Dollar sign ($) on foriegn keyboards? (prothon)

[Mark Hahn]

We are considering switching to the dollar sign ($) for self, instead of the
period ( . ) we are using now in Prothon. Ruby uses the at-sign (@) for
self, but our new usage of self also includes replacing the period for some
attribute references, as in obj$func() versus obj.func(), and too many
programs treat that as an email address and screw it up. Also the S in the
symbol $ reminds one of the S in $elf.

Can people from outside the U.S. tell me if typing the dollar sign often
would be a problem in writing code? Is it available and somewhat easy to
type on international keyboards?

[Roel Schroeven]

Re: Dollar sign ($) on foriegn keyboards? (prothon)

Mark Hahn wrote:[color=blue]
> Can people from outside the U.S. tell me if typing the dollar sign often
> would be a problem in writing code? Is it available and somewhat easy to
> type on international keyboards?[/color]

Belgian azerty: no problem. Easier to type, in fact, than several other
symbols that are frequently used while programming, e.g. []{}_.

--
"Codito ergo sum"
Roel Schroeven

[LB]

Re: Dollar sign ($) on foriegn keyboards? (prothon)


"[color=blue]
> Can people from outside the U.S. tell me if typing the dollar sign often
> would be a problem in writing code? Is it available and somewhat easy to
> type on international keyboards?
>[/color]
$ is a shift-key on italian standard keyboard.

LB

[Petter Holmström]

Re: Dollar sign ($) on foriegn keyboards? (prothon)

Mark Hahn wrote:[color=blue]
> Can people from outside the U.S. tell me if typing the dollar sign often
> would be a problem in writing code? Is it available and somewhat easy to
> type on international keyboards?
>[/color]

Finnish/Swedish keyboards: No problems (AltGr + 4)

-Petter-

[Peter Maas]

Re: Dollar sign ($) on foriegn keyboards? (prothon)

LB wrote:[color=blue]
> $ is a shift-key on italian standard keyboard.[/color]

Also on german standard keyboard.

Mit freundlichen Gruessen,

Peter Maas

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[Hans-Peter Schroecker]

Re: Dollar sign ($) on foriegn keyboards? (prothon)

On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:04:35 +0200, Peter Maas <peter.maas@mpl usr.de> wrote:[color=blue]
> LB wrote:[color=green]
>> $ is a shift-key on italian standard keyboard.[/color]
>
> Also on german standard keyboard.[/color]

Just as on the Japanese notebook in front of me.

Hans-Peter Schröcker

[Peter Otten]

Re: Dollar sign ($) on foriegn keyboards? (prothon)

Mark Hahn wrote:
[color=blue]
> We are considering switching to the dollar sign ($) for self, instead of
> the
> period ( . ) we are using now in Prothon. Ruby uses the at-sign (@) for
> self, but our new usage of self also includes replacing the period for
> some attribute references, as in obj$func() versus obj.func(), and too
> many
> programs treat that as an email address and screw it up. Also the S in
> the symbol $ reminds one of the S in $elf.
>
> Can people from outside the U.S. tell me if typing the dollar sign often
> would be a problem in writing code? Is it available and somewhat easy to
> type on international keyboards?[/color]

In Germany every serious programmer has to switch to the American layout
anyway because of {}[]@\~| (all odd AltGr combinations). As this is no
problem on Windows and Linux(KDE) (how about the Mac?), I recommend against
making special character choices based on keyboard layout.

Apart from that obj$func() hurts my eye more than obj->func() and
obj!func(). As always, Python shines here with its obj.func() :-)

Peter

[Joe Mason]

Re: Dollar sign ($) on foriegn keyboards? (prothon)

In article <c62m70$2hu$06$ 1@news.t-online.com>, Peter Otten wrote:[color=blue]
> Mark Hahn wrote:
>[color=green]
>> We are considering switching to the dollar sign ($) for self, instead of
>> the
>> period ( . ) we are using now in Prothon. Ruby uses the at-sign (@) for[/color][/color]

<snip>
[color=blue]
> Apart from that obj$func() hurts my eye more than obj->func() and
> obj!func(). As always, Python shines here with its obj.func() :-)[/color]

I believe the suggestion is "$.func()" instead of "self.func( )" (the
Python way) or just ".func()" (the earlier Prothon way). Or possibly
the suggestion is for "$func()", although I like $.func() much better.

(I like this better than the ., though I still have no problem with
writing self all the time, so I prefer sticking to the Python way. It
solves my main problem with ., which is when you do have to pass self
explicitly. "function_call( param1, ., parm2)" is much more confusing
than "function_call( param1, $, param2)".)

