Finding Peoples' Names in Files

[brad]

Crazy question, but has anyone attempted this or seen Python code that
does? For example, if a text file contained 'Guido' and or 'Robert' and
or 'Susan', then we should return True, otherwise return False.

[cokofreedom@gmail.com]

Re: Finding Peoples' Names in Files

On Oct 11, 5:22 pm, brad <byte8b...@gmai l.comwrote:

Crazy question, but has anyone attempted this or seen Python code that
does? For example, if a text file contained 'Guido' and or 'Robert' and
or 'Susan', then we should return True, otherwise return False.

Can't you just use the string function .findall() ?

[Tim Williams]

Re: Finding Peoples' Names in Files

On 11/10/2007, brad <byte8bits@gmai l.comwrote:

Crazy question, but has anyone attempted this or seen Python code that
does? For example, if a text file contained 'Guido' and or 'Robert' and
or 'Susan', then we should return True, otherwise return False.
--

http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

>

Text = open(fname).rea d()

def a_function():
for Name in ['Guido', Robert',Susan']:
if Name in Text:
return 1

if a_function():
print "A name was found"

:)

[brad]

Re: Finding Peoples' Names in Files

cokofreedom@gma il.com wrote:

On Oct 11, 5:22 pm, brad <byte8b...@gmai l.comwrote:

>Crazy question, but has anyone attempted this or seen Python code that
>does? For example, if a text file contained 'Guido' and or 'Robert' and
>or 'Susan', then we should return True, otherwise return False.

>
Can't you just use the string function .findall() ?
>

I mean *any* possible person's name... I don't *know* the names
beforehand :)

[Francesco Guerrieri]

Re: Finding Peoples' Names in Files

On 10/11/07, brad <byte8bits@gmai l.comwrote:

cokofreedom@gma il.com wrote:

On Oct 11, 5:22 pm, brad <byte8b...@gmai l.comwrote:

Crazy question, but has anyone attempted this or seen Python code that
does? For example, if a text file contained 'Guido' and or 'Robert' and
or 'Susan', then we should return True, otherwise return False.

Can't you just use the string function .findall() ?

>
I mean *any* possible person's name... I don't *know* the names
beforehand :)

"I cannot combine some characters

dhcmrlchtdj

which the divine Library has not foreseen and which in one of
its secret tongues do not contain a terrible meaning. No one can
articulate a syllable which is not filled with tenderness and fear,
which is not, in one of these languages, the powerful name of a god."

Jorge Luis Borges, The Library of Babel

[brad]

Re: Finding Peoples' Names in Files

cokofreedom@gma il.com wrote:

However...how can you know it is a name...

OK, I admitted in my first post that it was a crazy question, but if one
could find an answer, one would be onto something. Maybe it's not a 100%
answerable question, but I would guess that it is an 80% answerable
question... I just don't know how... yet :)

Besides admitting that it's a crazy question, I should stop and explain
how it would be useful to me at least. Is a credit card number itself
valuable? I would think not. One can easily re and luhn check for credit
card numbers located in files with a great degree of accuracy, but a
number without a name is not very useful to me. So, if one could
associate names to luhn checked numbers automatically, then one would be
onto something. Or at least say, "hey, this file has luhn validated CCs
*AND* it seems to have people's names in it as well." Now then, I'd have
less to review or perhaps as much as I have now, but I could push the
files with numbers and names to the top of the list so that they would
be reviewed first.

Brad

[Matimus]

Re: Finding Peoples' Names in Files

On Oct 11, 9:11 am, brad <byte8b...@gmai l.comwrote:

cokofree...@gma il.com wrote:

However...how can you know it is a name...

