Fun with Outlook and MAPI

[Chris]

I'm trying to send an e-mail through outlook. So far I've gotten it to
work with the mail script at
http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Coo.../Recipe/149461 My only
problem is that when I call Resolve() and Send(), I get confirmation
dialogs. I will be sending out quite a few e-mails at a time, and would
rather not have the user have to click yes for every single one. Does
anyone know a workaround? I know about smtplib, but I would prefer to
simply make what I have work. Thanks.

Chris

[Will McGugan]

Re: Fun with Outlook and MAPI

Chris wrote:[color=blue]
> I'm trying to send an e-mail through outlook. So far I've gotten it to
> work with the mail script at
> http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Coo.../Recipe/149461 My only
> problem is that when I call Resolve() and Send(), I get confirmation
> dialogs. I will be sending out quite a few e-mails at a time, and would
> rather not have the user have to click yes for every single one. Does
> anyone know a workaround? I know about smtplib, but I would prefer to
> simply make what I have work. Thanks.[/color]

Alas, I dont think that there is much you can do to prevent the
confirmation dialogs with Outlook's MAPI dll. MS added them in a service
pack as an anti-virus measure, so no work-around. Not all clients show
these anoying dialogs though. Thunderbird definately doesn't.


Regards,

Will McGugan

[David Fraser]

Re: Fun with Outlook and MAPI

Will McGugan wrote:[color=blue]
> Chris wrote:
>[color=green]
>> I'm trying to send an e-mail through outlook. So far I've gotten it
>> to work with the mail script at
>> http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Coo.../Recipe/149461 My
>> only problem is that when I call Resolve() and Send(), I get
>> confirmation dialogs. I will be sending out quite a few e-mails at a
>> time, and would rather not have the user have to click yes for every
>> single one. Does anyone know a workaround? I know about smtplib, but
>> I would prefer to simply make what I have work. Thanks.[/color]
>
>
> Alas, I dont think that there is much you can do to prevent the
> confirmation dialogs with Outlook's MAPI dll. MS added them in a service
> pack as an anti-virus measure, so no work-around. Not all clients show
> these anoying dialogs though. Thunderbird definately doesn't.
>
>[/color]

There is actually a workaround. You're using Simple MAPI which has a
nice easy interface. The confirmation dialogs are only for Simple MAPI.
Using Extended MAPI can work around the problem but its a lot more tricky.
See the initial discussion here:

http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Mail/Message/Python-win32/2160646

This code has now been included in pywin32 somehow but I can't remember
where and its late. Should also be a cookbook entry. Maybe Google can
help :-)

David

[Will McGugan]

Re: Fun with Outlook and MAPI

David Fraser wrote:[color=blue][color=green]
>>
>> Alas, I dont think that there is much you can do to prevent the
>> confirmation dialogs with Outlook's MAPI dll. MS added them in a
>> service pack as an anti-virus measure, so no work-around. Not all
>> clients show these anoying dialogs though. Thunderbird definately
>> doesn't.
>>
>>[/color]
>
> There is actually a workaround. You're using Simple MAPI which has a[/color]

I stand corrected.

Will McGugan

[Chris]

Re: Fun with Outlook and MAPI

Will McGugan wrote:[color=blue][color=green]
>> I'm trying to send an e-mail through outlook. So far I've gotten it
>> to work with the mail script at
>> http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Coo.../Recipe/149461 My
>> only problem is that when I call Resolve() and Send(), I get
>> confirmation dialogs. I will be sending out quite a few e-mails at a
>> time, and would rather not have the user have to click yes for every
>> single one. Does anyone know a workaround? I know about smtplib, but
>> I would prefer to simply make what I have work. Thanks.[/color]
> Alas, I dont think that there is much you can do to prevent the
> confirmation dialogs with Outlook's MAPI dll. MS added them in a service
> pack as an anti-virus measure, so no work-around. Not all clients show
> these anoying dialogs though. Thunderbird definately doesn't.[/color]

Unfortunately, I don't have the option of installing Thunderbird.

Chris

[Chris]

Re: Fun with Outlook and MAPI

>> Alas, I dont think that there is much you can do to prevent the[color=blue][color=green]
>> confirmation dialogs with Outlook's MAPI dll. MS added them in a
>> service pack as an anti-virus measure, so no work-around. Not all
>> clients show these anoying dialogs though. Thunderbird definately
>> doesn't.[/color]
> There is actually a workaround. You're using Simple MAPI which has a
> nice easy interface. The confirmation dialogs are only for Simple MAPI.
> Using Extended MAPI can work around the problem but its a lot more tricky.
> See the initial discussion here:
> http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Mai...-win32/2160646
>
> This code has now been included in pywin32 somehow but I can't remember
> where and its late. Should also be a cookbook entry. Maybe Google can
> help :-)[/color]

Cool. I'll take a look an' see if I can get it to work. MAPI has
turned out to be a major PITA. Especially when trying to learn it and
Python at the same time. :)

Chris

[Larry Bates]

Re: Fun with Outlook and MAPI

At the risk of beating a dead horse, but you really should consider
using SMTP instead if you are really going to be sending a lot
of messages. I think you will find it more reliable and much faster.
It also eliminates the need for ANY email client to be on the machine
that is sending the messages.

http://motion.technolust.cx/related/send_jpg.py

Here is a link to a class that wraps everything up very nicely. You
should be able to be sending SMTP emails with it in 10-15 minutes.
It supports binary attachments as well.

