerpt>
SQL Server 2000 Developer Edition
This edition allows developers to build any type of application on top
of SQL Server. It includes all of the functionality of Enterprise
Edition but with a special development and test end-user license
agreement (EULA) that prohibits production deployment (for complete
details, see the SQL Server 2000 Developer Edition EULA at
http://www.microsoft.com/sql.
</ Excerpt>

I believe the SQL Server 2000 Developer Edition (which includes GUI
tools) is included with MSDN Enterprise and Universal subscriptions. If
you VS.NET installation is part of those MSDN subscriptions, you are
licensed to use the SQL Developer edition from your MSDN media. SQL
Server 2000 Developer edition can also be purchased separately.

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"Dagwood" <"Dagwood Bumstead"@antio nline.com> wrote in message
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> In comp.databases. ms-sqlserver, Erland Sommarskog wrote:
>[color=green]
> > Dagwood ("Dagwood Bumstead"@antio nline.com) writes:[color=darkred]
> >> Hmm, well I have an SQL server with SQL service manager, is this[/color][/color][/color]
MSDE?[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> What does the acronymn MSDE stand for?[/color][/color]
>[color=green]
> > MSDE is the desktop edition of MS SQL Server. It comes with a bunch[/color][/color]
of[color=blue][color=green]
> > products, VS and Office Developer are two examples. You can also[/color][/color]
build[color=blue][color=green]
> > an application that uses MSDE and redistribute freely.[/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> >> I don't mind using a term and CLI, but I can use VStudio can I not[/color][/color][/color]
for[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> this, in terms of importing data? I've already created the database[/color][/color][/color]
and[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> tables...[/color][/color]
>[color=green]
> > If the command-lines are there, you should have BCP as well. That's
> > good for import. If you have MSDN Library, you should have all SQL
> > documentation there. Else, check my signature.[/color]
>
> Ok thanks, (I apologize in advance for being thick headed), but you
> haven't really answered my question. First, what I've got is NOT[/color]
called[color=blue]
> MSDE, I don't have anything on my install disk or on my hard drive
> called that. It says SQL server, explicitly. You're saying that MSDE[/color]
is[color=blue]
> NOT referred to as SQL server or is? Why would it be called SQL[/color]
server,[color=blue]
> if in fact it isn't MS-SQL? Second, if one can create tables in
> VisualStudio, surely one can import data -- is this too far fetched,[/color]
or[color=blue]
> am I totally off base here, without using a terminal? I use a[/color]
terminal,[color=blue]
> but I'm trying to figure out why I need VisualStudio.NE T, as I have
> independent apps that I use in WebDevelopment, I'm not an application
> developer, I simply create dynamic websites.
>
> I guess I should go back to PostreSQL, at least I have the whole
> application.
>
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> Regards
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> You have been selected for a secret mission.[/color]

[Carlos Fandango]

Re: SQL-2000 GUI

Which version of VS did you get? Vs Enterprise and above should contain a
copy of SQL Server developer edition. This should have installed a separate
program group which contains EM and other tools.

Search your machine for isqlw.exe, this is one of the graphical tools. If
its not there then go back to the SQL Server CD thats part of the VS install
and re-run the installer, making sure you select client components.

"Dagwood" <"Dagwood Bumstead"@antio nline.com> wrote in message
news:slrnbi7qjc .31m.DagwoodBum stead@3D.AliasW avefront.ca...[color=blue]
> In comp.databases. ms-sqlserver, Erland Sommarskog wrote:
>[color=green]
> > Dagwood ("Dagwood Bumstead"@antio nline.com) writes:[color=darkred]
> >> Hmm, well I have an SQL server with SQL service manager, is this MSDE?
> >> What does the acronymn MSDE stand for?[/color][/color]
>[color=green]
> > MSDE is the desktop edition of MS SQL Server. It comes with a bunch of
> > products, VS and Office Developer are two examples. You can also build
> > an application that uses MSDE and redistribute freely.[/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> >> I don't mind using a term and CLI, but I can use VStudio can I not for
> >> this, in terms of importing data? I've already created the database and
> >> tables...[/color][/color]
>[color=green]
> > If the command-lines are there, you should have BCP as well. That's
> > good for import. If you have MSDN Library, you should have all SQL
> > documentation there. Else, check my signature.[/color]
>
> Ok thanks, (I apologize in advance for being thick headed), but you
> haven't really answered my question. First, what I've got is NOT called
> MSDE, I don't have anything on my install disk or on my hard drive
> called that. It says SQL server, explicitly. You're saying that MSDE is
> NOT referred to as SQL server or is? Why would it be called SQL server,
> if in fact it isn't MS-SQL? Second, if one can create tables in
> VisualStudio, surely one can import data -- is this too far fetched, or
> am I totally off base here, without using a terminal? I use a terminal,
> but I'm trying to figure out why I need VisualStudio.NE T, as I have
> independent apps that I use in WebDevelopment, I'm not an application
> developer, I simply create dynamic websites.
>
> I guess I should go back to PostreSQL, at least I have the whole
> application.
>
> --
> Regards
>[/color]
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> You have been selected for a secret mission.[/color]

[Dagwood]

Re: SQL-2000 GUI

In comp.databases. ms-sqlserver, Daniel Bush wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 11:06:20 -0400, Dagwood <"Dagwood
> Bumstead"@antio nline.com> wrote:[/color]

[snip]
[color=blue][color=green]
>>I guess I should go back to PostreSQL, at least I have the whole
>>application .[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> What MSDE is is a sort of SQL Server Light - it has nearly all of the
> functionality of SQL Server (with a limited number of allowable
> concurrent connections) but none of the fancy GUI tools. It is
> intended to be a redistributable version of SQL Server: Microsoft
> allows it to be distributed free with applications. So, as a
> developer, you can actually distribute applications with their own
> little SQL Server engine. To protect their marketability of the full
> version of SQL Server, they don't give you all the tools or the GUI.
> However, with the command line interface, you can replicate a
> surprising percentage of the full version. Personally, I think it was
> a pretty cool thing that Microsoft did - it is a more robust solution
> for single user database apps than using Access mdb's, anyway. You
> *do* have the whole version of MSDE - it is just a "light" version of
> SQL Server, though I would agree it is not nearly as convenient to
> use.[/color]

Great, thanks a lot Dan, appreciate the info, and thanks to everyone
else as well.

[snip]

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[Dagwood]

Re: SQL-2000 GUI

In comp.databases. ms-sqlserver, Carlos Fandango wrote:
[color=blue]
> Which version of VS did you get? Vs Enterprise and above should contain a
> copy of SQL Server developer edition. This should have installed a separate
> program group which contains EM and other tools.[/color]
[color=blue]
> Search your machine for isqlw.exe, this is one of the graphical tools. If
> its not there then go back to the SQL Server CD thats part of the VS install
> and re-run the installer, making sure you select client components.[/color]

Great info -- no I don't have it, neither is there 'client tools' on the
disks. So, it appears I have MSDE. Now, I'm confident that I don't,
prior, I wasn't 100% sure.

Thanks!



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