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  • walterbyrd
    #1

    Python v PHP for web, and restarting Apache?

    I think I have read somewhere that using Python to develop
    web-applications requires some restarting of the Apache server, whereas
    PHP does not.

    Also, I seem to remember reading something about PHP being able to
    recover from Apache restarting more easily than Python.

    I am not trying to suggest anything here. I'm just asking.

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    • Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch
      #2
      Re: Python v PHP for web, and restarting Apache?

      In <1163783247.077 263.8590@j44g20 00cwa.googlegro ups.com>, walterbyrd
      wrote:
      I am not trying to suggest anything here. I'm just asking.
      Asking what? Asking something usually involves a question. ;-)

      Ciao,
      Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch

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        • gabor
          #3
          Re: Python v PHP for web, and restarting Apache?

          walterbyrd wrote:
          I think I have read somewhere that using Python to develop
          web-applications requires some restarting of the Apache server, whereas
          PHP does not.
          >
          first thing... there are many many ways how to run a python-apache web
          application..

          - mod_python
          - cgi
          - fastcgi
          - sci
          - proxy

          also the same way, for php:
          - mod_php
          - fastcgi
          - cgi
          - (maybe something more, i'm not much experienced with php)

          so first you should tell us which python-solution would you like to
          compare to which php-solution..


          gabor

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            • Michael Ströder
              #4
              Re: Python v PHP for web, and restarting Apache?

              walterbyrd wrote:
              I think I have read somewhere that using Python to develop
              web-applications requires some restarting of the Apache server, whereas
              PHP does not.
              Using Python to develop web-applications is a very broad topic.

              E.g. you don't have to restart Apache if you develop simple
              short-running CGI-BIN programs. With a long-running web app (e.g. with
              FastCGI) you might only kill the web app's process etc. Or you implement
              a graceful restart in your web app or...
              Also, I seem to remember reading something about PHP being able to
              recover from Apache restarting more easily than Python.
              As usual it depends.

              Ciao, Michael.

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                • sandra.eloff@gmail.com
                  #5
                  Re: Python v PHP for web, and restarting Apache?

                  On Nov 17, 12:07 pm, "walterbyrd " <walterb...@ina me.comwrote:
                  I think I have read somewhere that using Python to develop
                  web-applications requires some restarting of the Apache server, whereas
                  PHP does not.
                  It depends what you do. CGI's operate much like PHP. mod_python has
                  auto-reloading (and by implication most frameworks that build on it.) A
                  poorly designed web application may require a restart. (Some people
                  also disable auto-reload for production servers for performance
                  advantages.)
                  Also, I seem to remember reading something about PHP being able to
                  recover from Apache restarting more easily than Python.
                  I can think of no reason why that would be true. Perhaps these are
                  poorly designed python applications?
                  I am not trying to suggest anything here. I'm just asking.
                  Ask away. The only bad question is an unasked question. Most of us can
                  act like adults here (although we all forget that from time to time.)

                  Python is much better suited to writing and mainting large web
                  applications though. Being both an experienced php and python
                  programmer, I can tell you I don't use php any more unless I have no
                  other choice.

                  -Sandra

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                    • gavino
                      #6
                      Re: Python v PHP for web, and restarting Apache?



                      On Nov 17, 4:46 pm, sandra.el...@gm ail.com wrote:
                      On Nov 17, 12:07 pm, "walterbyrd " <walterb...@ina me.comwrote:
                      >
                      I think I have read somewhere that using Python to develop
                      web-applications requires some restarting of the Apache server, whereas
                      PHP does not.It depends what you do. CGI's operate much like PHP. mod_python has
                      auto-reloading (and by implication most frameworks that build on it.) A
                      poorly designed web application may require a restart. (Some people
                      also disable auto-reload for production servers for performance
                      advantages.)
                      >
                      Also, I seem to remember reading something about PHP being able to
                      recover from Apache restarting more easily than Python.I can think of no reason why that would be true. Perhaps these are
                      poorly designed python applications?
                      >
                      I am not trying to suggest anything here. I'm just asking.Ask away. The only bad question is an unasked question. Most of us can
                      act like adults here (although we all forget that from time to time.)
                      >
                      Python is much better suited to writing and mainting large web
                      applications though. Being both an experienced php and python
                      programmer, I can tell you I don't use php any more unless I have no
                      other choice.
                      >
                      -Sandra
                      Sandra do you us ethe msot up to date php and python?
                      how fast is fastcgi v mod_python?
                      Have you ever used medusa? or some other python server directly?

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                        • walterbyrd
                          #7
                          Re: Python v PHP for web, and restarting Apache?


                          sandra.eloff@gm ail.com wrote:
                          >
                          Python is much better suited to writing and mainting large web
                          applications though.
                          >
                          I have to ask: why is that? Because Python is more readable? Because
                          Python runs faster? Is Python more stable for large scale applications?
                          Does this apply when using Python with CGI, FastCGI, mod_python, or
                          what?

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                            • Fredrik Lundh
                              #8
                              Re: Python v PHP for web, and restarting Apache?

                              walterbyrd wrote:
                              >Python is much better suited to writing and mainting large web
                              >applications though.
                              >
                              I have to ask: why is that?
                              modularity, modularity, and modularity.

                              </F>

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                                • walterbyrd
                                  #9
                                  Re: Python v PHP for web, and restarting Apache?


                                  Fredrik Lundh wrote:
                                  >
                                  modularity, modularity, and modularity.
                                  >
                                  Can't PHP be made to be just as modular?

                                  As a matter of popular practise, I suppose that is not done. I would
                                  think that it could be.

                                  My big problem with PHP is the lack of backward compatibility. My big
                                  problem with Python is that popular frameworks like django and
                                  turbogears have sky-high system requirements. Few web-hosters have
                                  Apache 2.X, mod_python 3.x, FastCGI, or Python 2.4.

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                                    • Bruno Desthuilliers
                                      #10
                                      Re: Python v PHP for web, and restarting Apache?

                                      walterbyrd a écrit :
                                      Fredrik Lundh wrote:
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >>modularity, modularity, and modularity.
                                      >>
                                      >
                                      >
                                      Can't PHP be made to be just as modular?
                                      PHP has no notion of modules.
                                      As a matter of popular practise, I suppose that is not done. I would
                                      think that it could be.
                                      Certainly not the way Python is modular...

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