Windows - window status (Running vs Not Responding)

[rdahlstrom]

Does anyone know how to determine the window status (Running or Not
Responding)? I've tried various methods with no success...

This would be on a variety of Windows systems, but all at least XP,
and mostly server 2003. Everyone will have Python 2.5.1 on them, and
the script would be running locally.

Any ideas?

[rdahlstrom]

Re: Windows - window status (Running vs Not Responding)

On Apr 11, 1:45 pm, rdahlstrom <roger.dahlst.. .@gmail.comwrot e:

Does anyone know how to determine the window status (Running or Not
Responding)? I've tried various methods with no success...
>
This would be on a variety of Windows systems, but all at least XP,
and mostly server 2003. Everyone will have Python 2.5.1 on them, and
the script would be running locally.
>
Any ideas?

Basically, I'm looking for something similar to the Process.Respond ing
property in System.Diagnost ics...

[Tim Golden]

Re: Windows - window status (Running vs Not Responding)

rdahlstrom wrote:

On Apr 11, 1:45 pm, rdahlstrom <roger.dahlst.. .@gmail.comwrot e:

>Does anyone know how to determine the window status (Running or Not
>Responding)? I've tried various methods with no success...
>>
>This would be on a variety of Windows systems, but all at least XP,
>and mostly server 2003. Everyone will have Python 2.5.1 on them, and
>the script would be running locally.
>>
>Any ideas?

>
>
Basically, I'm looking for something similar to the Process.Respond ing
property in System.Diagnost ics...

Well one (slightly drastic) possibility might be to use IronPython [1]
or Python.NET [2] to invoke the .Net functionality directly. AFAIK there
is no direct alternative: I believe that WMI can be a useful match
for System.Diagnost ics but doesn't deal with windows (ie user-interface
elements). Presumably you could find a top-level window for each
process, using something vaguely like this [3] coupled with this [4]
and send it a suitable SendMessage to "ping" it. Haven't done it myself
but can't see why it shouldn't work.

All a bit handwavey but maybe it'll point you somewhere...

TJG

[1] http://www.codeplex.com/Wiki/View.as...ame=IronPython
[2] http://pythonnet.sourceforge.net/
[3] http://timgolden.me.uk/python/wmi_co...ning_processes
[4]

http://timgolden.me.uk/python/win32_how_do_i/find-the-window-for-my-subprocess.html

[Mike Driscoll]

Re: Windows - window status (Running vs Not Responding)

On Apr 11, 2:10 pm, rdahlstrom <roger.dahlst.. .@gmail.comwrot e:

On Apr 11, 1:45 pm, rdahlstrom <roger.dahlst.. .@gmail.comwrot e:
>

Does anyone know how to determine the window status (Running or Not
Responding)? I've tried various methods with no success...

>

This would be on a variety of Windows systems, but all at least XP,
and mostly server 2003. Everyone will have Python 2.5.1 on them, and
the script would be running locally.

>

Any ideas?

>
Basically, I'm looking for something similar to the Process.Respond ing
property in System.Diagnost ics...

Hmmm...I think you should re-post to the Python win32 group. They'll
know the answer, if there is one. Here's the link to get signed up:

http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32

Also, you might take a look at the WMI module:

http://tgolden.sc.sabren.com/python/wmi.html

I'm pretty sure it can do that, but I don't know how. I did find an
article on it:

http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=19489&seqNum=4

If you're better than I am, you can probably translate this to the
Python equivalent. Zenoss also has some monitoring software that's
open source Python code.

Mike

[Tim Golden]

Re: Windows - window status (Running vs Not Responding)

Mike Driscoll wrote:

http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=19489&seqNum=4

>
If you're better than I am, you can probably translate this to the
Python equivalent. Zenoss also has some monitoring software that's
open source Python code.

I'm afraid that article only allows you to determine whether
a known executable is running, If that's what the OP's after,
then you can do as much by querying WMI thusly:

<code>
import wmi
c = wmi.WMI ()

EXE = "notepad.ex e"
for process in c.Win32_Process (Caption=EXE):
print process
break
else:
print "None found"

</code>

TJG

[Roger Dahlstrom]

Re: Windows - window status (Running vs Not Responding)

On Apr 11, 3:46 pm, Tim Golden <m...@timgolden .me.ukwrote:

rdahlstrom wrote:

On Apr 11, 1:45 pm, rdahlstrom <roger.dahlst.. .@gmail.comwrot e:

Does anyone know how to determine the window status (Running or Not
Responding)? I've tried various methods with no success...

>

This would be on a variety of Windows systems, but all at least XP,
and mostly server 2003. Everyone will have Python 2.5.1 on them, and
the script would be running locally.

>

Any ideas?

