Proposal: [... for ... while cond(x)]

[Eighty]

I suggest a new extension of the list comprehension syntax:

[x for x in xs while cond(x)]

which would be equivalent to

list(itertools. takewhile(cond, xs))

+ Since Python favors list comprehensions over map, filter, and reduce,
this would be the preferred way to do this
+ "Takewhile operations" occur often, at least for me
+ I don't think it would break any existing syntax

An analogous syntax for dropwhile would be nice, but I can't think of
one.

This is not a PEP because it's a very simple idea and probably not just
anyone (read: me) can write and submit one. If there has been a PEP for
this, I've missed it; if not, it would be nice if someone wrote one.

Discuss.

[Duncan Booth]

Re: Proposal: [... for ... while cond(x)]

Eighty wrote:

I suggest a new extension of the list comprehension syntax:
>
[x for x in xs while cond(x)]
>
which would be equivalent to
>
list(itertools. takewhile(cond, xs))
>

What would this syntax offer that:

[x for x in takewhile(cond, xs)]

doesn't currently offer? (Apart, that is, from saving you 3 characters of
typing)

[Eighty]

Re: Proposal: [... for ... while cond(x)]


Duncan Booth wrote:

Eighty wrote:
>

I suggest a new extension of the list comprehension syntax:

[x for x in xs while cond(x)]

which would be equivalent to

list(itertools. takewhile(cond, xs))

>
What would this syntax offer that:
>
[x for x in takewhile(cond, xs)]
>
doesn't currently offer? (Apart, that is, from saving you 3 characters of
typing)

The same thing that [f(x) for x in xs] offers that map(f, xs) doesn't,
and the same thing that [x for x in xs if f(x)] offers that filter(f,
xs) doesn't. It's more "pythonic". You can use an expression for cond
instead of a lambda.

[Duncan Booth]

Re: Proposal: [... for ... while cond(x)]

Eighty wrote:

>
Duncan Booth wrote:

>Eighty wrote:
>>

I suggest a new extension of the list comprehension syntax:
>
[x for x in xs while cond(x)]
>
which would be equivalent to
>
list(itertools. takewhile(cond, xs))
>

>>
>What would this syntax offer that:
>>
> [x for x in takewhile(cond, xs)]
>>
>doesn't currently offer? (Apart, that is, from saving you 3
>characters of typing)

>
The same thing that [f(x) for x in xs] offers that map(f, xs) doesn't,
and the same thing that [x for x in xs if f(x)] offers that filter(f,
xs) doesn't. It's more "pythonic". You can use an expression for cond
instead of a lambda.
>
>

No, the list comprehension lets you write an expression directly avoiding a
function call, and it also allows you to add in a condition which can be
used to filer the sequence. Your proposal adds nothing.

[Slawomir Nowaczyk]

Re: Proposal: [... for ... while cond(x)]

On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 18:59:39 +0000 (GMT)
Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@i nvalid.invalidw rote:

# I suggest a new extension of the list comprehension syntax:
#
# [x for x in xs while cond(x)]
#
# which would be equivalent to
#
# list(itertools. takewhile(cond, xs))
#>
#What would this syntax offer that:
#>
# [x for x in takewhile(cond, xs)]
#>
#doesn't currently offer?
#
# The same thing that [f(x) for x in xs] offers that map(f, xs) doesn't,
# and the same thing that [x for x in xs if f(x)] offers that filter(f,
# xs) doesn't. It's more "pythonic". You can use an expression for cond
# instead of a lambda.
#
#No, the list comprehension lets you write an expression directly
#avoiding a function call, and it also allows you to add in a
#condition which can be used to filer the sequence.

I am not sure if I understand you correctly, but... Does it?

>>a = [0,1,2,3,7,8,9]
>>[x for x in takewhile(lambd a x: x in a, range(10))]

[0, 1, 2, 3]

>>[x for x in takewhile(x in a, range(10))]

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
TypeError: 'bool' object is not callable

Did I miss something? Notice that using "if" gives different result:

>>[x for x in range(10) if x in a]

[0, 1, 2, 3, 7, 8, 9]

#Your proposal adds nothing.