Joe

[Hugh Macdonald]

Re: Dollar sign ($) on foriegn keyboards? (prothon)

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 23:22:10 -0700
"Mark Hahn" <mark@prothon.o rg> wrote:
[color=blue]
> Can people from outside the U.S. tell me if typing the dollar sign
> often would be a problem in writing code? Is it available and
> somewhat easy to type on international[/color]

Anyone who writes a language like Perl or PHP would use it a lot anyway (all variables start with a symbol, usually $)

--
Hugh Macdonald
The Moving Picture Company

[Peter Otten]

Re: Dollar sign ($) on foriegn keyboards? (prothon)

Joe Mason wrote:
[color=blue]
> In article <c62m70$2hu$06$ 1@news.t-online.com>, Peter Otten wrote:[color=green]
>> Mark Hahn wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> We are considering switching to the dollar sign ($) for self, instead of
>>> the
>>> period ( . ) we are using now in Prothon. Ruby uses the at-sign (@) for[/color][/color]
>
> <snip>
>[color=green]
>> Apart from that obj$func() hurts my eye more than obj->func() and
>> obj!func(). As always, Python shines here with its obj.func() :-)[/color]
>
> I believe the suggestion is "$.func()" instead of "self.func( )" (the
> Python way) or just ".func()" (the earlier Prothon way). Or possibly
> the suggestion is for "$func()", although I like $.func() much better.[/color]

I skimmed too lightly over the first paragraph and missed that - but still
there is the obj$func() example in Mark's post, and with my Python mindset
(I didn't follow the Prothon discussion closely) I cannot figure out what
that is supposed to mean.
[color=blue]
> (I like this better than the ., though I still have no problem with
> writing self all the time, so I prefer sticking to the Python way. It
> solves my main problem with ., which is when you do have to pass self
> explicitly. "function_call( param1, ., parm2)" is much more confusing
> than "function_call( param1, $, param2)".)[/color]

[OT] Seems to happen all the time with Python - try to simplify at some
point and you pay twice elsewhere. Prothon will have a hard time occupying
a local optimum in beauty/simplicity/usefulness that is both near and
better than Python. This starts with the name, by the way - it evokes the
association of prothotype, which looks quite, er, ungreek :-)

Peter

[srijit@yahoo.com]

Re: Dollar sign ($) on foriegn keyboards? (prothon)

Hello Mark,
IMO typing dollar($) sign should not be a problem in Sweden and Germany.

Regards,
Srijit

"Mark Hahn" <mark@prothon.o rg> wrote in message news:<mk3hc.138 95$dZ1.10823@fe d1read04>...[color=blue]
> We are considering switching to the dollar sign ($) for self, instead of the
> period ( . ) we are using now in Prothon. Ruby uses the at-sign (@) for
> self, but our new usage of self also includes replacing the period for some
> attribute references, as in obj$func() versus obj.func(), and too many
> programs treat that as an email address and screw it up. Also the S in the
> symbol $ reminds one of the S in $elf.
>
> Can people from outside the U.S. tell me if typing the dollar sign often
> would be a problem in writing code? Is it available and somewhat easy to
> type on international keyboards?[/color]

[Peter Maas]

Re: Dollar sign ($) on foriegn keyboards? (prothon)

Peter Otten wrote:[color=blue]
> In Germany every serious programmer has to switch to the American
> layout anyway because of {}[]@\~| (all odd AltGr combinations).[/color]

Oh, I didn't know that. Fortunately I'm not a serious programmer. ;)

Mit freundlichen Gruessen,

Peter Maas

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[Adriano Varoli Piazza]

Re: Dollar sign ($) on foriegn keyboards? (prothon)

El Mar 20 Abr 2004 03:22, Mark Hahn escribió:[color=blue]
> We are considering switching to the dollar sign ($) for self, instead
> of the period ( . ) we are using now in Prothon. Ruby uses the
> at-sign (@) for self, but our new usage of self also includes
> replacing the period for some attribute references, as in obj$func()
> versus obj.func(), and too many programs treat that as an email
> address and screw it up. Also the S in the symbol $ reminds one of
> the S in $elf.
>
> Can people from outside the U.S. tell me if typing the dollar sign
> often would be a problem in writing code? Is it available and
> somewhat easy to type on international keyboards?[/color]

Spanish and Latin American QUERTY keyboards: Shift + 4.
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[Peter Otten]

[OT] Keyboard layout, was Re: Dollar sign ($) on foriegn keyboards? (prothon)

Peter Maas wrote:
[color=blue]
> Peter Otten wrote:[color=green]
>> In Germany every serious programmer has to switch to the American
> > layout anyway because of {}[]@\~| (all odd AltGr combinations).[/color]
>
> Oh, I didn't know that. Fortunately I'm not a serious programmer. ;)[/color]

I hate people being apodictic - even myself.
But I never felt comfortable with AltGr, so it was a great relief when I
learned about switching kezboard lazouts and well worth the occasional y-z
glitch. By the way, I once came across a whole book that had these
characters swapped.

Maybe my fingers just didn't grow in the right place to press AltGr+9
simultaneously, but somehow I can't see how that makes me the member of a
minority.

Mit freundlichen Gr[-en :-)

Peter

[Des Small]

Re: Dollar sign ($) on foriegn keyboards? (prothon)

"Mark Hahn" <mark@prothon.o rg> writes:
[color=blue]
> Can people from outside the U.S. tell me if typing the dollar sign often
> would be a problem in writing code? Is it available and somewhat easy to
> type on international keyboards?[/color]

The dollar sign is used in extensively in Unix shells and Perl, which
are both widely used (Perl also on Windows). It seems unlikely that
any keyboard with a latin alphabet wouldn't include it.

Des
types in a wide variety of dollar-equipped iso encodings.
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