>
OK, I admitted in my first post that it was a crazy question, but if one
could find an answer, one would be onto something. Maybe it's not a 100%
answerable question, but I would guess that it is an 80% answerable
question... I just don't know how... yet :)
>
Besides admitting that it's a crazy question, I should stop and explain
how it would be useful to me at least. Is a credit card number itself
valuable? I would think not. One can easily re and luhn check for credit
card numbers located in files with a great degree of accuracy, but a
number without a name is not very useful to me. So, if one could
associate names to luhn checked numbers automatically, then one would be
onto something. Or at least say, "hey, this file has luhn validated CCs
*AND* it seems to have people's names in it as well." Now then, I'd have
less to review or perhaps as much as I have now, but I could push the
files with numbers and names to the top of the list so that they would
be reviewed first.
>
Brad

What the hell are you doing? Your post sounds to me like you have a
huge amount of stolen, or at the very least misapprehended, data. Now
you want to search it for credit card numbers and names so that you
can use them.

I am not cool with this! This is a public forum about a programming
language. What makes you think that anybody in this forum will be cool
with that. Perhaps you aren't doing anything illegal, but it sure is
coming off that way. If you are doing something illegal I hope you get
caught.

At the very least, you might want to clarify why you are looking for
such capability so that you don't get effectively black-listed (well,
by me at least).

Matt

[Dan Stromberg]

Re: Finding Peoples' Names in Files

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:22:50 -0400, brad wrote:

Crazy question, but has anyone attempted this or seen Python code that
does? For example, if a text file contained 'Guido' and or 'Robert' and
or 'Susan', then we should return True, otherwise return False.

It'll be hard to handle the Dweezil's and Moon Unit's of the world (I
believe these are Frank Zappa's kids?), but you could compile a list of
reasonably common names by gaining access to a usenet news spool, and
pulling the names from the headers.

But then this is starting to sound dangerously like a spam campaign - in
which case, "Please don't!".

[byte8bits@gmail.com]

Re: Finding Peoples' Names in Files

On Oct 11, 12:49 pm, Matimus <mccre...@gmail .comwrote:

On Oct 11, 9:11 am, brad <byte8b...@gmai l.comwrote:
>
>
>

cokofree...@gma il.com wrote:

However...how can you know it is a name...

>

OK, I admitted in my first post that it was a crazy question, but if one
could find an answer, one would be onto something. Maybe it's not a 100%
answerable question, but I would guess that it is an 80% answerable
question... I just don't know how... yet :)

>

Besides admitting that it's a crazy question, I should stop and explain
how it would be useful to me at least. Is a credit card number itself
valuable? I would think not. One can easily re and luhn check for credit
card numbers located in files with a great degree of accuracy, but a
number without a name is not very useful to me. So, if one could
associate names to luhn checked numbers automatically, then one would be
onto something. Or at least say, "hey, this file has luhn validated CCs
*AND* it seems to have people's names in it as well." Now then, I'd have
less to review or perhaps as much as I have now, but I could push the
files with numbers and names to the top of the list so that they would
be reviewed first.

>

Brad

>
What the hell are you doing? Your post sounds to me like you have a
huge amount of stolen, or at the very least misapprehended, data. Now
you want to search it for credit card numbers and names so that you
can use them.
>
I am not cool with this! This is a public forum about a programming
language. What makes you think that anybody in this forum will be cool
with that. Perhaps you aren't doing anything illegal, but it sure is
coming off that way. If you are doing something illegal I hope you get
caught.
>
At the very least, you might want to clarify why you are looking for
such capability so that you don't get effectively black-listed (well,
by me at least).
>
Matt

Go have a beer and calm down a bit :) It's a legitimate purpose,
although it could (and probably is being used by bad guys right now).
My intent, as you can see from the links below, is to catch it before
the bad guys do.

http://filebox.vt.edu/users/rtilley/public/find_ccns/

http://filebox.vt.edu/users/rtilley/public/find_ssns/

Brad

[John J. Lee]

Re: Finding Peoples' Names in Files

brad <byte8bits@gmai l.comwrites:

Crazy question, but has anyone attempted this or seen Python code that
does? For example, if a text file contained 'Guido' and or 'Robert'
and or 'Susan', then we should return True, otherwise return False.