Well, I am not sure how useful the proposal really is, but it seems to
add *something* if it would allow for things like:
[x for x in range(10) while x in a]

--
Best wishes,
Slawomir Nowaczyk
( Slawomir.Nowacz yk@cs.lth.se )

Women who seek to be equal to men lack ambition.

[Diez B. Roggisch]

Re: Proposal: [... for ... while cond(x)]

No, the list comprehension lets you write an expression directly avoiding a

function call, and it also allows you to add in a condition which can be
used to filer the sequence. Your proposal adds nothing.

It does. Consider this:

whatever = [x for x in xrange(10000000 00) while x < 10]


That would run only in a splitsecond of what the whole listcomp would.


Yet I still fail to see that this is a really useful use-case. takewhile
is easily abstracted away as map and reduce and filter are using lambda
- which I'm a modest supporter of.

But functions that are monotonic such that the takewhile really offers a
advantage over the much more general listcomp + if are IMHO way to
seldom to justify a new syntax.

The overall complexity is still O(n).

Regards,

Diez

[Duncan Booth]

Re: Proposal: [... for ... while cond(x)]

Diez B. Roggisch wrote:

>No, the list comprehension lets you write an expression directly
>avoiding a function call, and it also allows you to add in a
>condition which can be used to filer the sequence. Your proposal adds
>nothing.

>
It does. Consider this:
>
whatever = [x for x in xrange(10000000 00) while x < 10]
>
>
That would run only in a splitsecond of what the whole listcomp would.

Except that the comparable listcomp today is:

whatever = [x for x in takewhile(lambd a x: x < 10, xrange(10000000 00))]

which also runs in a split second.

Actually, the OP was correct, it does add something: it removes the need
for a function or lambda in the takewhile just as the original listcomp
removes a function or lambda compared with the map version.

[Duncan Booth]

Re: Proposal: [... for ... while cond(x)]

Slawomir Nowaczyk wrote:

#No, the list comprehension lets you write an expression directly
#avoiding a function call, and it also allows you to add in a
#condition which can be used to filer the sequence.
>
I am not sure if I understand you correctly, but... Does it?
>

>>>a = [0,1,2,3,7,8,9]
>>>[x for x in takewhile(lambd a x: x in a, range(10))]

[0, 1, 2, 3]

>>>[x for x in takewhile(x in a, range(10))]

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
TypeError: 'bool' object is not callable
>
Did I miss something?

Yes, you missed out a lambda (so I was wrong, your suggestion would
actually gain you more than 3 characters of typing)

Try:

>>a = [0,1,2,3,7,8,9]
>>[x for x in takewhile(lambd a x:x in a, range(10))]

[0, 1, 2, 3]

For this particular expression you could also write:

>>[x for x in takewhile(a.__c ontains__, range(10))]

[0, 1, 2, 3]

or with Python 2.5 we can avoid referencing __contains__ with the following
variant:

>>from itertools import takewhile
>>from functools import partial
>>from operator import contains
>>a = [0,1,2,3,7,8,9]
>>[x for x in takewhile(parti al(contains,a), range(10))]

[0, 1, 2, 3]

>>>

[Rick Zantow]

Re: Proposal: [... for ... while cond(x)]

Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@i nvalid.invalidw rote in
news:Xns981854A 828521duncanboo th@127.0.0.1:

Diez B. Roggisch wrote:
>

>>No, the list comprehension lets you write an expression directly
>>avoiding a function call, and it also allows you to add in a
>>condition which can be used to filer the sequence. Your proposal

adds

>>nothing.

>>
>It does. Consider this:
>>
>whatever = [x for x in xrange(10000000 00) while x < 10]
>>
>>
>That would run only in a splitsecond of what the whole listcomp

would.

>
Except that the comparable listcomp today is:
>
whatever = [x for x in takewhile(lambd a x: x < 10, xrange

(1000000000))]

>
which also runs in a split second.
>
Actually, the OP was correct, it does add something: it removes the

need

for a function or lambda in the takewhile just as the original

listcomp

removes a function or lambda compared with the map version.
>

Consider how it would be if the situation were reversed, and
whatever = [x for x in xrange(10000000 00) while x < 10] was the
convention today. What advantage would there be to replacing it with
whatever = [x for x in takewhile(lambd a x: x < 10, xrange(10000000 00))]?