FYI,
Larry Bates

Chris wrote:[color=blue]
> I'm trying to send an e-mail through outlook. So far I've gotten it to
> work with the mail script at
> http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Coo.../Recipe/149461 My only
> problem is that when I call Resolve() and Send(), I get confirmation
> dialogs. I will be sending out quite a few e-mails at a time, and would
> rather not have the user have to click yes for every single one. Does
> anyone know a workaround? I know about smtplib, but I would prefer to
> simply make what I have work. Thanks.
>
> Chris[/color]

[Roger Binns]

Re: Fun with Outlook and MAPI


"Larry Bates" <lbates@syscono nline.com> wrote in message news:lvKdndOR57 3zlibcRVn-jA@comcast.com. ..[color=blue]
> At the risk of beating a dead horse, but you really should consider
> using SMTP instead if you are really going to be sending a lot
> of messages.[/color]

The problem is that doesn't work in more complicated configurations
such as when authentication and/or SSL have to happen, not to mention
the issue of configuring servers and ports, that users have already
configured in their mail clients. Additionally when you use MAPI,
messages that you send also end up in your sent items folder. (I
also have not had any issue sending lots of messages using MAPI).

Ultimately the utility of vanilla of pure SMTP will depend on
customer requirements and how simple the configuration is.

Roger

[Roger Binns]

Re: Fun with Outlook and MAPI


"Chris" <ch.list@us-hampton.mail.sa ic.com> wrote in message news:mailman.74 82.1102706309.5 135.python-list@python.org ...[color=blue]
> My only problem is that when I call Resolve() and Send(), I get confirmation dialogs. I will be sending out quite a few e-mails
> at a time, and would rather not have the user have to click yes for every single one.[/color]

Here is an simple workaround:

http://www.contextmagic.com/express-clickyes/

If you have win32all installed, you can even use the programming API
they present to turn on and off the clickyes functionality.

Roger

[Steve Holden]

Re: Fun with Outlook and MAPI

Chris wrote:
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Alas, I dont think that there is much you can do to prevent the
>>> confirmation dialogs with Outlook's MAPI dll. MS added them in a
>>> service pack as an anti-virus measure, so no work-around. Not all
>>> clients show these anoying dialogs though. Thunderbird definately
>>> doesn't.[/color]
>>
>> There is actually a workaround. You're using Simple MAPI which has a
>> nice easy interface. The confirmation dialogs are only for Simple
>> MAPI. Using Extended MAPI can work around the problem but its a lot
>> more tricky.
>> See the initial discussion here:
>> http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Mai...-win32/2160646
>>
>> This code has now been included in pywin32 somehow but I can't
>> remember where and its late. Should also be a cookbook entry. Maybe
>> Google can help :-)[/color]
>
>
> Cool. I'll take a look an' see if I can get it to work. MAPI has
> turned out to be a major PITA. Especially when trying to learn it and
> Python at the same time. :)
>
> Chris[/color]

There's recently been some discussion of this topic on the python-win32
list, most lately to accommodate moving sent messages to the Sent
folder. I've personally sent several hundred messages using the
techniques outlined there.

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/pyt...st/002239.html is
a good starting point.

regards
Steve
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[Chris]

Re: Fun with Outlook and MAPI

>>At the risk of beating a dead horse, but you really should consider[color=blue][color=green]
>>using SMTP instead if you are really going to be sending a lot
>>of messages.[/color]
> The problem is that doesn't work in more complicated configurations
> such as when authentication and/or SSL have to happen, not to mention
> the issue of configuring servers and ports, that users have already
> configured in their mail clients. Additionally when you use MAPI,
> messages that you send also end up in your sent items folder. (I
> also have not had any issue sending lots of messages using MAPI).
>
> Ultimately the utility of vanilla of pure SMTP will depend on
> customer requirements and how simple the configuration is.[/color]

That pretty much sums it up. Also, since everything is done over IMAP
with Outlook, I don't really have access to an SMTP server.

Chris

[Chris]

Re: Fun with Outlook and MAPI

> There is actually a workaround. You're using Simple MAPI which has a[color=blue]
> nice easy interface. The confirmation dialogs are only for Simple MAPI.
> Using Extended MAPI can work around the problem but its a lot more tricky.
> See the initial discussion here:
> http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Mai...-win32/2160646
>
> This code has now been included in pywin32 somehow but I can't remember
> where and its late. Should also be a cookbook entry. Maybe Google can
> help :-)[/color]

Okay, here's the results. The good news is that the code sent the mail
without any popup's. The bad news is that the sent e-mail stays in the
outbox instead of the sent folder. Any suggestions?

