Python Written in C?

[giveitawhril2008@gmail.com]

I'm just learning about Python now and it sounds interesting. But I
just read (on the Wiki page) that mainstream Python was written in C.
That's what I was searching for: Python was written in what other
language?

See, my concern was something like: OK, if Python is so hot, then,
hopefully someone is writing it in assembly language for each MPU chip
out there. Otherwise, if, say, they've written it in C#, then it looks
like the REAL, generally useful language to learn is C# and Python is
akin to Visual Basic or something: a specialty language....whe reas
REAL WORLD programmers who want to be generally useful go and learn
C#.

So I was suspecting the Python compiler or interpreter is written in a
REAL language like C#. So, Wiki says it's written in C! It's almost as
if it were an intentional trick...write your own, new language in an
OLD, real world language that is passe. Compile it into executable
modules of course, so it is a real, working compiler, alright. But the
SOURCE is some old, high level language which no one wants to use
anymore! So now you've got a hot new language package and no one can
say "well, it is written in, the SOURCE code is written in, a REAL
language." No, it's not! The source is some outdated language and
compiler and no one is going to prefer learning THAT to learning your
hot new language!

I'm not dissing Python, here. Just noting that, if it is written in C,
that throws a curve at me in trying to balance the value of learning
Python vs. some other major language.

[Erik Max Francis]

Re: Python Written in C?

giveitawhril200 8@gmail.com wrote:

I'm just learning about Python now and it sounds interesting. But I
just read (on the Wiki page) that mainstream Python was written in C.
That's what I was searching for: Python was written in what other
language?
>
See, my concern was something like: OK, if Python is so hot, then,
hopefully someone is writing it in assembly language for each MPU chip
out there. Otherwise, if, say, they've written it in C#, then it looks
like the REAL, generally useful language to learn is C# and Python is
akin to Visual Basic or something: a specialty language....whe reas
REAL WORLD programmers who want to be generally useful go and learn
C#.

Psst. What language do you think the primary implementations of C# is
written in?

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[Mensanator]

Re: Python Written in C?

On Jul 20, 5:50�pm, giveitawhril2.. .@gmail.com wrote:

I'm just learning about Python now and it sounds interesting. But I
just read (on the Wiki page) that mainstream Python was written in C.
That's what I was searching for: Python was written in what other
language?
>
See, my concern was something like: OK, if Python is so hot, then,
hopefully someone is writing it in assembly language for each MPU chip
out there. Otherwise, if, say, they've written it in C#, then it looks
like the REAL, generally useful language to learn is C# and Python is
akin to Visual Basic or something: a specialty language....whe reas
REAL WORLD programmers who want to be generally useful go and learn
C#.

Python is for people who want to program, not REAL WORLD
programmers.

>
So I was suspecting the Python compiler or interpreter is written in a
REAL language like C#. So, Wiki says it's written in C! It's almost as
if it were an intentional trick...write your own, new language in an
OLD, real world language that is passe. Compile it into executable
modules of course, so it is a real, working compiler, alright. But the
SOURCE is some old, high level language

C isn't a high level language, that's part of its problem.

which no one wants to use
anymore! So now you've got a hot new language package and no one can
say "well, it is written in, the SOURCE code is written in, a REAL
language." No, it's not! The source is some outdated language and
compiler and no one is going to prefer learning THAT to learning your
hot new language!
>
I'm not dissing Python, here.

Yes, you are.

Just noting that, if it is written in C,
that throws a curve at me in trying to balance the value of learning
Python vs. some other major language.

Then go learn C, nobody's stopping you.

[Roy Smith]

Re: Python Written in C?

In article
<a9620c65-49c6-4fe7-9cbe-de3779ec337a@59 g2000hsb.google groups.com>,
Mensanator <mensanator@aol .comwrote:

C isn't a high level language, that's part of its problem.

C is the highest level assembler language I've ever used. And I've used a
few. It really is cool that you can add two 32-bit integers and not have
to worry about all those carry bits.

[John Machin]

Re: Python Written in C?

On Jul 21, 8:50 am, giveitawhril2.. .@gmail.com wrote:

I'm just learning about Python now and it sounds interesting. But I
just read (on the Wiki page) that mainstream Python was written in C.
That's what I was searching for: Python was written in what other
language?
>
See, my concern was something like: OK, if Python is so hot, then,
hopefully someone is writing it in assembly language for each MPU chip
out there.

