Self-modifying Code

[qwweeeit@yahoo.it]

Hi all,

when I was young I programmed in an interpreted language that allowed
to modify itself.
Also Python can (writing and running a module, in-line):

fNew =open("newModul e.py",'w')
lNew=['print 123\n','print 454\n','print 789\n']
fNew.writelines (lNew)
fNew.close()
from newModule import *

Running this small example it correctly displays:
123
456
789

Did you know? Certainly someone has already discovered and applied
that, because the applications are several (think only to the
possibility of reducing code length by eliminating the coding of false
alternatives, or the possibility to convert a list of instructions
taken somewhere in a running code...)

Bye.

[Dennis Benzinger]

Re: Self-modifying Code

qwweeeit@yahoo. it schrieb:[color=blue]
> [...]
> Also Python can (writing and running a module, in-line):
>
> fNew =open("newModul e.py",'w')
> lNew=['print 123\n','print 454\n','print 789\n']
> fNew.writelines (lNew)
> fNew.close()
> from newModule import *
> [...][/color]

You don't even need a file for this.
Try: exec("print 123; print 456; print 789")

Bye,
Dennis

[Peter Hansen]

Re: Self-modifying Code

qwweeeit@yahoo. it wrote:
[regarding "self-modifying code"][color=blue]
> fNew =open("newModul e.py",'w')
> lNew=['print 123\n','print 454\n','print 789\n']
> fNew.writelines (lNew)
> fNew.close()
> from newModule import *[/color]

This isn't really self-modifying code (unless you are talking about this
being a small part of a much larger application which is where the
import actually occurs), but in any event neither is it the simplest way
to do what you are trying to do using Python. The absolute simplest,
which is largely equivalent to what you've done here, is simply "exec
'print 123\nprint 456\nprint 789'". A close relative is the method
provided by the execfile() standard function (avoiding the import).
[color=blue]
> Did you know? Certainly someone has already discovered and applied
> that, because the applications are several (think only to the
> possibility of reducing code length by eliminating the coding of false
> alternatives, or the possibility to convert a list of instructions
> taken somewhere in a running code...)[/color]

Those same applications are better served, generally, by doing things
like parameterizing function definitions on-the-fly, or by dynamically
binding new methods into objects or classes. There are many recipes in
the CookBook or the list archives showing how to do all these sorts of
things.

I'm afraid the technique you show above, while intriguing to a newcomer
to Python, has a limited number of use cases, though if one needs to
modify or generate some small part of a program for later use (requiring
the basic persistence that your technique has), it is definitely a
viable technique.

-Peter

[Do Re Mi chel La Si Do]

Re: Self-modifying Code

Hi, you, also !

A view, with a little difference :


def titi(par):
if par>222:
return par*2
else:
return par*10

print titi(123)
print titi(1234)

#now, change the function, "on instant"
txt="""def titi(par):
if par>222:
return str(par)*2
else:
return str(par)*5
"""
exec(txt,global s(),globals())

print titi(123)
print titi(1234)






Michel Claveau

[Steven D'Aprano]

Re: Self-modifying Code

On Thu, 19 May 2005 21:49:46 +0200, Do Re Mi chel La Si Do wrote:
[color=blue]
> Hi, you, also !
>
> A view, with a little difference :
>
>
> def titi(par):
> if par>222:
> return par*2
> else:
> return par*10
>
> print titi(123)
> print titi(1234)
>
> #now, change the function, "on instant"
> txt="""def titi(par):
> if par>222:
> return str(par)*2
> else:
> return str(par)*5
> """
> exec(txt,global s(),globals())
>
> print titi(123)
> print titi(1234)[/color]


Self-modifying code is almost always a TERRIBLE idea. Using exec is
dangerous unless you can control what is being executed. Using exec on
code a user supplies is a huge security hole.

Self-modifying code is one of those ideas that seems cute when you first
learn about it, but in practice is a bad idea. It makes debugging your
code much more difficult. It makes comprehending how your code works
harder. Generally, you should avoid it, and shun code that modifies itself.

Having said that, here is a good example of self-modifying code:

http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python/Recipe/68429

The RingBuffer class dynamically modifies itself once it is full so that
its behaviour changes.


--
Steven

[Do Re Mi chel La Si Do]

Re: Self-modifying Code

Hi !


I often use the auto-modification of code, to allow the users to adapt
software to the evolution of their needs.

When this technique is controlled, and framed well, it presents only few
problems.

AMHA, to speak about danger, it is the result of a lack of practice and
tests. It is a little the same debate as: dynamic language versus static
language.


@-salutations

Michel Claveau

[Bruno Desthuilliers]

Re: Self-modifying Code

Steven D'Aprano a écrit :
(snip)[color=blue]
> Having said that, here is a good example of self-modifying code:
>
> http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Coo...n/Recipe/68429
>
> The RingBuffer class dynamically modifies itself once it is full so that
> its behaviour changes.
>[/color]

This is nothing more than a pythonic implementation of the state
pattern. I would not call this "self-modifying code", since the code
itself is not modified.