A few ideas:

1. If you don't have a list of names, find a list of words that
doesn't contain proper nouns (there are a few word lists out there,
not sure if any exclude people's names, though). Look for short runs
of two or three "words" (punctuation-separated tokens) in the email
that aren't in the dictionary. Some of them will be people's names.

2. Send the text through Google translate and look for runs of words
that are unchanged. Some of them will be people's names.

3. Search the literature and look for fancy algorithms. Here are some
papers (the last mentions some commercial software to do this):

http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/bikel99algorithm.html

http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/618945.html

http://arxiv.org/html/cmp-lg/9706017

John

[Chris Mellon]

Re: Finding Peoples' Names in Files

On 10/11/07, byte8bits@gmail .com <byte8bits@gmai l.comwrote:

On Oct 11, 12:49 pm, Matimus <mccre...@gmail .comwrote:

On Oct 11, 9:11 am, brad <byte8b...@gmai l.comwrote:

cokofree...@gma il.com wrote:
However...how can you know it is a name...

OK, I admitted in my first post that it was a crazy question, but if one
could find an answer, one would be onto something. Maybe it's not a 100%
answerable question, but I would guess that it is an 80% answerable
question... I just don't know how... yet :)

Besides admitting that it's a crazy question, I should stop and explain
how it would be useful to me at least. Is a credit card number itself
valuable? I would think not. One can easily re and luhn check for credit
card numbers located in files with a great degree of accuracy, but a
number without a name is not very useful to me. So, if one could
associate names to luhn checked numbers automatically, then one would be
onto something. Or at least say, "hey, this file has luhn validated CCs
*AND* it seems to have people's names in it as well." Now then, I'd have
less to review or perhaps as much as I have now, but I could push the
files with numbers and names to the top of the list so that they would
be reviewed first.

Brad

What the hell are you doing? Your post sounds to me like you have a
huge amount of stolen, or at the very least misapprehended, data. Now
you want to search it for credit card numbers and names so that you
can use them.

I am not cool with this! This is a public forum about a programming
language. What makes you think that anybody in this forum will be cool
with that. Perhaps you aren't doing anything illegal, but it sure is
coming off that way. If you are doing something illegal I hope you get
caught.

At the very least, you might want to clarify why you are looking for
such capability so that you don't get effectively black-listed (well,
by me at least).

Matt

>
Go have a beer and calm down a bit :) It's a legitimate purpose,
although it could (and probably is being used by bad guys right now).
My intent, as you can see from the links below, is to catch it before
the bad guys do.
>

http://filebox.vt.edu/users/rtilley/public/find_ccns/

http://filebox.vt.edu/users/rtilley/public/find_ssns/

>
Brad
>

In case you're doing this for PCI validation, be aware that just the
CC number is considered sensitive and you'd get some false negatives
if you filter on anything except that.

Random strings that match CC checksums are really quite rare and false
positives from that alone are unlikely to be a problem. Unless I
deployed this and there was a significant false positive rate I
wouldn't risk the false negatives, personally.

[brad]

Re: Finding Peoples' Names in Files

Chris Mellon wrote:

In case you're doing this for PCI validation, be aware that just the
CC number is considered sensitive and you'd get some false negatives
if you filter on anything except that.
>
Random strings that match CC checksums are really quite rare and false
positives from that alone are unlikely to be a problem. Unless I
deployed this and there was a significant false positive rate I
wouldn't risk the false negatives, personally.

Yes, it is for PCI. Our rate of false positives is low, very low. I
wasn't aware that a number alone was a PCI violation. Thank you! On
another note, we're a university (Virginia Tech) and we're subject to
FERPA, HIPPA, GLBA, etc... in addition to PCI. So we do these checks for
U.S. Social Security Numbers too in an effort to prevent or lessen the
chance of ID theft. Unfortunately, there is no luhn check for SSNs. We
follow the Social Security Administration verification guideline
religiously... here's an web front-end to my logic:

http://black.cirt.vt.edu/public/valid_ssn/index.html

but still have many false positives on SSNs, so being able to id *names
and numbers* in files would still be a be benefit to us.

Brad