Chris

[Steve Holden]

Re: Fun with Outlook and MAPI

Chris wrote:
[color=blue][color=green]
>> There is actually a workaround. You're using Simple MAPI which has a
>> nice easy interface. The confirmation dialogs are only for Simple
>> MAPI. Using Extended MAPI can work around the problem but its a lot
>> more tricky.
>> See the initial discussion here:
>> http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Mai...-win32/2160646
>>
>> This code has now been included in pywin32 somehow but I can't
>> remember where and its late. Should also be a cookbook entry. Maybe
>> Google can help :-)[/color]
>
>
> Okay, here's the results. The good news is that the code sent the mail
> without any popup's. The bad news is that the sent e-mail stays in the
> outbox instead of the sent folder. Any suggestions?
>
> Chris[/color]

Well, only the same one I've already made, which is to look on the
win32all mailing list archives. Since this appears to be beyond you,
here's a note by Chad Stryker commenting on an original work by David
Fraser.

It may give you the clues you need, otherwise Google for the whole
thread(s).

"""Thank you for figuring this extended MAPI interface all out. I
discovered a couple of problems with the code (on my system at least).
First, the message in my outbox was marked as read. Second, the message
would remain in the outbox after it was sent. After several hours of
work, I added three lines to the function that mark the message as
unread and cause the message to be deleted from the outbox after it is sent.

First, I added a constant that I found in the MAPI header file MAPIDefS.h.

CLEAR_READ_FLAG = 4

Next I added two lines just before “outboxfolder.S aveChanges(0)”.

message.SetRead Flag(CLEAR_READ _FLAG)
message.SetProp s([(mapitags.PR_DE LETE_AFTER_SUBM IT,1)])

With these changes, the behavior in the outbox is consistent with
sending messages directly from Outlook.
"""

regards
Steve
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[Chris]

Re: Fun with Outlook and MAPI

>> Okay, here's the results. The good news is that the code sent the[color=blue][color=green]
>> mail without any popup's. The bad news is that the sent e-mail stays
>> in the outbox instead of the sent folder. Any suggestions?[/color]
> Well, only the same one I've already made, which is to look on the
> win32all mailing list archives. Since this appears to be beyond you,
> here's a note by Chad Stryker commenting on an original work by David
> Fraser.
>
> It may give you the clues you need, otherwise Google for the whole
> thread(s).
>
> """Thank you for figuring this extended MAPI interface all out. I
> discovered a couple of problems with the code (on my system at least).
> First, the message in my outbox was marked as read. Second, the message
> would remain in the outbox after it was sent. After several hours of
> work, I added three lines to the function that mark the message as
> unread and cause the message to be deleted from the outbox after it is
> sent.
>
> First, I added a constant that I found in the MAPI header file MAPIDefS.h.
>
> CLEAR_READ_FLAG = 4
>
> Next I added two lines just before “outboxfolder.S aveChanges(0)”.
>
> message.SetRead Flag(CLEAR_READ _FLAG)
> message.SetProp s([(mapitags.PR_DE LETE_AFTER_SUBM IT,1)])
>
> With these changes, the behavior in the outbox is consistent with
> sending messages directly from Outlook.
> """
>
> regards
> Steve[/color]

Actually, I had already found that message. It still doesn't do what
I'm looking for(namely moving sent messages to the Sent folder).

Chris

[Steve Holden]

Re: Fun with Outlook and MAPI

Chris wrote:
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Okay, here's the results. The good news is that the code sent the
>>> mail without any popup's. The bad news is that the sent e-mail stays
>>> in the outbox instead of the sent folder. Any suggestions?[/color]
>>
>> Well, only the same one I've already made, which is to look on the
>> win32all mailing list archives. Since this appears to be beyond you,
>> here's a note by Chad Stryker commenting on an original work by David
>> Fraser.
>>
>> It may give you the clues you need, otherwise Google for the whole
>> thread(s).
>>
>> """Thank you for figuring this extended MAPI interface all out. I
>> discovered a couple of problems with the code (on my system at least).
>> First, the message in my outbox was marked as read. Second, the
>> message would remain in the outbox after it was sent. After several
>> hours of work, I added three lines to the function that mark the
>> message as unread and cause the message to be deleted from the outbox
>> after it is sent.
>>
>> First, I added a constant that I found in the MAPI header file
>> MAPIDefS.h.
>>
>> CLEAR_READ_FLAG = 4
>>
>> Next I added two lines just before “outboxfolder.S aveChanges(0)”.
>>
>> message.SetRead Flag(CLEAR_READ _FLAG)
>> message.SetProp s([(mapitags.PR_DE LETE_AFTER_SUBM IT,1)])
>>
>> With these changes, the behavior in the outbox is consistent with
>> sending messages directly from Outlook.
>> """
>>
>> regards
>> Steve[/color]
>
>
> Actually, I had already found that message. It still doesn't do what
> I'm looking for(namely moving sent messages to the Sent folder).
>
> Chris
>
>[/color]
Well, in that case please excuse my crotchetiness. It's probably the
time of year.

bah-humbug-ly y'rs - steve
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