As a newcomer to Python, I'd find the first syntax far more readily
graspable, and I'd have to wonder why I'd ever need takewhile and lambda
just to do what appears to be straightforward conditioning of a loop.

I'm not a newcomer to Python, and I wonder about that anyway.

I also note this, using Python 2.4.2 on win32:

>>whatever = [x for x in takewhile(lambd a x: x < 10, xrange

(1000000000))]
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
NameError: name 'takewhile' is not defined

So in addition to the two functions, I need an import statement. It
looks like the argument can certainly be made that simplifying the
syntax and lightening the call load bring some advantage to the table.
There are other arguments to be made against the proposed syntax, I'm
sure.

--
rzed

[Eighty]

Re: Proposal: [... for ... while cond(x)]


Eighty wrote:

I suggest a new extension of the list comprehension syntax:
>
[x for x in xs while cond(x)]
>
which would be equivalent to
>
list(itertools. takewhile(cond, xs))
>
+ Since Python favors list comprehensions over map, filter, and reduce,
this would be the preferred way to do this
+ "Takewhile operations" occur often, at least for me
+ I don't think it would break any existing syntax
>
An analogous syntax for dropwhile would be nice, but I can't think of
one.
>
This is not a PEP because it's a very simple idea and probably not just
anyone (read: me) can write and submit one. If there has been a PEP for
this, I've missed it; if not, it would be nice if someone wrote one.
>
Discuss.

So does no one have a comment on this? The one objection I can come up
with is that this would change the set builder notation semantics too
much, but since the iteration order in a list comprehension is already
well defined, I don't think that would be the case. However, for this
reason, it wouldn't fit in a dict comprehension, if that would ever be
made, perhaps making the syntax inconsistent?

[Terry Reedy]

Re: Proposal: [... for ... while cond(x)]


"Eighty" <eightyx@gmail. comwrote in message
news:1155064682 .499991.246170@ h48g2000cwc.goo glegroups.com.. .

>
Eighty wrote:

>I suggest a new extension of the list comprehension syntax:
>>
>[x for x in xs while cond(x)]

This does not work.

e(x) for x in xs if cond(x)

is an abbreviation of

for x in xs:
if cond(x)
yield e(x)

and similarly with more for and if clauses,
whereas the analogous expansion of your proposal

for x in xs:
while cond(x):
yield e(x)

is an infinite loop and not at all what you mean.

>which would be equivalent to
>>
>list(itertools .takewhile(cond , xs))

And what would

x for x in xs while cond(x) if blah(x)
x for x in xs if blah(x) while cond(x)
x*y for x in xs while cond(x) for y in ys

mean? The ability to mix and match clauses after the first for clause is
an important part of comprehension syntax.

>+ "Takewhile operations" occur often, at least for me

So keep using the function provided. I am pretty sure takewhile is rare
for most other people.

So does no one have a comment on this?

Ain't gonna happen.

The one objection I can come up with
is that this would change the set builder notation semantics too much

Yes, to the point where you are hijacking the syntax, for no useful gain,
more than extending it ;-).

Terry Jan Reedy

[Eighty]

Re: Proposal: [... for ... while cond(x)]


Terry Reedy wrote:

whereas the analogous expansion of your proposal
>
for x in xs:
while cond(x):
yield e(x)
>
is an infinite loop and not at all what you mean.

You're right. The syntax is ambiguous. I agree it's not a good idea,
now. :)

x for x in xs while cond(x) if blah(x)
x for x in xs if blah(x) while cond(x)
x*y for x in xs while cond(x) for y in ys

These wouldn't be a problem.
"... for x in xs while cond(x) ..." would be transformed into "... for
x in takewhile(cond, xs) ..."
which could be applied to an if thingy if you first transform
"... for x in xs if cond(x) ..." into "... for x in filter(cond, xs)
....".

[Neil Hodgson]

Re: Proposal: [... for ... while cond(x)]

Eighty:

So does no one have a comment on this?

Similar proposals have appeared before (such as on python-dev about
a year ago) and haven't attracted much positive comment. The benefits
appear to be small compared to the cost of making the language larger.
You could try the formal route of writing a PEP so that a detailed
proposal and its reasons for (probable) rejection would be available for
others.

Neil