Help need with subprocess communicate

**Daniel Klein** · Jun 27 '08, 04:27 PM

Re: Help need with subprocess communicate

On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 14:04:10 -0700 (PDT), rdabane@gmail.c om wrote:

>I'm trying to perform following type of operation from inside a python
>script.
>1. Open an application shell (basically a tcl )
>2. Run some commands on that shell and get outputs from each command
>3. Close the shell
>
>I could do it using communicate if I concatenate all my commands
>( separated by newline ) and read all the output in the end. So
>basically I could do following sequence:
>1. command1 \n command2 \n command 3 \n
>2. Read all the output
>
>But I want to perform it interactively.
>1. command1
>2. read output
>3. command2
>4. read output ......
>
>Following is my code:
>
>from subprocess import *
>p2 = Popen('qdl_tcl' ,stdin=PIPE,std out=PIPE)
>o,e = p2.communicate( input='qdl_help \n qdl_read \n
>qdl_reg_group_ list ')
>
>Please suggest a way to perform it interactively with killing the
>process each time I want to communicate with it.

Use
stdin.write(com mand + '\n')
to 'send' data to the sub-process.

Use
stdout.readline ()
to 'receive' data from the sub-process.

But to use this requires you open the subprocess with:

universal_newli nes = True

It assumes that 'command' will be sent with '\n' and received data will come
in a line at a time. Your Python program needs to know what to expect; you
are in control.

Alternatively, you can use std.write() and stdout.read() (without
universal_newli nes) but this means you need to create your own IPC protocol
(like netstrings).

Hope this helps,

Daniel Klein

**rdabane@gmail.com** · Jun 27 '08, 04:27 PM

Re: Help need with subprocess communicate

On Jun 3, 5:42 pm, Daniel Klein <dani...@feathe rbrain.netwrote :

On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 14:04:10 -0700 (PDT), rdab...@gmail.c om wrote:

I'm trying to perform following type of operation from inside a python
script.
1. Open an application shell (basically a tcl )
2. Run some commands on that shell and get outputs from each command
3. Close the shell

>

I could do it using communicate if I concatenate all my commands
( separated by newline ) and read all the output in the end. So
basically I could do following sequence:
1. command1 \n command2 \n command 3 \n
2. Read all the output

>

But I want to perform it interactively.
1. command1
2. read output
3. command2
4. read output ......

>

Following is my code:

>

from subprocess import *
p2 = Popen('qdl_tcl' ,stdin=PIPE,std out=PIPE)
o,e = p2.communicate( input='qdl_help \n qdl_read \n
qdl_reg_group_l ist ')

>

Please suggest a way to perform it interactively with killing the
process each time I want to communicate with it.

>
Use
stdin.write(com mand + '\n')
to 'send' data to the sub-process.
>
Use
stdout.readline ()
to 'receive' data from the sub-process.
>
But to use this requires you open the subprocess with:
>
universal_newli nes = True
>
It assumes that 'command' will be sent with '\n' and received data will come
in a line at a time. Your Python program needs to know what to expect; you
are in control.
>
Alternatively, you can use std.write() and stdout.read() (without
universal_newli nes) but this means you need to create your own IPC protocol
(like netstrings).
>
Hope this helps,
>
Daniel Klein

Hi Daniel,
Thanks for your reply..
I've done exactly as you suggested...but I'm still having problem with
the read...it just gets stuck in
the read ( I think because its a blocking read...)

following is a simple example of problem..please try running it ...

from subprocess import *
p2 =
Popen('python', shell=True,stdi n=PIPE,stdout=P IPE,universal_n ewlines=True)
for i in range(10):
p2.stdin.write( 'print 10'+'\n') # Write Command
o = p2.stdout.readl ine() # Read Command
print o

I appreciate all your help...

Thanks,
-Rahul Dabane.

