Squeak-like environment for Python?

[Jumping Arne]

I've been playing with Squeak a bit and I really like the persistent storage
model, I also liked HyperCard and Frontier (well, the persistent storage
model at least).

I wonder if there is some similar environment but based on python, I would
like to use this environment not as a development environment but as a
platform for storing data etc - much like HyperCard.

I found a few postings about such an environment:

<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/edu-sig/2006-April/006226.html>

but it looks like nothing happened.

pythoncard doesn't seem to have the persistent storage model


Have I missed something obvious?

[Diez B. Roggisch]

Re: Squeak-like environment for Python?

Jumping Arne wrote:

I've been playing with Squeak a bit and I really like the persistent
storage model, I also liked HyperCard and Frontier (well, the persistent
storage model at least).
>
I wonder if there is some similar environment but based on python, I would
like to use this environment not as a development environment but as a
platform for storing data etc - much like HyperCard.
>
I found a few postings about such an environment:
>
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/edu-sig/2006-April/006226.html>
>
but it looks like nothing happened.
>
pythoncard doesn't seem to have the persistent storage model

What about ZODB? You can use that to store (more or less) arbitrary objects.
Maybe that can be a foundation, if you throw in

http://nodebox.net/code/index.php/Home

it might be similar to squeak (I only dimly remember what squeak as a whole
is though - smalltalk & easy multimedia I remember)

Diez

[Bruno Desthuilliers]

Re: Squeak-like environment for Python?

Diez B. Roggisch a écrit :

Jumping Arne wrote:
>

>I've been playing with Squeak a bit and I really like the persistent
>storage model, I also liked HyperCard and Frontier (well, the persistent
>storage model at least).
>>
>I wonder if there is some similar environment but based on python, I would
>like to use this environment not as a development environment but as a
>platform for storing data etc - much like HyperCard.
>>
>I found a few postings about such an environment:
>>
><http://mail.python.org/pipermail/edu-sig/2006-April/006226.html>
>>
>but it looks like nothing happened.
>>
>pythoncard doesn't seem to have the persistent storage model

>
What about ZODB? You can use that to store (more or less) arbitrary objects.
Maybe that can be a foundation, if you throw in
>

http://nodebox.net/code/index.php/Home

>
it might be similar to squeak (I only dimly remember what squeak as a whole
is though - smalltalk & easy multimedia I remember)

Mainly, Squeak is a (relatively) recent, free implementation of Smalltalk.

<disclaimer="pl ease someone correct me if I'm wrong">
The "persistent storage model" - the 'image' storing the whole system
(code, libs, data, whatever) - is part of the Smalltalk system since
it's first conception IIRC (even if some Smalltalk implementations -
like GNU Smalltalk - are more traditionnaly file-based and have no
automatic persistence).
</disclaimer>