Why do that, when gcc has a code generator for just about every MPU
chip out there?

Otherwise, if, say, they've written it in C#, then it looks
like the REAL, generally useful language to learn is C#

A bit of a non sequitur .... and C# is available on how many different
MPU chips?

and Python is
akin to Visual Basic

<chuckle/>

or something: a specialty language
....whereas
REAL WORLD programmers who want to be generally useful go and learn
C#.

?

>
So I was suspecting the Python compiler or interpreter is written in a
REAL language like C#. So, Wiki says it's written in C! It's almost as
if it were an intentional trick...write your own, new language in an
OLD, real world language that is passe. Compile it into executable
modules of course, so it is a real, working compiler, alright. But the
SOURCE is some old, high level language which no one wants to use
anymore!

Nobody wants to use C any more?

So now you've got a hot new language package and no one can
say "well, it is written in, the SOURCE code is written in, a REAL
language." No, it's not! The source is some outdated language and
compiler and no one is going to prefer learning THAT to learning your
hot new language!
>
I'm not dissing Python, here. Just noting that, if it is written in C,
that throws a curve at me in trying to balance the value of learning
Python vs. some other major language.

It should be sublimely irrelevant to most people learning LanguageX
what language LanguageX is written in.

Some other implementations of Python: PyPy (written in Python), Jython
(written in Java) and IronPython (written in C#).

[Carl Banks]

Re: Python Written in C?

On Jul 20, 6:50 pm, giveitawhril2.. .@gmail.com wrote:

I'm not dissing Python, here. Just noting that, if it is written in C,
that throws a curve at me in trying to balance the value of learning
Python vs. some other major language.

I somehow doubt the Python community will feel much of a loss if you
decide to learn some other language.


Carl Banks

[Teiresias]

Re: Python Written in C?

giveitawhril200 8@gmail.com writes:

I'm just learning about Python now and it sounds interesting. But I
just read (on the Wiki page) that mainstream Python was written in C.
That's what I was searching for: Python was written in what other
language?

Well, yes, the interpreter and a handful of the core modules are written in C.
However, most of Python -- especially the cool bits -- aren't written in
C. They're written in ... Python!

-- Teiresias

[Mike]

Re: Python Written in C?

In article <fa4e498a-6bb9-4612-810f-897429fa754c@y3 8g2000hsy.googl egroups.com>, giveitawhril200 8@gmail.com wrote:

I'm just learning about Python now and it sounds interesting. But I
just read (on the Wiki page) that mainstream Python was written in C.
That's what I was searching for: Python was written in what other
language?

C is the universal assembler.

Mike

[Mensanator]

Re: Python Written in C?

On Jul 20, 7:37�pm, Roy Smith <r...@panix.com wrote:

In article
<a9620c65-49c6-4fe7-9cbe-de3779ec3...@59 g2000hsb.google groups.com>,
>
�Mensanator <mensana...@aol .comwrote:

C isn't a high level language, that's part of its problem.

>
C is the highest level assembler language

Isn't that like bragging about being the smartest
kid on the short bus?

I've ever used. �And I've used a
few. �It really is cool that you can add two 32-bit integers and not have
to worry about all those carry bits.

Carry bits? Who worries about carry bits when you have
unlimited precision arithmetic? You want cool?
THIS is cool:

j = ((invert(xyz[1]-xyz[0],xyz[1]**(k-1))*(xyz[1]**(k-1)-prev_gen[2]))
% xyz[1]**(k-1))/xyz[1]**(k-2)

[Stephen Johnson]

Re: Python Written in C?

Carry bits? Who worries about carry bits when you have

unlimited precision arithmetic? You want cool?
THIS is cool:
>
j = ((invert(xyz[1]-xyz[0],xyz[1]**(k-1))*(xyz[1]**(k-1)-prev_gen[2]))
% xyz[1]**(k-1))/xyz[1]**(k-2)

You call that "cool." I call it "unreadable ."

-Steve Johnson

[Mensanator]

Re: Python Written in C?

