Python certification

[srinivasan srinivas]

Hi,
I m planning to do certification in Python??
Is therr any good certification available in Python like Sun certification for java??

Thanks,
Sirni

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[Ben Finney]

Re: Python certification

srinivasan srinivas <sri_annauni@ya hoo.co.inwrites :

I m planning to do certification in Python??

Why the question marks? Are you asking us whether this is true?

Is therr any good certification available in Python like Sun
certification for java??

You'll need to tell us what you want to use the certification *for*,
and perhaps then a meaningful recommendation can be made. “good” for
what particular purpose?

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[Lawrence D'Oliveiro]

Re: Python certification

In message <8763nr9yh7.fsf @benfinney.id.a u>, Ben Finney wrote:

srinivasan srinivas <sri_annauni@ya hoo.co.inwrites :
>

>I m planning to do certification in Python??

>
Why the question marks? Are you asking us whether this is true?

Perhaps he's one of those people who end sentences with a rising inflection?
Found among Australasians, possibly elsewhere?

[Python Nutter]

Re: Python certification

Yeah. The day Python goes Certification required to get a job is the day I
quit Python forever and move on to another language.

Certification prooves you're an idiot who needs to spend money to work
for another idiot who doesn't know enough about programming to know if
they hire competent programmers and need an idiot paper to make them
feel better and sleep better at night.

2008/10/18 Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new _zealand>:

In message <8763nr9yh7.fsf @benfinney.id.a u>, Ben Finney wrote:
>

>srinivasan srinivas <sri_annauni@ya hoo.co.inwrites :
>>

>>I m planning to do certification in Python??

>>
>Why the question marks? Are you asking us whether this is true?

>
Perhaps he's one of those people who end sentences with a rising inflection?
Found among Australasians, possibly elsewhere?
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>

[olive]

Re: Python certification

>

Certification prooves you're an idiot who needs to spend money to work
for another idiot who doesn't know enough about programming to know if
they hire competent programmers and need an idiot paper to make them
feel better and sleep better at night.
>

So true !
+1 QOTW

[Eric Wertman]

Re: Python certification

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:52 AM, olive <ocollioud@gmai l.comwrote:

>>
>Certificatio n prooves you're an idiot who needs to spend money to work
>for another idiot who doesn't know enough about programming to know if
>they hire competent programmers and need an idiot paper to make them
>feel better and sleep better at night.
>>

So true !
+1 QOTW
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>

While in the current state of affairs I agree completely, I do think
that IT in general would be a much better field to work in if there
were some industry standard certifications that were required. More
like the medical and legal fields than the vendor specific ones we see
today from Microsoft, IBM, etc.

Eric

[Eric Wertman]

Re: Python certification

I would hate to live in a world where you had to have three years of

graduate professional training to write a for-loop for pay, or where
scientists and mathematicians were prohibited from writing code (practicing
software) without a license. Or where someone who just wanted to practice
Python had to first master assembly.
>
I would be interested to hear if you know something about medical/legal
exams, quite aside from there use as legal cudgels, that would contribute to
(carefully) improving voluntary computer training and exams.

I think what I'm after is something not so extreme as this. Obviously
there are numerous folks out there that don't have a boatload of
formal education and are quite competent, while the opposite is also
almost certainly true. Maybe I'm just reacting negatively to the
constant advertisements I hear on the radio for '6 months to your
Microsoft certification' blah blah, and the general trend I see that
says you can ignore the need for 'expensive experts' if you just use
vendor X's solution. The truth I perceive is that IT is an unusual
field where one good employee can accomplish more than any number of
mediocre ones ever will. I'm not sure a lot of businesses grasp this,
they still think that if there's a problem with getting something
done, they just need more people, when in reality they would
accomplish more by removing the less competent ones than adding more
of any kind.

I'm not advocating some kind of licensing for programmers. I just
really wish there was some reasonable gauge that could be used to
evaluate information professionals. There are many people in the
field that are not only incompetent, but they are that way on purpose,
and they use the complexity of the field to deceive whoever they can.
They may or may not be 'certified' and they may or may not have
master's degrees.

I see your points. Again, I think mostly this is just my frustration
in general. My perception of the world lately is that the stupid and
apathetic have really begun to take over. Maybe it was always like
that, or maybe I'm wrong. Or... maybe it's just Monday :).

[Grant Edwards]

Re: Python certification

On 2008-10-20, Eric Wertman <ewertman@gmail .comwrote:

I'm not advocating some kind of licensing for programmers. I
just really wish there was some reasonable gauge that could be
used to evaluate information professionals.

It would be nice if there was, but there isn't. AFAICT,
certification for other things in software (whether it's RedHat
or Microsoft) has proven completely worthless. There's no
reason to think certification for Python would be any
different. As soon as there's a certification test, there are
going to be courses and study guides to allow useless people to
temporarily memorized enough to pass the test without becoming
useful.

You've still got to interview them and see what sort of
questions they ask. I find the questions people ask to be more
revealing than the questions they answer.

--
Grant