Python 3.0 and repr

[Mark Tolonen]

I don't understand the behavior of the interpreter in Python 3.0. I am
working at a command prompt in Windows (US English), which has a terminal
encoding of cp437.

In Python 2.5:

Python 2.5 (r25:51908, Sep 19 2006, 09:52:17) [MSC v.1310 32 bit
(Intel)] on win
32
Type "help", "copyright" , "credits" or "license" for more information.

>>x=u'\u5000'
>>x

u'\u5000'

In Python 3.0:

Python 3.0rc1 (r30rc1:66507, Sep 18 2008, 14:47:08) [MSC v.1500 32 bit
(Intel)]
on win32
Type "help", "copyright" , "credits" or "license" for more information.

>>x='\u5000'
>>x

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
File "c:\dev\python3 0\lib\io.py", line 1486, in write
b = encoder.encode( s)
File "c:\dev\python3 0\lib\encodings \cp437.py", line 19, in encode
return codecs.charmap_ encode(input,se lf.errors,encod ing_map)[0]
UnicodeEncodeEr ror: 'charmap' codec can't encode character '\u5000' in
position
1: character maps to <undefined>

Where I would have expected

>>x

'\u5000'

Shouldn't a repr() of x work regardless of output encoding? Another test:

Python 3.0rc1 (r30rc1:66507, Sep 18 2008, 14:47:08) [MSC v.1500 32 bit
(Intel)]
on win32
Type "help", "copyright" , "credits" or "license" for more information.

>>bytes(range(2 56)).decode('cp 437')

'\x00\x01\x02\x 03\x04\x05\x06\ x07\x08\t\n\x0b \x0c\r\x0e\x0f\ x10\x11\x12\x13 \x14\
x15\x16\x17\x18 \x19\x1a\x1b\x1 c\x1d\x1e\x1f
!"#$%&\'()*+ ,-./0123456789:;<=> ?@ABC
DEFGHIJKLMNOPQR STUVWXYZ[\\]^_`abcdefghijkl mnopqrstuvwxyz{ |}~\x7fÇüéâ äàåçêëèïîà ¬Ã„Ã…
ÉæÆôöòûà ¹Ã¿Ã–Ü¢£¥₠§Æ’áÃóúñÑ ªº¿⌐¬½¼ ¡«»░▒▓ │┤╡╢╖ ╕╣║╗╝ ╜╛┐└┴ ┬├─┼╞ ╟╚╔╩╦ ╠═╬╧╨╤ ╥╙╘╒╓ ╫╪┘┌█ ▄▌▐▀
Î±ÃŸÎ“Ï€Î£ÏƒÂµÏ „ΦΘΩδ∞φΠµâˆ©â‰¡Â±â‰¥â‰¤ ⌠⌡÷≈°∙· √ⁿ²■\xa0'

>>bytes(range(2 56)).decode('cp 437')[255]

'\xa0'

Characters that cannot be displayed in cp437 are being escaped, such as
0x00-0x1F, 0x7F, and 0xA0. Even if I incorrectly decode a value, if the
character exists in cp437, it is displayed:

>>bytes(range(2 56)).decode('la tin-1')[255]

'ÿ'

However, for a character that isn't supported by cp437, incorrectly decoded:

>>bytes(range(2 56)).decode('cp 437')[254]

'â– '

>>bytes(range(2 56)).decode('la tin-1')[254]

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
File "c:\dev\python3 0\lib\io.py", line 1486, in write
b = encoder.encode( s)
File "c:\dev\python3 0\lib\encodings \cp437.py", line 19, in encode
return codecs.charmap_ encode(input,se lf.errors,encod ing_map)[0]
UnicodeEncodeEr ror: 'charmap' codec can't encode character '\xfe' in
position 1:
character maps to <undefined>

Why not display '\xfe' here? It seems like this inconsistency would make it
difficult to write things like doctests that weren't dependent on the
tester's terminal. It also makes it difficult to inspect variables without
hex(ord(n)) on a character-by-character basis. Maybe repr() should always
display the ASCII representation with escapes for all other characters,
especially considering the "repr() should produce output suitable for eval()
when possible" rule.

What are others' opinions? Any insight to this design decision?

-Mark

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Re: Python 3.0 and repr

What are others' opinions? Any insight to this design decision?

The intention is that all printable characters in a string get displayed
in repr. This was in particular requested by Japanese users (but also by
other users of non-ASCII characters) which complained that repr() is
fairly useless if your strings actually contains *no* ASCII characters
(but all of them are printable).

Notice that repr() of the string actually succeeds; try

>>x='\u5000'
>>z=repr(x)

It is the printing of the repr that fails.

Maybe repr() should always display the ASCII representation with
escapes for all other characters

You can use the ascii() builtin if you want that.

especially considering the "repr() should produce output suitable for
eval() when possible" rule.

But that is preserved under the new behavior, also! Just try

pyx='\u5000'
pyeval(repr(x)) ==x
True

Regards,
Martin

P.S. How did you manage to get U+5000 into your data, on a system where
the terminal encoding is cp437? Google translates it as "Rash"; the
Unihan database also has "bewildered ", "wildly".

[Mark Tolonen]

Re: Python 3.0 and repr


""Martin v. Löwis"" <martin@v.loewi s.dewrote in message
news:48dffb54$0 $1082$9b622d9e@ news.freenet.de ...

>What are others' opinions? Any insight to this design decision?

>
The intention is that all printable characters in a string get displayed
in repr. This was in particular requested by Japanese users (but also by
other users of non-ASCII characters) which complained that repr() is
fairly useless if your strings actually contains *no* ASCII characters
(but all of them are printable).
>
Notice that repr() of the string actually succeeds; try
>

>>>x='\u5000'
>>>z=repr(x)

>
It is the printing of the repr that fails.
>

>Maybe repr() should always display the ASCII representation with
>escapes for all other characters

>
You can use the ascii() builtin if you want that.
>

>especially considering the "repr() should produce output suitable for
>eval() when possible" rule.

>
But that is preserved under the new behavior, also! Just try
>
pyx='\u5000'
pyeval(repr(x)) ==x
True
>
Regards,
Martin

Thanks Martin, it's clear now. I just read about the new ascii() function
before seeing your reply.

P.S. How did you manage to get U+5000 into your data, on a system where
the terminal encoding is cp437? Google translates it as "Rash"; the
Unihan database also has "bewildered ", "wildly".

I just picked that example out of the air. I study Chinese and knew it was
a character in that area of the Unicode map. My usual editors (PythonWin
and PyAlaMode from wxPython) don't work with Python 3, which was why I was
using the Windows cmd prompt.

Thanks,
Mark