On Jul 20, 10:05�pm, Stephen Johnson <dior...@gmail. comwrote:

Carry bits? Who worries about carry bits when you have
unlimited precision arithmetic? You want cool?
THIS is cool:

>

j = ((invert(xyz[1]-xyz[0],xyz[1]**(k-1))*(xyz[1]**(k-1)-prev_gen[2]))
% xyz[1]**(k-1))/xyz[1]**(k-2)

>
You call that "cool." I call it "unreadable ."

Ok, but not in the sense that something like
Scheme is unreadable as this is nothing but
algebra (albeit complicaed).

>
-Steve Johnson

[Dan Upton]

Re: Python Written in C?

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 11:51 PM, Mensanator <mensanator@aol .comwrote:

On Jul 20, 10:05�pm, Stephen Johnson <dior...@gmail. comwrote:

Carry bits? Who worries about carry bits when you have
unlimited precision arithmetic? You want cool?
THIS is cool:

>>

j = ((invert(xyz[1]-xyz[0],xyz[1]**(k-1))*(xyz[1]**(k-1)-prev_gen[2]))
% xyz[1]**(k-1))/xyz[1]**(k-2)

>>
>You call that "cool." I call it "unreadable ."

>
Ok, but not in the sense that something like
Scheme is unreadable as this is nothing but
algebra (albeit complicaed).
>

Scheme doesn't *have* to be unreadable... any more unreadable than any
other language when poorly documented/formatted, anyway.

[Michael Torrie]

Re: Python Written in C?

Mensanator wrote:

On Jul 20, 7:37�pm, Roy Smith <r...@panix.com wrote:

>In article
><a9620c65-49c6-4fe7-9cbe-de3779ec3...@59 g2000hsb.google groups.com>,
>>
>�Mensanato r <mensana...@aol .comwrote:

>>C isn't a high level language, that's part of its problem.

>C is the highest level assembler language

>
Isn't that like bragging about being the smartest
kid on the short bus?
>

>I've ever used. �And I've used a
>few. �It really is cool that you can add two 32-bit integers and not have
>to worry about all those carry bits.

>
Carry bits? Who worries about carry bits when you have
unlimited precision arithmetic? You want cool?

Perhaps you missed the wonderful humor in Roy's post. It was rather
brilliant. Sorry you missed it.

[Michael Torrie]

Re: Python Written in C?

giveitawhril200 8@gmail.com wrote:

I'm not dissing Python, here. Just noting that, if it is written in C,
that throws a curve at me in trying to balance the value of learning
Python vs. some other major language.

Definitely one of the most non-sequitor statements I have ever heard.
Actually your entire post doesn't make much sense. Maybe you are a
brother bot to castropini? Perhaps a less-trained one, although none of
castropini's posts seem to make sense either. The AI needs a bit of work.

I am very confused over your incoherent ramblings about C# being some
how more real than C, or Python, or Visual Basic, or any other language.
I fail to grasp what connection the syntax of a language has to do with
anything being real or not. You first say you hope someone was writing
optimized assembly for python on the different platforms (I'm not
familiar with the acronym "MPU.") and then go on to say it should have
been written with C#. I'm confused as to what C# has to do with
optimized, platform-specific assembly.

[Mensanator]

Re: Python Written in C?

On Jul 20, 11:08 pm, "Dan Upton" <up...@virginia .eduwrote:

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 11:51 PM, Mensanator <mensana...@aol .comwrote:

On Jul 20, 10:05�pm, Stephen Johnson <dior...@gmail. comwrote:

Carry bits? Who worries about carry bits when you have
unlimited precision arithmetic? You want cool?
THIS is cool:

>

j = ((invert(xyz[1]-xyz[0],xyz[1]**(k-1))*(xyz[1]**(k-1)-prev_gen[2]))
% xyz[1]**(k-1))/xyz[1]**(k-2)

>

You call that "cool." I call it "unreadable ."

>

Ok, but not in the sense that something like
Scheme is unreadable as this is nothing but
algebra (albeit complicaed).

>
Scheme doesn't *have* to be unreadable... any more unreadable than any
other language when poorly documented/formatted, anyway.

When I needed to whip up a variation on Ulam's
Spiral recently, I went and got the Scheme version
I wrote 4 years ago when I briefly toyed with Scheme
and thought I'd just translate the plotting part to
Python. Couldn't make any sense of it and ended up
doing the Python version with Turtle Graphics.