is python more popular than coldfusion?

[worzel]

is python more popular than coldfusion?

I realsie that is a very general question as one thing does not directly relate to the other. My issue is that I am ditching coldfusion due to there being next to no work for it, and I am thinking of taking on python as a second language to java in the hope of improving my resume.

[Fuzzyman]

Re: is python more popular than coldfusion?

Definitely !

Fuzzy
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/index.shtml

[Premshree Pillai]

Re: is python more popular than coldfusion?

On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:59:21 +0800, worzel <asda@sdarta.co m> wrote:[color=blue]
>
>
>
> is python more popular than coldfusion?[/color]

I don't know if Coldfusion _was_ ever more "popular" than Python, but
Python is definitely more "popular" _now_.

This might be of some help: http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm
[color=blue]
>
> I realsie that is a very general question as one thing does not directly
> relate to the other. My issue is that I am ditching coldfusion due to there
> being next to no work for it, and I am thinking of taking on python as a
> second language to java in the hope of improving my resume.
> --
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>
>[/color]


--
Premshree Pillai

http://www.livejournal.com/~premshree

[worzel]

Re: is python more popular than coldfusion?

How seriuosly do folk take the TIOBE index? Is it a good way to ague what
you should be keeping up to speed with or just a 'vague' guide?



"Premshree Pillai" <premshree.pill ai@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:mailman.18 9.1104927428.22 381.python-list@python.org ...[color=blue]
> On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:59:21 +0800, worzel <asda@sdarta.co m> wrote:[color=green]
>>
>>
>>
>> is python more popular than coldfusion?[/color]
>
> I don't know if Coldfusion _was_ ever more "popular" than Python, but
> Python is definitely more "popular" _now_.
>
> This might be of some help: http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm
>[color=green]
>>
>> I realsie that is a very general question as one thing does not directly
>> relate to the other. My issue is that I am ditching coldfusion due to
>> there
>> being next to no work for it, and I am thinking of taking on python as a
>> second language to java in the hope of improving my resume.
>> --
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>>
>>[/color]
>
>
> --
> Premshree Pillai
> http://www.livejournal.com/~premshree[/color]

[Premshree Pillai]

Re: is python more popular than coldfusion?

On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:09:54 +0800, worzel <asda@sdarta.co m> wrote:[color=blue]
> How seriuosly do folk take the TIOBE index? Is it a good way to ague what
> you should be keeping up to speed with or just a 'vague' guide?[/color]

I use the TIOBE index -- sometimes -- when I give presentations on
Python (and Ruby) to people who haven't heard of the languages.

The index is not something to be relied upon (take a look at the
calculation mechanism). However, more often than not, the indices
seems to reflect what *I* perceive the indices are in reality. So I
kinda use them.

The thing about introducing a "new" language to a bunch of folks used
to their "favorite" language is that they wouldn't care much for a
language it isn't popular, or if it isn't "growing in popularity".

Beyond these things, I don't think anybody uses the index. I mean I
wouldn't tell people to learn languages that hold the top position on
TIOBE ;).
[color=blue]
>
> "Premshree Pillai" <premshree.pill ai@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:mailman.18 9.1104927428.22 381.python-list@python.org ...[color=green]
> > On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:59:21 +0800, worzel <asda@sdarta.co m> wrote:[color=darkred]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> is python more popular than coldfusion?[/color]
> >
> > I don't know if Coldfusion _was_ ever more "popular" than Python, but
> > Python is definitely more "popular" _now_.
> >
> > This might be of some help: http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm
> >[color=darkred]
> >>
> >> I realsie that is a very general question as one thing does not directly
> >> relate to the other. My issue is that I am ditching coldfusion due to
> >> there
> >> being next to no work for it, and I am thinking of taking on python as a
> >> second language to java in the hope of improving my resume.
> >> --
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
> >>
> >>[/color]
> >
> >
> > --
> > Premshree Pillai
> > http://www.livejournal.com/~premshree[/color]
>
> --
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>[/color]


--
Premshree Pillai

http://www.livejournal.com/~premshree

[worzel]

Re: is python more popular than coldfusion?

Wth respect to coldfusion, is there much doubt about the fact that Python is
a more prominent and important technology?

How is colfusion percieved by the Python community? Many people belive
coldfusion is becomeing irrelavant and is on its death bed - do Python folk
generally feel this way about it?

Thanks for your input on this by the way.

