data entry tool

**Diez B. Roggisch** · May 8 '06, 09:35 AM

Re: data entry tool

Peter wrote:
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>
> This post seeks advice on whether python would be appropriate for a task,
> or whether you can suggest another approach.
>
> The project is to transcribe historical records such as schools
> admissions, ship passenger lists, birth/death/marriages, etc for genealogy
> studies. What we need is a simple software tool that will give the user a
> form set out like the page being transcribed, do some simple validation
> and put the
> data in a file (can be fixed field length plain text). Data files from
> volunteers will be compiled into a master database.
>
> This software tool needs to work on a variety of different computers;
> Win95, Win98, WinXP, Mac, Linux.
>
> So, would python be a good choice for this, and how should I go about it?
> I'm not a programmer and have only done a few little python scripts that
> run from the command line.[/color]

Make it a webapp. That will guarantee to make it runnable on the list of
OSses you gave. Use Django/TurboGears/ZOPE for the application itself-
whichever suits you best.

Diez

**Tim Williams** · May 8 '06, 09:55 AM

Re: data entry tool

On 08/05/06, Diez B. Roggisch <deets@nospam.w eb.de> wrote:[color=blue]
>
> Make it a webapp. That will guarantee to make it runnable on the list of
> OSses you gave. Use Django/TurboGears/ZOPE for the application itself-
> whichever suits you best.[/color]

based on the comment:
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> I'm not a programmer and have only done a few little python
> scripts that run from the command line.[/color]

Using Karrigell as the webserver / framework may be preferrable. Its
much simpler to learn and use, and as long as there aren't a *huge*
number of users it will be up to the task.

HTH :)

**Peter** · May 10 '06, 08:35 AM

Re: data entry tool

Diez B. Roggisch wrote:[color=blue]
> Make it a webapp. That will guarantee to make it runnable on the list of
> OSses you gave. Use Django/TurboGears/ZOPE for the application itself-
> whichever suits you best.[/color]

A webapp isn't feasible as most of the users are on dial up (this is in New
Zealand and broadband isn't available for lots of people).

I was hoping for a simple tool. Even if it only worked on Windows, it would
be a start. It just needs to present a form of text entry fields to the
user, and place the data in a plain text file.

If python can't do this, can anyone suggest another language or approach?

TIA

Peter

**Serge Orlov** · May 10 '06, 01:35 PM

Re: data entry tool

Peter wrote:[color=blue]
> Diez B. Roggisch wrote:[color=green]
> > Make it a webapp. That will guarantee to make it runnable on the list of
> > OSses you gave. Use Django/TurboGears/ZOPE for the application itself-
> > whichever suits you best.[/color]
>
> A webapp isn't feasible as most of the users are on dial up (this is in New
> Zealand and broadband isn't available for lots of people).[/color]

I don't see connection here, why it's not feasible?
[color=blue]
> I was hoping for a simple tool. Even if it only worked on Windows, it would
> be a start. It just needs to present a form of text entry fields to the
> user, and place the data in a plain text file.[/color]

You can do it using for example Tkinter
<http://wiki.python.org/moin/TkInter> that comes with python
distribution for windows.
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>
> If python can't do this, can anyone suggest another language or approach?[/color]

Sure you can code that application in Python, the problem is
distribution and support of application running on multiple platforms.
That's what webapp will help you to avoid. Keep in mind that standalone
application for windows will be about 2Mb. Keep also in mind linux is
not a platform, it is hmm, how to say it? a snapshot of random programs
found on internet, so it's very hard to distribute and support programs
for it.