**rdabane@gmail.com** · Jun 27 '08, 04:27 PM

Re: Help need with subprocess communicate

On Jun 3, 11:23 pm, Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfr...@ix.net com.comwrote:

On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 18:04:40 -0700 (PDT), rdab...@gmail.c om declaimed the
following in comp.lang.pytho n:
>
>
>

Hi Daniel,
Thanks for your reply..
I've done exactly as you suggested...but I'm still having problem with
the read...it just gets stuck in
the read ( I think because its a blocking read...)

>
And it is likely blocking because the subprocess is doing buffered
output -- ie, nothing is available to be read because the output has not
been flushed.
>
This is a problem with most programs when run as a subprocess -- it
is common for stdout, when routed to a pipe or file, to behave as a
buffered stream that only flushes when some x-bytes have been written;
unlike stdout to a console which gets flushed on each new-line.
--
Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber KD6MOG
wlfr...@ix.netc om.com wulfr...@bestia ria.com

HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/

(Bestiaria Support Staff: web-a...@bestiaria. com)
HTTP://www.bestiaria.com/

Is there way to configure the stdout buffer size so that it flushes
earlier..
Is there a way to make above mentioned piece code working?

**Chris** · Jun 27 '08, 04:27 PM

Re: Help need with subprocess communicate

On Jun 4, 9:56 am, Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfr...@ix.net com.comwrote:

On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 23:48:38 -0700 (PDT), rdab...@gmail.c om declaimed the
following in comp.lang.pytho n:
>

Is there way to configure the stdout buffer size so that it flushes
earlier..
Is there a way to make above mentioned piece code working?

>
I believe there is a command line argument that will set Python into
an unbuffered mode... BUT, unless the spawned process/program has some
similar option, you have no control over its output.
--
Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber KD6MOG
wlfr...@ix.netc om.com wulfr...@bestia ria.com
HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/
(Bestiaria Support Staff: web-a...@bestiaria. com)
HTTP://www.bestiaria.com/

starting your application with "python -u" sets it to unbuffered
binary stdout and stderr, hopefully that helps.

**Nicola Musatti** · Jun 27 '08, 04:27 PM

Re: Help need with subprocess communicate

On Jun 3, 11:04 pm, rdab...@gmail.c om wrote:

I'm trying to perform following type of operation from inside a python
script.
1. Open an application shell (basically a tcl )
2. Run some commands on that shell and get outputs from each command
3. Close the shell

[...]

Following is my code:
>
from subprocess import *
p2 = Popen('qdl_tcl' ,stdin=PIPE,std out=PIPE)
o,e = p2.communicate( input='qdl_help \n qdl_read \n
qdl_reg_group_l ist ')
>
Please suggest a way to perform it interactively with killing the
process each time I want to communicate with it.

Here's what you need: http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Coo.../Recipe/440554

Cheers,
Nicola Musatti

**Ali** · Jun 27 '08, 04:27 PM

Re: Help need with subprocess communicate

On Jun 3, 10:04 pm, rdab...@gmail.c om wrote:

I'm trying to perform following type of operation from inside a python
script.
1. Open an application shell (basically a tcl )
2. Run some commands on that shell and get outputs from each command
3. Close the shell
>
I could do it using communicate if I concatenate all my commands
( separated by newline ) and read all the output in the end. So
basically I could do following sequence:
1. command1 \n command2 \n command 3 \n
2. Read all the output
>
But I want to perform it interactively.
1. command1
2. read output
3. command2
4. read output ......
>
Following is my code:
>
from subprocess import *
p2 = Popen('qdl_tcl' ,stdin=PIPE,std out=PIPE)
o,e = p2.communicate( input='qdl_help \n qdl_read \n
qdl_reg_group_l ist ')
>
Please suggest a way to perform it interactively with killing the
process each time I want to communicate with it.
>
Thanks in advance,
-Rahul.