>

Basically, I'm looking for something similar to the Process.Respond ing
property in System.Diagnost ics...

>
Well one (slightly drastic) possibility might be to use IronPython [1]
or Python.NET [2] to invoke the .Net functionality directly. AFAIK there
is no direct alternative: I believe that WMI can be a useful match
for System.Diagnost ics but doesn't deal with windows (ie user-interface
elements). Presumably you could find a top-level window for each
process, using something vaguely like this [3] coupled with this [4]
and send it a suitable SendMessage to "ping" it. Haven't done it myself
but can't see why it shouldn't work.
>
All a bit handwavey but maybe it'll point you somewhere...
>
TJG
>
[1]http://www.codeplex.co m/Wiki/View.aspx?Proje ctName=IronPyth on
[2]http://pythonnet.sourc eforge.net/
[3]http://timgolden.me.uk/python/wmi_cookbook.ht ml#running_proc esses
[4]http://timgolden.me.uk/python/win32_how_do_i/find-the-window-for-my-s...

You know, I thought about sending it a message, but I found that, in
testing, I am able to move, resize, and copy text from a "Not
Responding" window. I was having a tough time figuring out a suitable
message that I could send a generic window, one that I had no idea
about what it had available to me. Other than sending it a graceful
exit message (which I really don't want to do), have you any ides
about what to send it?

[Roger Dahlstrom]

Re: Windows - window status (Running vs Not Responding)

On Apr 11, 3:54 pm, Mike Driscoll <kyoso...@gmail .comwrote:

On Apr 11, 2:10 pm, rdahlstrom <roger.dahlst.. .@gmail.comwrot e:
>

On Apr 11, 1:45 pm, rdahlstrom <roger.dahlst.. .@gmail.comwrot e:

>

Does anyone know how to determine the window status (Running or Not
Responding)? I've tried various methods with no success...

>

This would be on a variety of Windows systems, but all at least XP,
and mostly server 2003. Everyone will have Python 2.5.1 on them, and
the script would be running locally.

>

Any ideas?

>

Basically, I'm looking for something similar to the Process.Respond ing
property in System.Diagnost ics...

>
Hmmm...I think you should re-post to the Python win32 group. They'll
know the answer, if there is one. Here's the link to get signed up:http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
>
Also, you might take a look at the WMI module:
>

http://tgolden.sc.sabren.com/python/wmi.html

>
I'm pretty sure it can do that, but I don't know how. I did find an
article on it:
>

http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=19489&seqNum=4

>
If you're better than I am, you can probably translate this to the
Python equivalent. Zenoss also has some monitoring software that's
open source Python code.
>
Mike

I thought about posting to the win32 group, but in looking at all of
the win32 apis, I couldn't find anything that did this - other than
System.Diagnost ic in c#, which isn't available to win32 (nor would you
expect it to be, I guess)

[Roger Dahlstrom]

Re: Windows - window status (Running vs Not Responding)

On Apr 11, 3:46 pm, Tim Golden <m...@timgolden .me.ukwrote:

rdahlstrom wrote:

On Apr 11, 1:45 pm, rdahlstrom <roger.dahlst.. .@gmail.comwrot e:

Does anyone know how to determine the window status (Running or Not
Responding)? I've tried various methods with no success...

>

This would be on a variety of Windows systems, but all at least XP,
and mostly server 2003. Everyone will have Python 2.5.1 on them, and
the script would be running locally.

>

Any ideas?

>

Basically, I'm looking for something similar to the Process.Respond ing
property in System.Diagnost ics...

>
Well one (slightly drastic) possibility might be to use IronPython [1]
or Python.NET [2] to invoke the .Net functionality directly. AFAIK there
is no direct alternative: I believe that WMI can be a useful match
for System.Diagnost ics but doesn't deal with windows (ie user-interface
elements). Presumably you could find a top-level window for each
process, using something vaguely like this [3] coupled with this [4]
and send it a suitable SendMessage to "ping" it. Haven't done it myself
but can't see why it shouldn't work.
>
All a bit handwavey but maybe it'll point you somewhere...
>
TJG
>
[1]http://www.codeplex.co m/Wiki/View.aspx?Proje ctName=IronPyth on
[2]http://pythonnet.sourc eforge.net/
[3]http://timgolden.me.uk/python/wmi_cookbook.ht ml#running_proc esses
[4]http://timgolden.me.uk/python/win32_how_do_i/find-the-window-for-my-s...