"Premshree Pillai" <premshree.pill ai@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:mailman.19 2.1104931284.22 381.python-list@python.org ...[color=blue]
> On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:09:54 +0800, worzel <asda@sdarta.co m> wrote:[color=green]
>> How seriuosly do folk take the TIOBE index? Is it a good way to ague what
>> you should be keeping up to speed with or just a 'vague' guide?[/color]
>
> I use the TIOBE index -- sometimes -- when I give presentations on
> Python (and Ruby) to people who haven't heard of the languages.
>
> The index is not something to be relied upon (take a look at the
> calculation mechanism). However, more often than not, the indices
> seems to reflect what *I* perceive the indices are in reality. So I
> kinda use them.
>
> The thing about introducing a "new" language to a bunch of folks used
> to their "favorite" language is that they wouldn't care much for a
> language it isn't popular, or if it isn't "growing in popularity".
>
> Beyond these things, I don't think anybody uses the index. I mean I
> wouldn't tell people to learn languages that hold the top position on
> TIOBE ;).
>[color=green]
>>
>> "Premshree Pillai" <premshree.pill ai@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:mailman.18 9.1104927428.22 381.python-list@python.org ...[color=darkred]
>> > On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:59:21 +0800, worzel <asda@sdarta.co m> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> is python more popular than coldfusion?
>> >
>> > I don't know if Coldfusion _was_ ever more "popular" than Python, but
>> > Python is definitely more "popular" _now_.
>> >
>> > This might be of some help: http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I realsie that is a very general question as one thing does not
>> >> directly
>> >> relate to the other. My issue is that I am ditching coldfusion due to
>> >> there
>> >> being next to no work for it, and I am thinking of taking on python as
>> >> a
>> >> second language to java in the hope of improving my resume.
>> >> --
>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Premshree Pillai
>> > http://www.livejournal.com/~premshree[/color]
>>
>> --
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>>[/color]
>
>
> --
> Premshree Pillai
> http://www.livejournal.com/~premshree[/color]

[Premshree Pillai]

Re: is python more popular than coldfusion?

On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:30:40 +0800, worzel <asda@sdarta.co m> wrote:[color=blue]
> Wth respect to coldfusion, is there much doubt about the fact that Python is
> a more prominent and important technology?[/color]

No doubt in my mind at least.
[color=blue]
>
> How is colfusion percieved by the Python community? Many people belive
> coldfusion is becomeing irrelavant and is on its death bed - do Python folk
> generally feel this way about it?[/color]

I have no much idea about Coldfusion, but as far as its *use* is
concerned, it definitely isn't much.
[color=blue]
>
> Thanks for your input on this by the way.
>
> "Premshree Pillai" <premshree.pill ai@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:mailman.19 2.1104931284.22 381.python-list@python.org ...[color=green]
> > On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:09:54 +0800, worzel <asda@sdarta.co m> wrote:[color=darkred]
> >> How seriuosly do folk take the TIOBE index? Is it a good way to ague what
> >> you should be keeping up to speed with or just a 'vague' guide?[/color]
> >
> > I use the TIOBE index -- sometimes -- when I give presentations on
> > Python (and Ruby) to people who haven't heard of the languages.
> >
> > The index is not something to be relied upon (take a look at the
> > calculation mechanism). However, more often than not, the indices
> > seems to reflect what *I* perceive the indices are in reality. So I
> > kinda use them.
> >
> > The thing about introducing a "new" language to a bunch of folks used
> > to their "favorite" language is that they wouldn't care much for a
> > language it isn't popular, or if it isn't "growing in popularity".
> >
> > Beyond these things, I don't think anybody uses the index. I mean I
> > wouldn't tell people to learn languages that hold the top position on
> > TIOBE ;).
> >[color=darkred]
> >>
> >> "Premshree Pillai" <premshree.pill ai@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:mailman.18 9.1104927428.22 381.python-list@python.org ...
> >> > On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:59:21 +0800, worzel <asda@sdarta.co m> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> is python more popular than coldfusion?
> >> >
> >> > I don't know if Coldfusion _was_ ever more "popular" than Python, but
> >> > Python is definitely more "popular" _now_.
> >> >
> >> > This might be of some help: http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> I realsie that is a very general question as one thing does not
> >> >> directly
> >> >> relate to the other. My issue is that I am ditching coldfusion due to
> >> >> there
> >> >> being next to no work for it, and I am thinking of taking on python as
> >> >> a
> >> >> second language to java in the hope of improving my resume.
> >> >> --
> >> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Premshree Pillai
> >> > http://www.livejournal.com/~premshree
> >>
> >> --
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
> >>[/color]
> >
> >
> > --
> > Premshree Pillai
> > http://www.livejournal.com/~premshree[/color]
>
> --
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>[/color]


--
Premshree Pillai

http://www.livejournal.com/~premshree

[worzel]

Re: is python more popular than coldfusion?

thanks, thats pretty much what I expected to hear.