It sounds like this may help: http://www.noah.org/wiki/Pexpect

(pure python expect-like functionality)

Ali

**Daniel Klein** · Jun 27 '08, 04:28 PM

Re: Help need with subprocess communicate

On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 23:48:38 -0700 (PDT), rdabane@gmail.c om wrote:

>On Jun 3, 11:23 pm, Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfr...@ix.net com.comwrote:

>On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 18:04:40 -0700 (PDT), rdab...@gmail.c om declaimed the
>following in comp.lang.pytho n:
>>
>>
>>

Hi Daniel,
Thanks for your reply..
I've done exactly as you suggested...but I'm still having problem with
the read...it just gets stuck in
the read ( I think because its a blocking read...)

>>
> And it is likely blocking because the subprocess is doing buffered
>output -- ie, nothing is available to be read because the output has not
>been flushed.
>>
> This is a problem with most programs when run as a subprocess -- it
>is common for stdout, when routed to a pipe or file, to behave as a
>buffered stream that only flushes when some x-bytes have been written;
>unlike stdout to a console which gets flushed on each new-line.
>--
> Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber KD6MOG
> wlfr...@ix.netc om.com wulfr...@bestia ria.com
> HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/
> (Bestiaria Support Staff: web-a...@bestiaria. com)
> HTTP://www.bestiaria.com/

>
>
>Is there way to configure the stdout buffer size so that it flushes
>earlier..
>Is there a way to make above mentioned piece code working?

I'm not so sure it is a buffer problem. To test this out I first created a
'p2.py' script...

from subprocess import *
import os
p=Popen('Consol eApplication1.e xe',stdin=PIPE, stdout=PIPE,uni versal_newlines =True)
print p.stdout.readli ne()[:-1] # strip \n from end of line
p.stdin.write(' hi' + os.linesep)
print p.stdout.readli ne()[:-1]
p.stdin.write(' bye' + os.linesep)
print p.stdout.readli ne()[:-1]
p.stdin.close()
p.stdout.close( )

I then created the following VB console application (this is the 'process'
that is being 'Popen'd and is in my %PATH%)...

Module Module1
Dim x As String
Sub Main()
Console.WriteLi ne("Process started...")
x = Console.ReadLin e()
Console.WriteLi ne(x)
x = Console.ReadLin e()
Console.WriteLi ne(x)
End Sub
End Module

Here is the output when I run it...

C:\home\python> python p2.py
Process started...
hi
bye

Note that I didn't have to 'flush()' anything.

I got the same thing working with a C program. I don't know why it won't
work with a similar python script...

import sys
sys.stdout.writ e('process started...\n')
r = sys.stdin.readl ine()
sys.stdout.writ e(r + '\n')
s = sys.stdin.readl ine()
sys.stdout.writ e(s + '\n')

I called this 'p3.py'. When I plug this into the 'p2.py' script I get
nothing, it just hangs. So maybe there is something else I am missing.

I normally don't do things this way cos there are os size limits to what you
can send/recv, so I use my own protocol (similar to netstrings) for
communication.

Daniel Klein

**Nicola Musatti** · Jun 27 '08, 04:28 PM

Re: Help need with subprocess communicate

On Jun 4, 9:56 am, Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfr...@ix.net com.comwrote:

On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 23:48:38 -0700 (PDT), rdab...@gmail.c om declaimed the
following in comp.lang.pytho n:
>

Is there way to configure the stdout buffer size so that it flushes
earlier..
Is there a way to make above mentioned piece code working?

>
I believe there is a command line argument that will set Python into
an unbuffered mode... BUT, unless the spawned process/program has some
similar option, you have no control over its output.

Which is why the Cookbook recipe I pointed to in my other message
appears to be a superior alternative. Its author works around this
problem by subclassing Popen to use non blocking I/O.

I used it to drive ClearCase's cleartool interactive tool and it works
very well. The only problem I encountered is that it doesn't mix well
with framework that have their own event loop (wxPython in my case),
but you can't really expect that to work.

Cheers,
Nicola Musatti

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