**Kent Johnson** · May 10 '06, 03:25 PM

Re: data entry tool

Peter wrote:[color=blue]
> This post seeks advice on whether python would be appropriate for a task, or
> whether you can suggest another approach.
>
> The project is to transcribe historical records such as schools admissions,
> ship passenger lists, birth/death/marriages, etc for genealogy studies.
> What we need is a simple software tool that will give the user a form set
> out like the page being transcribed, do some simple validation and put the
> data in a file (can be fixed field length plain text). Data files from
> volunteers will be compiled into a master database.
>
> This software tool needs to work on a variety of different computers; Win95,
> Win98, WinXP, Mac, Linux.[/color]

Take a look at Tkinter, it is pretty easy to get started with and good
for making simple GUIs. Look at the csv module for writing the data to
files.

Kent

**Peter** · May 10 '06, 06:55 PM

Re: data entry tool

Serge Orlov wrote:[color=blue]
> Peter wrote:[color=green]
>> A webapp isn't feasible as most of the users are on dial up (this is in
>> New Zealand and broadband isn't available for lots of people).[/color]
>
> I don't see connection here, why it's not feasible?[/color]

Our volunteers won't sit on their dial up connection for hours at a time.
Many dial up plans charge an hourly rate after the first so many hours per
month, plus it means you can't use your phone line to receive or make phone
calls.
[color=blue]
> You can do it using for example Tkinter
> <http://wiki.python.org/moin/TkInter> that comes with python
> distribution for windows.[/color]

thanks - I'll take a look.
[color=blue]
> Keep in mind that standalone application for windows will be about 2Mb.[/color]

Wow - why so big for such a simple tool?
2MB sounds like a LOT of coding.

Peter

**Dan Sommers** · May 10 '06, 08:05 PM

Re: data entry tool

On Thu, 11 May 2006 06:54:14 +1200,
Peter <nospamjynyl@ya hoo.co.nz> wrote:
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> Serge Orlov wrote:[/color]

[ ... ]
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>> Keep in mind that standalone application for windows will be about
>> 2Mb.[/color][/color]
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> Wow - why so big for such a simple tool?
> 2MB sounds like a LOT of coding.[/color]

Actually, just the opposite: that's 2MB of things someone else wrote in
order that your application code remain small.

Regards,
Dan

--
Dan Sommers
<http://www.tombstoneze ro.net/dan/>
"I wish people would die in alphabetical order." -- My wife, the genealogist

**bearophileHUGS@lycos.com** · May 10 '06, 08:15 PM

Re: data entry tool

Peter wrote>Wow - why so big for such a simple tool? 2MB sounds like a
LOT of coding.<

Yes, it's a lot of code, but it's code written by other people (Python,
Tkinter). Using Tkinter your program will probably be quite short, even
if you use some dbase.
If the data to be entered is simple and textual you can even think
about using a text only interface. The resulting program will be really
simple, and probably good enough.
2+ MB is the size of the executable package you need to give people to
install Python + some libs + your program.

Bye,
bearophile

**Cameron Laird** · May 11 '06, 03:15 AM

Re: data entry tool

In article <1147291993.831 470.156300@y43g 2000cwc.googleg roups.com>,
<bearophileHUGS @lycos.com> wrote:[color=blue]
>Peter wrote>Wow - why so big for such a simple tool? 2MB sounds like a
>LOT of coding.<
>
>Yes, it's a lot of code, but it's code written by other people (Python,
>Tkinter). Using Tkinter your program will probably be quite short, even
>if you use some dbase.
>If the data to be entered is simple and textual you can even think
>about using a text only interface. The resulting program will be really
>simple, and probably good enough.
>2+ MB is the size of the executable package you need to give people to
>install Python + some libs + your program.[/color]

**Serge Orlov** · May 11 '06, 05:05 AM

Re: data entry tool

bearophileHUGS@ lycos.com wrote:[color=blue]
> If the data to be entered is simple and textual you can even think
> about using a text only interface. The resulting program will be really
> simple, and probably good enough.[/color]

FWIW here is size of "Hello, world!" program distribution using
different interfaces:

text console: 1.2Mb
web.py w/o ssl: 1.5Mb
tkinter: 2.1Mb
wxpython: 3.0Mb

Getting more slim distributions requires some manual work

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