"Premshree Pillai" <premshree.pill ai@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:mailman.19 5.1104932572.22 381.python-list@python.org ...[color=blue]
> On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:30:40 +0800, worzel <asda@sdarta.co m> wrote:[color=green]
>> Wth respect to coldfusion, is there much doubt about the fact that Python
>> is
>> a more prominent and important technology?[/color]
>
> No doubt in my mind at least.
>[color=green]
>>
>> How is colfusion percieved by the Python community? Many people belive
>> coldfusion is becomeing irrelavant and is on its death bed - do Python
>> folk
>> generally feel this way about it?[/color]
>
> I have no much idea about Coldfusion, but as far as its *use* is
> concerned, it definitely isn't much.
>[color=green]
>>
>> Thanks for your input on this by the way.
>>
>> "Premshree Pillai" <premshree.pill ai@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:mailman.19 2.1104931284.22 381.python-list@python.org ...[color=darkred]
>> > On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:09:54 +0800, worzel <asda@sdarta.co m> wrote:
>> >> How seriuosly do folk take the TIOBE index? Is it a good way to ague
>> >> what
>> >> you should be keeping up to speed with or just a 'vague' guide?
>> >
>> > I use the TIOBE index -- sometimes -- when I give presentations on
>> > Python (and Ruby) to people who haven't heard of the languages.
>> >
>> > The index is not something to be relied upon (take a look at the
>> > calculation mechanism). However, more often than not, the indices
>> > seems to reflect what *I* perceive the indices are in reality. So I
>> > kinda use them.
>> >
>> > The thing about introducing a "new" language to a bunch of folks used
>> > to their "favorite" language is that they wouldn't care much for a
>> > language it isn't popular, or if it isn't "growing in popularity".
>> >
>> > Beyond these things, I don't think anybody uses the index. I mean I
>> > wouldn't tell people to learn languages that hold the top position on
>> > TIOBE ;).
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "Premshree Pillai" <premshree.pill ai@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:mailman.18 9.1104927428.22 381.python-list@python.org ...
>> >> > On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:59:21 +0800, worzel <asda@sdarta.co m> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> is python more popular than coldfusion?
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't know if Coldfusion _was_ ever more "popular" than Python,
>> >> > but
>> >> > Python is definitely more "popular" _now_.
>> >> >
>> >> > This might be of some help: http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I realsie that is a very general question as one thing does not
>> >> >> directly
>> >> >> relate to the other. My issue is that I am ditching coldfusion due
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> there
>> >> >> being next to no work for it, and I am thinking of taking on python
>> >> >> as
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> second language to java in the hope of improving my resume.
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Premshree Pillai
>> >> > http://www.livejournal.com/~premshree
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Premshree Pillai
>> > http://www.livejournal.com/~premshree[/color]
>>
>> --
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>>[/color]
>
>
> --
> Premshree Pillai
> http://www.livejournal.com/~premshree[/color]

[beliavsky@aol.com]

Re: is python more popular than coldfusion?

>is python more popular than coldfusion?
[color=blue]
>I realsie that is a very general question as one thing does not[/color]
directly[color=blue]
>relate to the other. My issue is that I am ditching coldfusion due to
>there being next to no work for it, and I am thinking of taking on
>python as a second language to java in the hope of improving my[/color]
resume.

For your specific purpose of learning a language to get a job, I
suggest visiting the site http://mshiltonj.com/sm/categories/languages/
, where it appears that Python is mentioned about as often as Fortran
or Ada in job listings at dice.com . Apart from Java, two languages in
demand are C++ and Visual Basic. C++ may be easier to learn along with
Java since the syntax is similar, but VB is a very easy language to
learn and use.

[beliavsky@aol.com]

Re: is python more popular than coldfusion?

OTOH,

Here are the numbers for Average Salary by Languages Used (2 numbers,
staff and management) in ascending order from the 2004 Salary Survey
from Software Development Magazine. I am surprised that there is so
little variation across languages: 13 out of 22 are in the $81-$85K
range. But Python IS tied for first. This may indicate that the
relatively small number of jobs listing Python as a requirement is due
in part to a relatively small supply of Python programmers, not lack of
demand for such programmers.

Delphi/Object Pascal $76K $96K
Cobol $76K $95K
EDI $78K $98K
..NET $79K $98K
Oracle/SQL Server/Sybase/database $80K $100K
SAP/PeopleSoft/Oracle/ERP $81K $100K
C# $81K $100K
Perl/Javascript/PHP/scripting $81K $100K
Lotus Notes/groupware $82K $101K
Java $83K $102K
Fortran $83K $102K
C++ $84K $103K
JavaBeans/ActiveX/component $84K $101K
C $84K $104K
Ada $84K $105K
Biztalk/Crossworlds/bus. integration $84K $99K
SOAP $85K $103K
J2EE $85K $105K
CORBA/COM/middleware $87K $106K
J2ME $88K $104K
Python $89K $105K
Java messaging $89K $106K

[Paul Rubin]

Re: is python more popular than coldfusion?

beliavsky@aol.c om writes:[color=blue]
> But Python IS tied for first. This may indicate that the
> relatively small number of jobs listing Python as a requirement is due
> in part to a relatively small supply of Python programmers, not lack of
> demand for such programmers.[/color]

I think it mostly means Python programmers tend to be further up the
overall experience and proficiency scale than, say, .NET programmers.

