Python IDE

[Fuzzyman]

Re: Python IDE


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If it's a short reply to a long post - in context - top posting is
often *significantly * less annoying......

Isn't there a quote that includes 'hobgobline of little minds'......

Regards,
Fuzzy
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/atlantib...thonutils.html

[Dan Perl]

Re: [OT] Python IDE


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> If it's a short reply to a long post - in context - top posting is
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> Isn't there a quote that includes 'hobgobline of little minds'......
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> Fuzzy
> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/atlantib...thonutils.html
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That was my point. I was being sarcastic again but I didn't put a warning
anymore. As I'm doing now, still posting at the bottom of a long posting.

I'm not sure whether you were attacking me too (am I the "little mind"?) or
supporting me, Fuzzy. Anyway, I think that Mike Meyer was more annoyed by
my jab at US politics than by my top posting. But it was safer for him to
pick on the latter.

Dan

[tfillmor]

Re: Python IDE

Hi -

Yah, this is a ticklish subject... personally I never have thought
PythonWin to be stable enough for larger projects, though I'm certain
this has something to do with the way our IT folks see fit to set up
our workstations (no I cannot modify the configs). It's quite nice for
basic things, though. Also, while I am forced to use Win32 at work, I
really prefer to use Linux and MacOSX. Thus, for me the cross platform
concept is mandatory as I would prefer to learn only one editor.

I tried Eclipse, really I did, and think it's a great product - - for
Java. That may change in the future but for me it's not something I am
comfortable using - - for Python. That and the fact that my work
machine is not too powerful all but rules out using Java. Yes, it
works, though very slowly.....

I personally don't have the money for a commercially licensed product,
and quite honestly don't see an immediate need for one. For me, what I
need is something that can address my _coding_ needs, such as
calltips, auto-indent and the like, not _project_ needs. Some folks
need this level of functionality, I don't...

I've used SPE (http://spe.pycs.net/) and found it to be quite wonderful
but also a bit touchy, though not quite as much as PythonWin. I should
note I haven't used it in a while so it may be just the thing to now
use. In fact I'm gonna give it a whirl sometime soon because of the
GUI design components.

What I am using right now, quite happily, is SciTE
(http://scintilla.sourceforge.net/SciTE.html), a cross-platform GTK
editor basied on Scintilla that I have found strikes a good balance of
features vs necessary resources. For example, what it offers is this:
1) A free editor with syntax highlighting for many many languages and
'gotta have' features such as indents, folding and the like
2) Calltips that work _on all platforms_. Some are downloadable from
the site, though for Python, you need to use the script at this
location (http://scintilla.sourceforge.net/gen_python_api.zip) - be
sure to read the first portion of the script as it has notes on what to
do to activate the calltips in the editor.
3) About a bazillion other things that can be tweaked, with config
files that can be copied between work machines.
4) Global as well as local config files for those with specific needs.

Anyway, I think SciTE offers a good mix of features - what it doesn't
have (e.g., printing) it has alternate solutions for (e.g., exporting
in html, pdf, etc). With regard to printing, I've found that when I do
need to print I like having the exported files around anyway.
Good luck!!


Tom Fillmore
blustery southern California

[Mike Meyer]

Re: [OT] Python IDE

Q: What's the second most annoying thing to do on Usenet?
A: Fail to properly trim quotes.

"Dan Perl" <danperl@rogers .com> writes:
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> "Fuzzyman" <fuzzyman@gmail .com> wrote in message
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>> Dan Perl wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "Mike Meyer" <mwm@mired.or g> wrote in message
>>> news:86brct1zr3 .fsf@guru.mired .org...
>>> > "Dan Perl" <danperl@rogers .com> writes:
>>> >> "Mike Meyer" <mwm@mired.or g> wrote in message
>>> >> news:86zn0d20x8 .fsf@guru.mired .org...
>>> >>> A: What's the most obnoxious thing on Usenet?
>>> >>> Q: topposting.
>>> >> What is "Jeopardy", Alex? You got your Q&A mixed up.
>>> > No, the Q&A in that order demonstrate what's wrong with top[/color]
>> posting.[color=darkred]
>>> Yeah, you're right.[/color]
>> If it's a short reply to a long post - in context - top posting is
>> often *significantly * less annoying......[/color][/color]

When replying to a long post, you should trim the post to the relevant
parts. This goes a long way towards solving that problem. Even if the
relevant parts are rather long, it's still better to not top post,
because that'll leave things out of order for replies.
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> I'm not sure whether you were attacking me too (am I the "little mind"?) or
> supporting me, Fuzzy. Anyway, I think that Mike Meyer was more annoyed by
> my jab at US politics than by my top posting. But it was safer for him to
> pick on the latter.[/color]

You're wrong. I don't even remember seeing any comment about american
politics in your post.

<mike
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Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information.

[David JH]

Re: Python IDE

On the subject.... can somebody here who uses SPE (or just has some
python knowledge) help me out with the installation process? I tried
following http://spe.pycs.net/extra/manual/manual.html#windows but end
up with the error:


python /c/system/python24/Lib/site-packages/_spe/winInstall.py
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/c/system/python24/Lib/site-packages/_spe/winInstall.py", line
1, in ?
import info
File "/c/system/python24/Lib/site-packages/_spe/info.py", line 1, in
?
import os,sys,sm.osx
ImportError: No module named sm.osx


interestingly enough there is an osx.py in
PYTHON_DIR/Lib/site-packages/sm so I figure I may just have python
configured poorly somehow. Any ideas on where I should look?

[David JH]

Re: Python IDE

On the subject.... can somebody here who uses SPE (or just has some
python knowledge) help me out with the installation process? I tried
following http://spe.pycs.net/extra/manual/manual.html#windows but end
up with the error:


python /c/system/python24/Lib/site-packages/_spe/winInstall.py
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/c/system/python24/Lib/site-packages/_spe/winInstall.py", line
1, in ?
import info
File "/c/system/python24/Lib/site-packages/_spe/info.py", line 1, in
?
import os,sys,sm.osx
ImportError: No module named sm.osx


interestingly enough there is an osx.py in
PYTHON_DIR/Lib/site-packages/sm so I figure I may just have python
configured poorly somehow. Any ideas on where I should look?

[LutherRevisited]

Re: Python IDE

Just looking it appears you are trying to install SPE in Python24, which I
don't think will work. Myself I'm still on Python23 because IDEs haven't
caught up yet. I believe if you put Python23 in and install it there it will
work. On another note you may want to get Boa-constructor instead. Nothing is
wrong with SPE, I played around with it alot, but I think you will find the the
GUI building tools in BOA are much better than WxGlade with comes with SPE,
though there are some advantages to sizers and all that, it gives you tighter
control on what happens when you resize, yada, yada... but you can do that in
Boa if you like. Hope this helped.