Python mascot proposal

[Adil Hasan]

Re: Python mascot proposal


Would a parrot on it's back be better?
adil


On Mon, 13 Dec 2004, Alex Stapleton wrote:
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> Well the most well known Flying Circus snake related sketch is probably
> the one eyed trouser snake one, which is er-, probably less than a good
> idea for a logo. The Snake with some sort of Monty Python themeing is
> probably the best idea, but drawing a snake + large foot/16 ton
> weight/holy grail/norweigan blue might be a bit tricky when you have to
> make small sized icons, which is why the current snake is so handy. I
> guess someone should watch the intro to flying circus, and/or the
> animations from some of the movies for inspiration.
>
> But on that note, how about a python + rose combo?
>
> Eric Pederson wrote:[color=green]
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> >>Since the word 'Python' would bring -some- sort of snake associations,
> >>I
> >>thought of combining snake and Monty Python symbolic, like making a
> >>snake wind around a giant foot, or adding long mustache and an english
> >>hat to a snake or something in that manner, or even put a snake into a
> >>holy grail heh.
> >>
> >>But then again, I'm not sure if there'll be no copyright issues.[/color]
> >
> >
> >
> > But surely only you and I and the other Pythonistas will recognize a Norwegian Blue when we see one.
> >
> >
> > Might be hard to get away from the snake, as was noted, its a level or two easier mental association than MP.
> >
> >
> > Logo? Maybe a Norweigian Blue on is back, one fut in e air, wit a snake ead off to is ide, grinningly wit a char-grin?
> >
> >
> >
> > es not dead!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Eric Pederson
> > ::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::: :::::
> > domainNot="@som ething.com"
> > domainIs=domain Not.replace("s" ,"z")
> > ePrefix="".join ([chr(ord(x)+1) for x in "do"])
> > mailMeAt=ePrefi x+domainIs
> > ::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::: :::::
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]

[Alex Stapleton]

Re: Python mascot proposal

The problem with parrots is that Perl 6's engine is called Parrot.
Although I suppose the image of a dead Parrot/snake eating a parrot etc
could be a "good" one in some peoples minds. But i'm not sure Perl
people are really the sort that you wan't to make enemies of, they are
deadly with custard pies. It's a bit immature to insult another language
like that anyway, not thats the idea you where going for of course.


Adil Hasan wrote:[color=blue]
> Would a parrot on it's back be better?
> adil
>
>
> On Mon, 13 Dec 2004, Alex Stapleton wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>>Well the most well known Flying Circus snake related sketch is probably
>>the one eyed trouser snake one, which is er-, probably less than a good
>>idea for a logo. The Snake with some sort of Monty Python themeing is
>>probably the best idea, but drawing a snake + large foot/16 ton
>>weight/holy grail/norweigan blue might be a bit tricky when you have to
>>make small sized icons, which is why the current snake is so handy. I
>>guess someone should watch the intro to flying circus, and/or the
>>animations from some of the movies for inspiration.
>>
>>But on that note, how about a python + rose combo?
>>
>>Eric Pederson wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>>Since the word 'Python' would bring -some- sort of snake associations,
>>>>I
>>>>thought of combining snake and Monty Python symbolic, like making a
>>>>snake wind around a giant foot, or adding long mustache and an english
>>>>hat to a snake or something in that manner, or even put a snake into a
>>>>holy grail heh.
>>>>
>>>>But then again, I'm not sure if there'll be no copyright issues.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>But surely only you and I and the other Pythonistas will recognize a Norwegian Blue when we see one.
>>>
>>>
>>>Might be hard to get away from the snake, as was noted, its a level or two easier mental association than MP.
>>>
>>>
>>>Logo? Maybe a Norweigian Blue on is back, one fut in e air, wit a snake ead off to is ide, grinningly wit a char-grin?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>es not dead!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Eric Pederson
>>>:::::::::::: ::::::::::::::: ::::::::
>>>domainNot="@ something.com"
>>>domainIs=dom ainNot.replace( "s","z")
>>>ePrefix="".j oin([chr(ord(x)+1) for x in "do"])
>>>mailMeAt=ePr efix+domainIs
>>>:::::::::::: ::::::::::::::: ::::::::
>>>[/color]
>>
>>[/color][/color]

[Jeremy Jones]

Re: Python mascot proposal

Luis M. Gonzalez wrote:
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>Hey Dimitri,
>
>I completely agree with you in that Python needs once for all a cool
>logo.
>I like your design very much, but I have a few thoughts about it:
>
>1) I think that Python's logo should reflect its power.
>
>[/color]
Vorpal Bunny. Now, *that's* power.
[color=blue]
>If we use a mascot as its image, we would be giving the wrong idea:
>that Python is a "toy" language, instead of a very good alternative to
>other mainstream languages.
>
>2) We should also bear in mind Guido's oppinion about using a snake for
>identifying Python.
>
>[/color]
I've been googling for this today. So, what exactly is Guido's opinion
on snake logos?
[color=blue]
>3) And finally, we should consider it very seriously. Image is not
>everything, but it is very important for "marketing" a product. I'm
>sure that if Java didn't have a cool name and a cool logo, it wouldn't
>have been that succesfull.
>
>I don't mean to sound like I'm rejecting your idea. I really like it
>alot, and it is an excellent mascot.
>It's just that I wouldn't use a mascot... I'd rather use a more
>"killer" image.
>
>[/color]
There's not much more of a "killer" than a Vorpal Bunny. Those things
are vicious.
[color=blue]
>Something that reflects power and excellence.
>
>[/color]
I see some similarities between Vorpal Bunnies and Python (the language):

