Pyro stability

[skip@pobox.com]

Re: profanity on comp.lang.pytho n (was Re: Pyro stability)


olsongtDoes using foobar in examples count as profanity?

olsongthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foobar

Only if you spell it FUBAR, and even then it's a euphemism, so I think
you're safe. ;-)

Skip

[skip@pobox.com]

Re: profanity on comp.lang.pytho n (was Re: Pyro stability)


CarlYou are comparing interviews to usenet. I somehow see a
Carldisconnect. I don't think many people are going to go to a
Carlpotential employer and say "hey fuck face, how the fuck are ya?"
...
CarlAlthough you mentioned impressing people etc, is it really
Carlimportant to impress people here by watching your P's and Q's?
CarlWhat impresses me here is someone's command of the language, I
Carlcould really give a rats ass how they choose to disseminate their
Carlexpertise.

If recent news reports are to be believed (*) it would appear that companies
are starting to check out prospective employees online. Granted, most of
the stuff I've seen or heard relates to use of social networking sites like
Facebook and MySpace, but I'm sure savvy employers looking for programming
expertise would know to check out Usenet newsgroups and/or relevant mailing
lists. Anything you post is fair game though. Also, "command of the
language" can extend to the spoken/written word.

Skip

(*) http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/11/us...&ex=1307678400

[Carl J. Van Arsdall]

Re: profanity on comp.lang.pytho n (was Re: Pyro stability)

skip@pobox.com wrote:

CarlYou are comparing interviews to usenet. I somehow see a
Carldisconnect. I don't think many people are going to go to a
Carlpotential employer and say "hey fuck face, how the fuck are ya?"
...
CarlAlthough you mentioned impressing people etc, is it really
Carlimportant to impress people here by watching your P's and Q's?
CarlWhat impresses me here is someone's command of the language, I
Carlcould really give a rats ass how they choose to disseminate their
Carlexpertise.
>
If recent news reports are to be believed (*) it would appear that companies
are starting to check out prospective employees online. Granted, most of
the stuff I've seen or heard relates to use of social networking sites like
Facebook and MySpace, but I'm sure savvy employers looking for programming
expertise would know to check out Usenet newsgroups and/or relevant mailing
lists. Anything you post is fair game though. Also, "command of the
language" can extend to the spoken/written word.
>
Skip
>
(*) http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/11/us...&ex=1307678400
>

Whereas you are right about employers looking online (its happened to me
too), that should remain the issue of the poster of those horrible
things. It shouldn't be the issue of "offended code monkey #12".

As for your statement about how "command of the language" (in reference
to python) extends to written/spoken word, I don't quite understand what
you are saying. Yes, there are skills in being able to explain code or
concepts to someone, but adjective choice (at least in the way I had
used it) hardly hinders one's ability to communicate python ideas and
code. Can you explain how the use of profanity affects one's ability to
code in python or explain their code? The only thing I really can think
of is that someone gets over sensitive and starts complaining instead of
taking in the deeper meaning of the "enhanced" statement.

-c

--

Carl J. Van Arsdall
cvanarsdall@mvi sta.com
Build and Release
MontaVista Software

[Jorge Godoy]

Re: profanity on comp.lang.pytho n (was Re: Pyro stability)

Cliff Wells <cliff@develix. comwrites:

I think this sums up my point of view as well (although I would have
used around 3215 more words to say it).

Hmmmm... Putting this on the discussion of the week: you'd have used
range(3215) or xrange(3215) more words? ;-)

--
Jorge Godoy <jgodoy@gmail.c om>

[skip@pobox.com]

Re: profanity on comp.lang.pytho n (was Re: Pyro stability)


CarlAs for your statement about how "command of the language" (in
Carlreference to python) extends to written/spoken word, I don't quite
Carlunderstand what you are saying.

Just that posts to newsgroups like c.l.py are examples of your written
prose, profane or not.

CarlCan you explain how the use of profanity affects one's ability to
Carlcode in python or explain their code?

I've been programming for 20 some-odd years. I've found that spoken and
written communication skills have always been as important to success as
pure programming skills.

Skip

[Irmen de Jong]

Re: profanity on comp.lang.pytho n (was Re: Pyro stability)

Jorge Godoy wrote:

Cliff Wells <cliff@develix. comwrites:
>

>I think this sums up my point of view as well (although I would have
>used around 3215 more words to say it).

>
Hmmmm... Putting this on the discussion of the week: you'd have used
range(3215) or xrange(3215) more words? ;-)
>

Actually I've just replaced a loop in Pyro from using range to using
xrange because of memory issue when you wanted to run it nearly
indefinitely.

So there. Finally back on the original subject ;-)


Thanks for the praise about Pyro but yeah, I would have been
equally happy if it was put without using the f word :)

Cheers

--Irmen.

[skip@pobox.com]

Re: profanity on comp.lang.pytho n (was Re: Pyro stability)


IrmenSo there. Finally back on the original subject ;-)

And without satisfying Godwin's Law. Pretty good.

Skip

[Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch]

Re: profanity on comp.lang.pytho n (was Re: Pyro stability)

In <mailman.1951.1 163037537.11739 .python-list@python.org >, skip wrote:

>
IrmenSo there. Finally back on the original subject ;-)
>
And without satisfying Godwin's Law. Pretty good.

Which was very hard with all those language nazis out there. Ooops…

SCNR,
Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch

[Paul Boddie]

Re: profanity on comp.lang.pytho n (was Re: Pyro stability)

Cliff Wells wrote:

>
But of course "not everyone" is a double-edged sword that can just as
easily be turned against either party. If we limit ourselves to saying
what is going to be the most palatable for the widest audience we will
most likely find ourselves confined to discussing the weather.

I recall at this point the advice once given to writers submitting
articles to Linux Journal:

"Be careful with humor. Sarcasm and irony are misread easily and can be
offensive. Many readers have English as a second language and may not
be familiar with your culture's running jokes and topical matters."

http://www.linuxjournal.com/xstatic/author/authguide

And of course, people who worry too much about impressing others rarely
do. Just ask DHH of Ruby on Rails fame:
>
http://static.flickr.com/47/127984254_ddd4363d6a_m.jpg

Yes, but not everyone is happy about that:

"DHH has just got to stop saying [word elided] at conferences."

https://www.lostlake.org/blog/index.php?/archives/11-The-Impending-Ruby-Fracture.html#c36

There's a clear difference between using profanity for dramatic effect
(acceptable in various contexts) and going round like a twelve year
old, mouthing off in an attempt to impress or shock people.

[...]

I'll apply an old software maxim (from sendmail?) to the topic of public
interaction: "Be liberal in what you accept, conservative in what you
send." Applying this would suggest that both parties were equally at
fault in this situation, so perhaps we can just leave it at that.

I think this is reasonable advice.

Paul