[Luis M. Gonzalez]

Re: is python more popular than coldfusion?


worzel wrote:[color=blue]
> Wth respect to coldfusion, is there much doubt about the fact that[/color]
Python is[color=blue]
> a more prominent and important technology?
>
> How is colfusion percieved by the Python community? Many people[/color]
belive[color=blue]
> coldfusion is becomeing irrelavant and is on its death bed - do[/color]
Python folk[color=blue]
> generally feel this way about it?[/color]

I think this is a little bit like comparing oranges to apples...
I wouldn't say Coldfusion is a programming language. It is a tag based
scripting language designed for web development and, as such, it is
very easy to learn and use, but its application domain is limited to
the web. It comes in handy if you're a designer with no programming
skills and you want to hook your site to a database or do some easy web
development, but I think that professional developers (non-designers)
use other alternatives ranging from php (open source, free) to asp.net
(propietary -MS).

On the other hand, python is a general purpose programming language and
it can be used for almost anything you can think of. It is not just a
web scripting language.

My advice: if you want to learn something for getting a job and making
a living, forget about Coldfusion. It is ok for a web designer or for a
hobbyist who doesn't know and doesn't want to know about programming,
but who needs to get the job done with the least delay.

Now if you're serious about making a living as a programmer, and you
are willing to study and learn, (and provided you're new to
programming) I would highly recommend python as your first language.
It is very easy to learn and with it, you'll learn advanced programming
concepts quickier and easier than by studying java, for example,
because its syntax is cleaner and much more concise, easy to read and
to the point.
Then, and once you have a good grasp about the basics of programming
and object oriented concepts, you will be able to learn any other
language such as java or c# (for making big bucks).

And if you are not interested in learning another language, python
alone will make a very good general purpose programming language.
Why the way, it's also very fun!

[Mike Meyer]

Re: is python more popular than coldfusion?

beliavsky@aol.c om writes:
[color=blue][color=green]
>>is python more popular than coldfusion?[/color]
> For your specific purpose of learning a language to get a job, I
> suggest visiting the site http://mshiltonj.com/sm/categories/languages/
> , where it appears that Python is mentioned about as often as Fortran
> or Ada in job listings at dice.com . Apart from Java, two languages in
> demand are C++ and Visual Basic. C++ may be easier to learn along with
> Java since the syntax is similar, but VB is a very easy language to
> learn and use.[/color]

SQL is also in pretty high demand in the places I watch. Problem is,
they usually want *specific* SQL variants, so it's a fragmented
market.

<mike
--
Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.or g> http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/
Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information.

[Premshree Pillai]

Re: is python more popular than coldfusion?

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:54:53 -0600, Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.or g> wrote:[color=blue]
> beliavsky@aol.c om writes:
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> >>is python more popular than coldfusion?[/color]
> > For your specific purpose of learning a language to get a job, I
> > suggest visiting the site http://mshiltonj.com/sm/categories/languages/
> > , where it appears that Python is mentioned about as often as Fortran
> > or Ada in job listings at dice.com . Apart from Java, two languages in
> > demand are C++ and Visual Basic. C++ may be easier to learn along with
> > Java since the syntax is similar, but VB is a very easy language to
> > learn and use.[/color]
>
> SQL is also in pretty high demand in the places I watch. Problem is,[/color]

Umm, but SQL is not a _programming_ language. If you're job requires
DB stuff, knowledge of SQL would probably be a requisite, but SQL
alone, of course, won't do much good.
[color=blue]
> they usually want *specific* SQL variants, so it's a fragmented
> market.
>
> <mike
> --
> Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.or g> http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/
> Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information.
> --
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>[/color]


--
Premshree Pillai

http://www.livejournal.com/~premshree

[worzel]

Re: is python more popular than coldfusion?

Thanks for all the feedback guys.

It seems CF is not really a big money earner or even recognised as a serious language to many folk.

by the way, does anybody want to buy any coldfusion books :)

(I just bought O'Reileys 'Learning Python' - its extremely readable and very thorough)

"worzel" <asda@sdarta.co m> wrote in message news:41dbd699$0 $23092$5a62ac22 @per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au ...
is python more popular than coldfusion?

I realsie that is a very general question as one thing does not directly relate to the other. My issue is that I am ditching coldfusion due to there being next to no work for it, and I am thinking of taking on python as a second language to java in the hope of improving my resume.