- Pleasing to the eye
- Deceptively powerful
- Gets the job done - and then some
[color=blue]
>What do you think?
>
>
>[/color]
Vorpal Bunny. Because every other logo lacks the power of a rodential
killer.


0.5-wink-ly y'rs,

Jeremy Jones

[wk8l@yahoo.com]

Re: Python mascot proposal

I thought there was probably already an official mascot. There's a
little green snake with his tongue hanging out on the left of the URL
when you visit www.python.org. I see it in my Safari browser on Mac OS
X and in Firefox, but not in Internet Exploder. I thought that I had
seen a large picture somewhere, but can't find it now.
I don't know if he has an official name, but I've been calling him
Monty. Monty, the Python; not to be confused with Monty Python of
course ;)

Dan

[infidel]

Re: Python mascot proposal

Not that my opinion is worth anything in these matters, but I like the
upper-left example at http://exogen.cwru.edu/python.png the best (out
of the samples I've seen thus far). I don't like the "gear" shape, and
I think adding a coil or circle around the "head" detracts somewhat
from the look. I like the clean, sharp lines - seems very metaphorical
for the language. My only critique would be that it appears (to me)
much like a clan insignia from Battletech. Not that such is a bad
thing, mind you.

I think people are a little over-anxious regarding copyright
infringement. I think a snake around a holy grail would be a fine
logo, "the holy grail of programming languages" seems appropriate to
me. There's no way that MPFC can have rights over all possible
combinations of "Python" and "Holy Grail". Chill out, people.

[Lenard Lindstrom]

Re: Python mascot proposal

Steven Bethard <steven.bethard @gmail.com> writes:
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> Brian Beck wrote:[color=green]
> > http://exogen.cwru.edu/python2.png[/color]
>
> Oooh, I like this one. Very cool!
>[/color]
Its visually stunning. But under Windows gears show up in the DLL
and batch file icons.

Lenard Lindstrom
<len-l@telus.net>

[Lenard Lindstrom]

Re: Python mascot proposal

Jeremy Jones <zanesdad@bells outh.net> writes:
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> Luis M. Gonzalez wrote:
>[color=green]
> >Hey Dimitri,
> >[/color][/color]
[snip][color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> >2) We should also bear in mind Guido's oppinion about using a snake for[/color]
> >identifying Python.
> >[/color]
> I've been googling for this today. So, what exactly is Guido's
> opinion on snake logos?
>[/color]
This is taken straight from the Python FAQ:

1.2. Why is it called Python?
Apart from being a computer scientist, I'm also a fan of "Monty Python's
Flying Circus" (a BBC comedy series from the seventies, in the
-- unlikely -- case you didn't know). It occurred to me one day that
I needed a name that was short, unique, and slightly mysterious. And
I happened to be reading some scripts from the series at the time...
So then I decided to call my language Python.

By now I don't care any more whether you use a Python, some other snake,
a foot or 16-ton weight, or a wood rat as a logo for Python!

Of course any official logo would likely require a PEP and the BDFL's
endorcement. But before that it might be an idea to see if it becomes
popular as a de facto logo first.

Lenard Lindstrom
<len-l@telus.net>

[James Stroud]

Re: Python mascot proposal


As far as python.png below is concerned, I am reminded of the structure of the
HIV virus: http://www.avert.org/pictures/hivstructure.htm

Pleasing to virologists and drug companies, but as a single, computer-type
guy, it makes my skin crawl in more ways than one.

On Sunday 12 December 2004 07:40 pm, Brian Beck wrote:[color=blue]
> Here are a couple of images/logos (quite a bit
> different from a mascot) I've been working on...
>
> http://exogen.cwru.edu/python.png
> http://exogen.cwru.edu/python2.png
>
> If anyone can think of a way to break free of the reptile-oriented
> thought process but maintain clear, symbolic imagery, I'd love to see
> more suggestions or renditions![/color]

--
James Stroud, Ph.D.
UCLA-DOE Institute for Genomics and Proteomics
611 Charles E. Young Dr. S.
MBI 205, UCLA 951570
Los Angeles CA 90095-1570

http://www.jamesstroud.com/

[Steven Bethard]

Re: Python mascot proposal

Lenard Lindstrom wrote:[color=blue]
> Steven Bethard <steven.bethard @gmail.com> writes:
>[color=green]
>>Brian Beck wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>http://exogen.cwru.edu/python2.png[/color]
>>
>>Oooh, I like this one. Very cool!
>>[/color]
> Its visually stunning. But under Windows gears show up in the DLL
> and batch file icons.[/color]

Is that a problem? The fact that they show up in DLLs and batch files
means they're not exclusive to a certain type of file... And neither of
these have pythons winding around them, I believe. ;)

That said, if someone had a really cool mix of python and Monty Python,
I'd probably prefer that...

