rudeness was: Python licence again

[Michael.Coll-Barth@VerizonWireless.com]

Laszlo,
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>>> Is it something like 'center' or 'color' for Americans and 'centre' or[/color][/color][/color]
'colour' for British people?

Yes, exactly.
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>>> (Sorry to be offtopic)[/color][/color][/color]

No need to apologize. I started to read the postings on this list and was
dismayed at the depth of rudeness on here. I thought that pythonistas might
be a little more patient/tolerant. I guess I was wrong. I understood
exactly what you wanted to say, I just didn't have an answer. I did find it
amusing that the person who incorrectly corrected you, was in fact,
incorrect.

I wonder, how many others out there find that the documentation and
references materials seem to be written for someone that already knows the
answer, but are indecipherable, at times, for those that don't know the
answer.

thanks,
Michael
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[Matthew Thorley]

Re: rudeness was: Python licence again

Michael.Coll-Barth@VerizonWi reless.com wrote:[color=blue]
> Laszlo,
>
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>>Is it something like 'center' or 'color' for Americans and 'centre' or[/color][/color]
>
> 'colour' for British people?
>
> Yes, exactly.
>
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>>(Sorry to be offtopic)[/color][/color]
>
>
> No need to apologize. I started to read the postings on this list and was
> dismayed at the depth of rudeness on here. I thought that pythonistas might
> be a little more patient/tolerant. I guess I was wrong. I understood
> exactly what you wanted to say, I just didn't have an answer. I did find it
> amusing that the person who incorrectly corrected you, was in fact,
> incorrect.
>[/color]

This is a public list so any one is able to post, rude or otherwise. I
read this list often--though not as often as some :) --and have not
found that rudeness generaly describes the behavior of most posters, esp
the regulars.

Please don't let the voices of a few rebels stereotype, in your mind,
the attitude of the python community.

-Matthew

[Bengt Richter]

Re: rudeness was: Python licence again

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 16:08:12 -0400, Michael.Coll-Barth@VerizonWi reless.com wrote:
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>Laszlo,
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>> Is it something like 'center' or 'color' for Americans and 'centre' or[/color][/color]
>'colour' for British people?
>
>Yes, exactly.
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>> (Sorry to be offtopic)[/color][/color]
>
>No need to apologize. I started to read the postings on this list and was
>dismayed at the depth of rudeness on here. I thought that pythonistas might
>be a little more patient/tolerant. I guess I was wrong. I understood
>exactly what you wanted to say, I just didn't have an answer. I did find it
>amusing that the person who incorrectly corrected you, was in fact,
>incorrect.
>
>I wonder, how many others out there find that the documentation and
>references materials seem to be written for someone that already knows the
>answer, but are indecipherable, at times, for those that don't know the
>answer.
>[/color]
I wonder how many people complaining about documentation have noticed
the lines at the bottom of typical python.org doc pages (taken from the
first page of the tutorial at http://docs.python.org/tut/tut.html):

Release 2.4.1, documentation updated on 30 March 2005.
See About this document... for information on suggesting changes.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^
^
|
clickable link to http://docs.python.org/tut/about.html


Regards,
Bengt Richter

[Michael Hoffman]

Re: rudeness was: Python licence again

Michael.Coll-Barth@VerizonWi reless.com wrote:
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> I started to read the postings on this list and was dismayed
> at the depth of rudeness on here.[/color]

I saw no evidence of rudeness whatsoever. Well, with the possible
exception of some posters calling others names like "rude."
--
Michael Hoffman

[François Pinard]

Rudeness on this list [Re: rudeness was: Python licence again]

[Michael Hoffman][color=blue]
> Michael.Coll-Barth@VerizonWi reless.com wrote:[/color]
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> >I started to read the postings on this list and was dismayed at the
> >depth of rudeness on here.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> I saw no evidence of rudeness whatsoever. [...][/color]

It may be related to cultural differences, who knows. Some people are
sensible to rude behaviour or language, while others just do not notice:
I might guess they grew and learned to live in such environments.

As seen from here, the Python mailing list quality has been degrading
significantly for the last half-year or so. It is a bit unavoidable as
Python gains popularity and attracts people of all obediences.

One helping attitude, for everybody, would be to remember that we have
readers from everywhere on this planet, and that softness and politeness
is probably a good common denominator for people to be happy on the
average. If you happen to live in a harsh country, best is to become
conscious of the difference, and try to respect others.

Do you remember those years when Tim Peters was our effective softening
device? The list was then one of the nicest place one can be. After
a few polite replies, abusive people were generally ignored by all
members, and even institutional flamers were getting discouraged by the
lack of fuel, eventually leaving for elswehere. Nice times indeed! :-).

--
François Pinard http://pinard.progiciels-bpi.ca

[James Stroud]

Re: Rudeness on this list [Re: rudeness was: Python licence again]

On Sunday 24 April 2005 06:59 am, so sayeth François Pinard:[color=blue]
> As seen from here, the Python mailing list quality has been degrading
> significantly for the last half-year or so.[/color]

That's funny. That's exactly as long as I've been on this list. I wonder if
the correlation is causal?

--
James Stroud
UCLA-DOE Institute for Genomics and Proteomics
Box 951570
Los Angeles, CA 90095

http://www.jamesstroud.com/

[Ivan Van Laningham]

Re: Rudeness on this list [Re: rudeness was: Python licence again]

Hi All--

James Stroud wrote:[color=blue]
>
> On Sunday 24 April 2005 06:59 am, so sayeth François Pinard:[color=green]
> > As seen from here, the Python mailing list quality has been degrading
> > significantly for the last half-year or so.[/color]
>
> That's funny. That's exactly as long as I've been on this list. I wonder if
> the correlation is causal?
>[/color]

Nope. I've been MIA 4 years, and the only difference I can see between
now and four years ago is that Tim, Guido, Barry & a couple of others
aren't here or don't participate very much. It was a pretty nice list
then, it's a pretty nice list now, so I'm afraid I must disagree with
François.

Oh, and Gordon. Don't see Gordon around. Where's he?

Metta,
Ivan
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