I had actually contemplated using ctypes and linking the .dll
directly, but even though I'm running 32 bit Python, some of the
machines that I want to run this on are 64 bit windows, so it doesn't
work. If I get desperate, I'll check out IronPython, but I'd really
like to stay (as much as possible) with our standard package (2.5.1
with wmi/win32)

[Mike Driscoll]

Re: Windows - window status (Running vs Not Responding)

On Apr 11, 3:22 pm, Tim Golden <m...@timgolden .me.ukwrote:

Mike Driscoll wrote:

http://www.informit.com/articles/art...19489&seqNum=4

>

If you're better than I am, you can probably translate this to the
Python equivalent. Zenoss also has some monitoring software that's
open source Python code.

>
I'm afraid that article only allows you to determine whether
a known executable is running, If that's what the OP's after,
then you can do as much by querying WMI thusly:
>
<code>
import wmi
c = wmi.WMI ()
>
EXE = "notepad.ex e"
for process in c.Win32_Process (Caption=EXE):
print process
break
else:
print "None found"
>
</code>
>
TJG

Tim,

Oh well. I guess my Google-Fu failed me this time around. Thanks for
looking at it though.

Mike

[Tim Golden]

Re: Windows - window status (Running vs Not Responding)

rdahlstrom wrote:

On Apr 11, 1:45 pm, rdahlstrom <roger.dahlst.. .@gmail.comwrot e:

>Does anyone know how to determine the window status (Running or Not
>Responding)? I've tried various methods with no success...
>>
>This would be on a variety of Windows systems, but all at least XP,
>and mostly server 2003. Everyone will have Python 2.5.1 on them, and
>the script would be running locally.
>>
>Any ideas?

>
>
Basically, I'm looking for something similar to the Process.Respond ing
property in System.Diagnost ics...

Well one (slightly drastic) possibility might be to use IronPython [1]
or Python.NET [2] to invoke the .Net functionality directly. AFAIK there
is no direct alternative: I believe that WMI can be a useful match
for System.Diagnost ics but doesn't deal with windows (ie user-interface
elements). Presumably you could find a top-level window for each
process, using something vaguely like this [3] coupled with this [4]
and send it a suitable SendMessage to "ping" it. Haven't done it myself
but can't see why it shouldn't work.

All a bit handwavey but maybe it'll point you somewhere...

TJG

[1] http://www.codeplex.com/Wiki/View.as...ame=IronPython
[2] http://pythonnet.sourceforge.net/
[3] http://timgolden.me.uk/python/wmi_co...ning_processes
[4]

http://timgolden.me.uk/python/win32_how_do_i/find-the-window-for-my-subprocess.html

[Mike Driscoll]

Re: Windows - window status (Running vs Not Responding)

On Apr 11, 2:10 pm, rdahlstrom <roger.dahlst.. .@gmail.comwrot e:

On Apr 11, 1:45 pm, rdahlstrom <roger.dahlst.. .@gmail.comwrot e:
>

Does anyone know how to determine the window status (Running or Not
Responding)? I've tried various methods with no success...

>

This would be on a variety of Windows systems, but all at least XP,
and mostly server 2003. Everyone will have Python 2.5.1 on them, and
the script would be running locally.

>

Any ideas?

>
Basically, I'm looking for something similar to the Process.Respond ing
property in System.Diagnost ics...

Hmmm...I think you should re-post to the Python win32 group. They'll
know the answer, if there is one. Here's the link to get signed up:

http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32

Also, you might take a look at the WMI module:

http://tgolden.sc.sabren.com/python/wmi.html

I'm pretty sure it can do that, but I don't know how. I did find an
article on it:

http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=19489&seqNum=4

If you're better than I am, you can probably translate this to the
Python equivalent. Zenoss also has some monitoring software that's
open source Python code.

Mike

[Tim Golden]

Re: Windows - window status (Running vs Not Responding)

Mike Driscoll wrote:

http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=19489&seqNum=4

>
If you're better than I am, you can probably translate this to the
Python equivalent. Zenoss also has some monitoring software that's
open source Python code.

I'm afraid that article only allows you to determine whether
a known executable is running, If that's what the OP's after,
then you can do as much by querying WMI thusly:

<code>
import wmi
c = wmi.WMI ()

EXE = "notepad.ex e"
for process in c.Win32_Process (Caption=EXE):
print process
break
else:
print "None found"

</code>

TJG

[Roger Dahlstrom]

Re: Windows - window status (Running vs Not Responding)

On Apr 11, 3:46 pm, Tim Golden <m...@timgolden .me.ukwrote:

rdahlstrom wrote:

On Apr 11, 1:45 pm, rdahlstrom <roger.dahlst.. .@gmail.comwrot e:

Does anyone know how to determine the window status (Running or Not
Responding)? I've tried various methods with no success...

>

This would be on a variety of Windows systems, but all at least XP,
and mostly server 2003. Everyone will have Python 2.5.1 on them, and
the script would be running locally.

>

Any ideas?

