Extended slices and indices

[GavinCrooks@gmail.com]

The indices method of slice doesn't seem to work quite how I would
expect when reversing a sequence.

For example :

>>s = '01234'
>>s[::-1]

'43210'

>>s[slice(None,None ,-1) ]

'43210'

So a slice with a negative step (and nothing else) reverses the
sequence. But what are the
corresponding indices?

>>slice(None,No ne,-1).indices(len( s))

(4, -1, -1)

That looks O.K. The start is the last item in the sequence, and the
stop is one before the beginning of the sequence. But these indices
don't reverse the string:

>>s[4:-1:-1]

''

Although they give the correct range:

>>range( 4, -1,-1)

[4, 3, 2, 1, 0]

It would appear that there is no set of indices that will both reverse
the string and produce the correct range!

Is this a bug or a feature?

GEC

See also: http://www.python.org/doc/2.3.5/what...on-slices.html

[Robert Kern]

Re: Extended slices and indices

GavinCrooks@gma il.com wrote:

The indices method of slice doesn't seem to work quite how I would
expect when reversing a sequence.
>
For example :

>>>s = '01234'
>>>s[::-1]

'43210'

>>>s[slice(None,None ,-1) ]

'43210'
>
So a slice with a negative step (and nothing else) reverses the
sequence. But what are the
corresponding indices?

>>>slice(None,N one,-1).indices(len( s))

(4, -1, -1)
>
That looks O.K. The start is the last item in the sequence, and the
stop is one before the beginning of the sequence. But these indices
don't reverse the string:

>>>s[4:-1:-1]

''
>
Although they give the correct range:

>>>range( 4, -1,-1)

[4, 3, 2, 1, 0]
>
It would appear that there is no set of indices that will both reverse
the string and produce the correct range!
>
Is this a bug or a feature?

I'd say bug in the .indices() method. The meaning of [4:-1:-1] is unavoidable
different than [::-1] since the index -1 points to the last element, not the
imaginary element before the first element. Unfortunately, there *is* no
concrete (start, stop, step) tuple that will emulate [::-1].

--
Robert Kern

"I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma
that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had
an underlying truth."
-- Umberto Eco

[GavinCrooks@gmail.com]

Re: Extended slices and indices


Robert Kern wrote:

I'd say bug in the .indices() method. The meaning of [4:-1:-1] is unavoidable
different than [::-1] since the index -1 points to the last element, not the
imaginary element before the first element. Unfortunately, there *is* no
concrete (start, stop, step) tuple that will emulate [::-1].

After some more experimenting, it seems that [L-1:-L-1:-1] will reverse
a sequence of length L. But slice(L-1,-L-1,-1).indices(L) gives (L-1,
-1,-1) which will not reverse the sequence. And range(L-1, -L-1, -1) is
totally off, but range(L-1,-1,-1) is correct.

Seems like a bug (or an odd feature) of extended slicing of strings and
other built in sequences.

GEC

[Robert Kern]

Re: Extended slices and indices

GavinCrooks@gma il.com wrote:

Robert Kern wrote:

>I'd say bug in the .indices() method. The meaning of [4:-1:-1] is unavoidable
>different than [::-1] since the index -1 points to the last element, not the
>imaginary element before the first element. Unfortunately, there *is* no
>concrete (start, stop, step) tuple that will emulate [::-1].

>
After some more experimenting, it seems that [L-1:-L-1:-1] will reverse
a sequence of length L.

Ah, yes. Good point.

But slice(L-1,-L-1,-1).indices(L) gives (L-1,
-1,-1) which will not reverse the sequence. And range(L-1, -L-1, -1) is
totally off, but range(L-1,-1,-1) is correct.
>
Seems like a bug (or an odd feature) of extended slicing of strings and
other built in sequences.

It's not a bug with extended slicing. -1 has a very definite meaning when used
as an index. The result of applying [4:-1:-1] is completely consistent with that
meaning. The problem is with .indices() for giving you something that is
inconsistent with that meaning. range() is neither here nor there; it's
semantics are simply different.

--
Robert Kern

"I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma
that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had
an underlying truth."
-- Umberto Eco