Ruby like syntactic sugar

[F Jamitzky]

It is rather easy to define functions in python that mimic the special
ruby syntactic sugar like:

5.times { print "Hello World!" }

or

[toast, cheese, wine].each { |food| eat food }

In python these fragments can be written as:

5 *times(lambda: printf("Hello World!") )

or

[toast, cheese, wine] *each (lambda food: eat(food) )

by defining a Times class like that:

class Times:
def __rmul__(self,n ):
for i in range(n):
self.func()
def __call__(self,f unc):
self.func=func
return self
times=Times()

Was this intended as a language feature or is this style an
"unpythonic "
missuse of the syntax ? I like the way of writing loops and list
comprehensions that way, but I think there will be an outcry of some
people. What do you guys think about extensions like that ?

cheers
Ferdinand

[Riccardo Galli]

Re: Ruby like syntactic sugar

On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 13:26:17 -0800, F Jamitzky wrote:

[snip][color=blue]
> In python these fragments can be written as:
>
> 5 *times(lambda: printf("Hello World!") )[/color]
[...]

printf ? a bit c-style, isn't it?
may be did you want to write sys.stdout.writ e instead?

Ciao,
Riccardo


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Riccardo Galli
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[A.M. Kuchling]

Re: Ruby like syntactic sugar

On 2 Mar 2004 13:26:17 -0800,
F Jamitzky <fxj@mpe.mpg.de > wrote:[color=blue]
> 5 *times(lambda: printf("Hello World!") )
> or
> [toast, cheese, wine] *each (lambda food: eat(food) )[/color]

These formulations are no improvement over the obvious code:

for i in range(5):
print 'Hello world!'

or

for food in [toast, cheese, wine]:
eat(food)

It's certainly possible to use Python language features to get Ruby-like
code, but this code isn't as clear, so why bother?

--amk

[Wayne Folta]

Re: Ruby like syntactic sugar

It seems your solution could be the basis for rubyesque Python. (Do you
have it backwards regarding Ruby, though? Isn't 5.times the way a loop
is done and the for-loop-looking construct is the syntactic sugar?)

But on a personal note, I'd add that the
[color=blue]
> 5.times { print "Hello World!" }[/color]

syntax is the idiom that persuaded me Ruby is not for me. In my
opinion, this construct is either too clever by half or it's too
Smalltalkish (everything must be classed). It makes some sense when
spoken, but I fail to see how a looping method belongs to the class of
numbers, so it troubles me too much to use or to enjoy a language where
this is natural.

[David MacQuigg]

Re: Ruby like syntactic sugar

On 2 Mar 2004 13:26:17 -0800, fxj@mpe.mpg.de (F Jamitzky) wrote:
[color=blue]
>It is rather easy to define functions in python that mimic the special
>ruby syntactic sugar like:
>
>5.times { print "Hello World!" }
>
>or
>
>[toast, cheese, wine].each { |food| eat food }
>
>In python these fragments can be written as:
>
>5 *times(lambda: printf("Hello World!") )[/color]

What is wrong with:
for n in range(5): print("Hello World!")
It doesn't require definition of a new class, and it uses a syntax
everyone past Chapter 1 in Python will find familiar.

There are a few things in Ruby I would like to see in Python. See the
Working with Strings example at
http://userlinux.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?RubyPython but in general, I'm
finding the "syntactic sugar" of Ruby is almost all personal
preference ( -1942.abs vs abs(-1942) ). I have yet to see an example
of Ruby code blocks that is fundamentally better than the equivalent
in Python.

-- Dave
[color=blue]
>or
>
>[toast, cheese, wine] *each (lambda food: eat(food) )
>
>by defining a Times class like that:
>
>class Times:
> def __rmul__(self,n ):
> for i in range(n):
> self.func()
> def __call__(self,f unc):
> self.func=func
> return self
>times=Times( )
>
>Was this intended as a language feature or is this style an
>"unpythonic "
>missuse of the syntax ? I like the way of writing loops and list
>comprehensio ns that way, but I think there will be an outcry of some
>people. What do you guys think about extensions like that ?
>
>cheers
>Ferdinand[/color]

[Terry Reedy]

Re: Ruby like syntactic sugar


"F Jamitzky" <fxj@mpe.mpg.de > wrote in message
news:5349af3f.0 403021326.ed19d 8c@posting.goog le.com...[color=blue]
> Was this intended as a language feature or is this style an
> "unpythonic "[/color]

It is intentional that Python give you the flexibility to do things the
developers never imagined and that most users think a bit wierd or 'over
the top'. Playing with things like this is one way to learn, and probably
more fun than some.

Terry J. Reedy