Psyco alternative

[king kikapu]

Hi,

it seems that Psyco's author will not port it for the upcoming Python
3000 release :(
So, for us who use it we will continue to use CPython 2.5.x version
for some time to come. Is there an alternative to Psyco so i can have
a look at ?

Thanks in advance.

[Paul Rubin]

Re: Psyco alternative

king kikapu <aboudouvas@pan afonet.grwrites :

it seems that Psyco's author will not port it for the upcoming Python
3000 release :(

I think the idea is it will be part of PyPy and you should use that.

[king kikapu]

Re: Psyco alternative

On 27 Ìáñ, 14:35, Paul Rubin <http://phr...@NOSPAM.i nvalidwrote:

king kikapu <aboudou...@pan afonet.grwrites :

it seems that Psyco's author will not port it for the upcoming Python
3000 release :(

>
I think the idea is it will be part of PyPy and you should use that.

I know that his efforts are on PyPy now but i do not know when PyPy is
going to be stable and if i can use it with my current "developmen t
stack" (PyQt, Eric4 etc). I mean, i do not know if it will be possible
to "abandon" CPYthon and use PyPy instead.

[Diez B. Roggisch]

Re: Psyco alternative

king kikapu wrote:

On 27 Μαρ, 14:35, Paul Rubin <http://phr...@NOSPAM.i nvalidwrote:

>king kikapu <aboudou...@pan afonet.grwrites :

it seems that Psyco's author will not port it for the upcoming Python
3000 release :(

>>
>I think the idea is it will be part of PyPy and you should use that.

>
I know that his efforts are on PyPy now but i do not know when PyPy is
going to be stable and if i can use it with my current "developmen t
stack" (PyQt, Eric4 etc). I mean, i do not know if it will be possible
to "abandon" CPYthon and use PyPy instead.

Currently? No way. It's *way* to slow.

Diez

[king kikapu]

Re: Psyco alternative

On 27 Ìáñ, 15:56, "Diez B. Roggisch" <de...@nospam.w eb.dewrote:

king kikapu wrote:

On 27 Ìáñ, 14:35, Paul Rubin <http://phr...@NOSPAM.i nvalidwrote:

king kikapu <aboudou...@pan afonet.grwrites :
it seems that Psyco's author will not port it for the upcoming Python
3000 release :(

>

I think the idea is it will be part of PyPy and you should use that.

>

I know that his efforts are on PyPy now but i do not know when PyPy is
going to be stable and if i can use it with my current "developmen t
stack" (PyQt, Eric4 etc). I mean, i do not know if it will be possible
to "abandon" CPYthon and use PyPy instead.

>
Currently? No way. It's *way* to slow.
>
Diez

Ok, i know this. The one that i do not know, is if, let'say, in 2
years it will be ready for seriously development, PyPy will aim to
"replace" CPython entirely ?? We are talking about an whole new
distribution ?

As for psyco, are there any alternatives to use now ?

[Stefan Behnel]

Re: Psyco alternative

king kikapu wrote:

>>As for psyco, are there any alternatives to use now ?

>But ultimately, the author says that the approach is flawed, so at *some*
>point it will be discontinued. But that could be said about nearly
>everything, couldn't it?
>>

It is a pity because this module *does* really solve some problems...

If it's about "some problems", then maybe Cython is an alternative.

http://cython.org

Stefan

[king kikapu]

Re: Psyco alternative

If it's about "some problems", then maybe Cython is an alternative.

>

http://cython.org

>
Stefan

Hmmm...thanks but i think Pyrex-like solution is not the ideal one.
Coming from C# and having 8 years of expertise on it, i have gain a
very positive thinking about jit compilers and i think that psyco (ok,
a just-in-time specializer) is a more easy (and more correct) way to
go that mixing 2 languages.

[bearophileHUGS@lycos.com]

Re: Psyco alternative

Diez B. Roggisch:

the author says that the approach is flawed, so at *some*
point it will be discontinued.

Can't Psyco be improved, so it can compile things like:

nums = (i for i in xrange(200000) if i % 2)
print sum(nums)

I think the current Psyco runs slower than Python with generators/
iterators. To speed up that code with Psyco you have to write this:

nums = [i for i in xrange(200000) if i % 2]
print sum(nums)

Bye,
bearophile

[Christian Tismer]

Re: Psyco alternative

bearophileHUGS@ lycos.com wrote:

Diez B. Roggisch:

>the author says that the approach is flawed, so at *some*
>point it will be discontinued.

>
Can't Psyco be improved, so it can compile things like:
>
nums = (i for i in xrange(200000) if i % 2)
print sum(nums)

Although my main goal is to support PyPy as much as possible,
I am currently taking a pause in favor of filling the gap
for psyco, supporting generators. The details are not yet
settled, maybe we choose to change the project name,
to avoid the author getting bugged with questions about
this extra stuff.

- chris

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[sturlamolden]

Re: Psyco alternative

On Mar 27, 4:02 pm, king kikapu <aboudou...@pan afonet.grwrote:

As for psyco, are there any alternatives to use now ?

When Cython has implemented all of Python's syntax, we can replace
CPython's compiler and bytecode interpreter with Cython and a C
compiler. Cython can be one or two orders of magnitude faster than
CPython.

[sturlamolden]

Re: Psyco alternative

On Mar 27, 5:01 pm, king kikapu <aboudou...@pan afonet.grwrote:

Hmmm...thanks but i think Pyrex-like solution is not the ideal one.
Coming from C# and having 8 years of expertise on it, i have gain a
very positive thinking about jit compilers and i think that psyco (ok,
a just-in-time specializer) is a more easy (and more correct) way to
go that mixing 2 languages.

[sturlamolden]

Re: Psyco alternative

On Mar 27, 5:01 pm, king kikapu <aboudou...@pan afonet.grwrote:

Hmmm...thanks but i think Pyrex-like solution is not the ideal one.
Coming from C# and having 8 years of expertise on it, i have gain a
very positive thinking about jit compilers and i think that psyco (ok,
a just-in-time specializer) is a more easy (and more correct) way to
go that mixing 2 languages.

The problem with Python, when we are talking out jit compilation, is
it's reliance on attribute lookups in hash tables. Java and C# do not
have dynamically bound attributes, and can implement classes using
vtables. Attributes cannot be rebound in Java or C#. A Python jit
cannot even do elementary optimizations like keeping an integer in a
register. This makes it a lot easier to make an efficient jit compiler
for Java or C#. Python is more like Common Lisp. There is no efficient
jit for Lisp. But there are very fast implementations that depend on
optional static typing (e.g. SBCL and CMUCL). That could be an option
of Python as well, by including something like Cython and a C
compiler. Any module that has a cdef is passed to Cython and CC
instead of the usual bytecode compiler and interpreter.

[sturlamolden]

Re: Psyco alternative

On Mar 28, 8:06 pm, Paul Boddie <p...@boddie.or g.ukwrote:

From what I've seen from browsing publicly accessible materials,
there's a certain commercial interest in seeing Psyco updated
somewhat.

YouTube uses Psyco.