Steve

[Graham Fawcett]

Re: Python mascot proposal

Luis M. Gonzalez wrote:[color=blue]
> Hey Dimitri,
>
> I completely agree with you in that Python needs once for all a cool
> logo.
> I like your design very much, but I have a few thoughts about it:
>
> 1) I think that Python's logo should reflect its power.
> If we use a mascot as its image, we would be giving the wrong idea:
> that Python is a "toy" language, instead of a very good alternative[/color]
to[color=blue]
> other mainstream languages.[/color]

+1. But I think your logo would be a great identifier for Python when
teaching it to younger students. Perhaps the EDU-SIG/Python in
Education folks might be interested.

The American wrestler Hulk Hogan used to intimidate his opponents by
flexing the muscles of his arms, which he refered to as his "26-inch
Pythons". Now, there's a powerful image that would strike an awe-ful
chord in the hearts of many a thick-glassed geek! "Whatcha gonna do,
when the world's most powerful dynamic language comes after you?"
-- Graham

[Adam DePrince]

Re: Python mascot proposal

On Mon, 2004-12-13 at 14:50, James Stroud wrote:[color=blue]
> As far as python.png below is concerned, I am reminded of the structure of the
> HIV virus: http://www.avert.org/pictures/hivstructure.htm
>
> Pleasing to virologists and drug companies, but as a single, computer-type
> guy, it makes my skin crawl in more ways than one.
>
> On Sunday 12 December 2004 07:40 pm, Brian Beck wrote:[color=green]
> > Here are a couple of images/logos (quite a bit
> > different from a mascot) I've been working on...
> >
> > http://exogen.cwru.edu/python.png
> > http://exogen.cwru.edu/python2.png
> >
> > If anyone can think of a way to break free of the reptile-oriented
> > thought process but maintain clear, symbolic imagery, I'd love to see
> > more suggestions or renditions![/color][/color]

The notion of python as a meme, a mental virus, something ubiquitous,
invasive and unavoidable like the common cold or a half time ad isn't
bad. A rebellion against the accusations made by some that open source
code is viral would be nice.

But I agree, python.png is a bit harsh. It screams "rigid,
militaristic, violent." It is also dangerous; if I saw that on the
bumper of an overturned car I wouldn't stop to help -- I'd run like
hell. We don't want Python aficionados to die from lack of medical care
while hazmat teams look up arcane symbols on underpowered field hardened
laptops while wearing inch thick gloves.

When I think of Python in emotional terms. A plush toy like Tux is more
appealing.

As for python2.png ... does the snake get all smushed up in the gear if
it turns?


Adam DePrince

[Jive]

Re: Python mascot proposal

I've yet to see a Python logo that I thought was really good. The cartoon
green snake icon is okay, I guess, if a bit cutesy for my taste.

Random thoughts: It is unreasonable to use the name "Python" and not expect
people to associate it with a snake. I say that although I'm a big Python
(Monte) fan from the beginning. I think it would be a bad idea to market
the etymological connection between Python the language and the comedy
group. Always remember that most people are pig-ignorant philistines.
Besides, Monte Python stuff is trademarked and copyrighted.. And what have
you got against snakes, huh? Huh?

Jive

[Jive]

Re: Python mascot proposal

P.s. I never could stand Beanie and Cecil.

[Lenard Lindstrom]

Re: Python mascot proposal

Steven Bethard <steven.bethard @gmail.com> writes:
[color=blue]
> Lenard Lindstrom wrote:[color=green]
> > Steven Bethard <steven.bethard @gmail.com> writes:
> >[color=darkred]
> >>Brian Beck wrote:
> >>
> >>>http://exogen.cwru.edu/python2.png
> >>
> >>Oooh, I like this one. Very cool!
> >>[/color]
> > Its visually stunning. But under Windows gears show up in the DLL
> > and batch file icons.[/color]
>
> Is that a problem? The fact that they show up in DLLs and batch files
> means they're not exclusive to a certain type of file... And neither
> of these have pythons winding around them, I believe. ;)
>[/color]
The only reason I bring it up is there are Python Windows icons for .py, .pyw,
and .pyc files, but not .pyd extension modules. I make do by setting
..pyd files to use the same icon as other DLLs. But if an icon with a
snake and gear is made into the new Windows icon for Python it would
make me think of the .pyd file icon that should have been.

Lenard Lindstrom
<len-l@telus.net>

[Andrew Robert]

Re: Python mascot proposal


What about a dead camel?