>

Basically, I'm looking for something similar to the Process.Respond ing
property in System.Diagnost ics...

>
Well one (slightly drastic) possibility might be to use IronPython [1]
or Python.NET [2] to invoke the .Net functionality directly. AFAIK there
is no direct alternative: I believe that WMI can be a useful match
for System.Diagnost ics but doesn't deal with windows (ie user-interface
elements). Presumably you could find a top-level window for each
process, using something vaguely like this [3] coupled with this [4]
and send it a suitable SendMessage to "ping" it. Haven't done it myself
but can't see why it shouldn't work.
>
All a bit handwavey but maybe it'll point you somewhere...
>
TJG
>
[1]http://www.codeplex.co m/Wiki/View.aspx?Proje ctName=IronPyth on
[2]http://pythonnet.sourc eforge.net/
[3]http://timgolden.me.uk/python/wmi_cookbook.ht ml#running_proc esses
[4]http://timgolden.me.uk/python/win32_how_do_i/find-the-window-for-my-s...

You know, I thought about sending it a message, but I found that, in
testing, I am able to move, resize, and copy text from a "Not
Responding" window. I was having a tough time figuring out a suitable
message that I could send a generic window, one that I had no idea
about what it had available to me. Other than sending it a graceful
exit message (which I really don't want to do), have you any ides
about what to send it?

[Roger Dahlstrom]

Re: Windows - window status (Running vs Not Responding)

On Apr 11, 3:54 pm, Mike Driscoll <kyoso...@gmail .comwrote:

On Apr 11, 2:10 pm, rdahlstrom <roger.dahlst.. .@gmail.comwrot e:
>

On Apr 11, 1:45 pm, rdahlstrom <roger.dahlst.. .@gmail.comwrot e:

>

Does anyone know how to determine the window status (Running or Not
Responding)? I've tried various methods with no success...

>

This would be on a variety of Windows systems, but all at least XP,
and mostly server 2003. Everyone will have Python 2.5.1 on them, and
the script would be running locally.

>

Any ideas?

>

Basically, I'm looking for something similar to the Process.Respond ing
property in System.Diagnost ics...

>
Hmmm...I think you should re-post to the Python win32 group. They'll
know the answer, if there is one. Here's the link to get signed up:http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
>
Also, you might take a look at the WMI module:
>

http://tgolden.sc.sabren.com/python/wmi.html

>
I'm pretty sure it can do that, but I don't know how. I did find an
article on it:
>

http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=19489&seqNum=4

>
If you're better than I am, you can probably translate this to the
Python equivalent. Zenoss also has some monitoring software that's
open source Python code.
>
Mike

I thought about posting to the win32 group, but in looking at all of
the win32 apis, I couldn't find anything that did this - other than
System.Diagnost ic in c#, which isn't available to win32 (nor would you
expect it to be, I guess)

[Roger Dahlstrom]

Re: Windows - window status (Running vs Not Responding)

On Apr 11, 3:46 pm, Tim Golden <m...@timgolden .me.ukwrote:

rdahlstrom wrote:

On Apr 11, 1:45 pm, rdahlstrom <roger.dahlst.. .@gmail.comwrot e:

Does anyone know how to determine the window status (Running or Not
Responding)? I've tried various methods with no success...

>

This would be on a variety of Windows systems, but all at least XP,
and mostly server 2003. Everyone will have Python 2.5.1 on them, and
the script would be running locally.

>

Any ideas?

>

Basically, I'm looking for something similar to the Process.Respond ing
property in System.Diagnost ics...

>
Well one (slightly drastic) possibility might be to use IronPython [1]
or Python.NET [2] to invoke the .Net functionality directly. AFAIK there
is no direct alternative: I believe that WMI can be a useful match
for System.Diagnost ics but doesn't deal with windows (ie user-interface
elements). Presumably you could find a top-level window for each
process, using something vaguely like this [3] coupled with this [4]
and send it a suitable SendMessage to "ping" it. Haven't done it myself
but can't see why it shouldn't work.
>
All a bit handwavey but maybe it'll point you somewhere...
>
TJG
>
[1]http://www.codeplex.co m/Wiki/View.aspx?Proje ctName=IronPyth on
[2]http://pythonnet.sourc eforge.net/
[3]http://timgolden.me.uk/python/wmi_cookbook.ht ml#running_proc esses
[4]http://timgolden.me.uk/python/win32_how_do_i/find-the-window-for-my-s...

I had actually contemplated using ctypes and linking the .dll
directly, but even though I'm running 32 bit Python, some of the
machines that I want to run this on are 64 bit windows, so it doesn't
work. If I get desperate, I'll check out IronPython, but I'd really
like to stay (as much as possible) with our standard package (2.5.1
with wmi/win32)