Rekall and associated software go 100% GPL

**Tim Churches** · Jul 18 '05, 05:07 AM

Re: Rekall and associated software go 100% GPL

On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 06:59, John Dean wrote:[color=blue]
> Hi
>
> It gives me great pleasure to inform you that Rekall, the cross-platform
> alternative to MS Access, is now totally GPL. So please visit
> http://www.totalrekall.co.uk and download download a copy for yourself. [/color]

This is most welcome news, but in the light of the recent, often
confusing (or confused) discussion on this list over Rekall and the
Kompany, could Shawn Gordon please comment on this announcement?

--

Tim C

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**Peter Hansen** · Jul 18 '05, 05:07 AM

Re: Rekall and associated software go 100% GPL

Tim Churches wrote:[color=blue]
>
> On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 06:59, John Dean wrote:[color=green]
> > It gives me great pleasure to inform you that Rekall, the cross-platform
> > alternative to MS Access, is now totally GPL. So please visit
> > http://www.totalrekall.co.uk and download download a copy for yourself.[/color]
>
> This is most welcome news, but in the light of the recent, often
> confusing (or confused) discussion on this list over Rekall and the
> Kompany, could Shawn Gordon please comment on this announcement?[/color]

When asking one party in a legal dispute to comment on public
announcements made by the other party, what exactly do you really
expect to learn?

-Peter

**Tim Churches** · Jul 18 '05, 05:07 AM

Re: Rekall and associated software go 100% GPL

On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 07:53, John Dean wrote:[color=blue]
> On Sunday 09 November 2003 20:42, you wrote:[color=green]
> > On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 06:59, John Dean wrote:[color=darkred]
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > It gives me great pleasure to inform you that Rekall, the cross-platform
> > > alternative to MS Access, is now totally GPL. So please visit
> > > http://www.totalrekall.co.uk and download download a copy for yourself.[/color]
> >
> > This is most welcome news, but in the light of the recent, often
> > confusing (or confused) discussion on this list over Rekall and the
> > Kompany, could Shawn Gordon please comment on this announcement?[/color]
>
> This has nothing to do with Shawn or TKC.
> Mike Richardson will be making a joint statement shortly which Shawn has
> agreed to put his name to.[/color]

I beg to differ, given that Rekall was (or still is) being sold by the
Kompany, which tends to imply ownership of the intellectual property
associated with Rekall, or at least some sort of licensing arrangement
with its owners. Hence, it does have a lot to do with the Kompany, and
we would-be Rekall users look forward to a communication from the
president of the Kompany on this matter.
--

Tim C

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**Jim** · Jul 18 '05, 05:07 AM

Re: Rekall and associated software go 100% GPL

Hello,

I just downloaded the Win32 version (Rekall V2.1.0 Full for Windows ) and it's telling me it's a
demo. I did not download the demo version.

How do I fix this?

Thanks

On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 19:59:28 GMT, "John Dean" <john@rygannon. com> wrotf:
[color=blue]
>Hi
>
>It gives me great pleasure to inform you that Rekall, the cross-platform
>alternative to MS Access, is now totally GPL. So please visit
>http://www.totalrekall.co.uk and download download a copy for yourself. In
>order for you to be able to download you must register with the Total Rekall
>Portal. The reason we have have made this a requirement is because we would
>like to be able to notify everybody when a new version becomes available. We
>are presently working on V2.2.0 and I am sure you would not like to miss
>out.
>
>You should also be aware that in order for for us to continue the future
>development of Rekall we will have to charge for technical support,
>customisatio n, training and consulting, therefore, now that we have gone
>wholly GPL, you will have to take out a technical support subscription. I
>will post information relating to support levels and pricing once we worked
>out the detail. In the meantime may I suggest that you sign up to our
>mailing list. Instructions can be found at the bottom of the home page.[/color]

**GrayGeek** · Jul 18 '05, 05:27 AM

Re: Rekall and associated software go 100% GPL

John Dean wrote:
[color=blue]
> Hi
>
> It gives me great pleasure to inform you that Rekall, the cross-platform
> alternative to MS Access, is now totally GPL. So please visit
> http://www.totalrekall.co.uk and download download a copy for yourself. In
> order for you to be able to download you must register with the Total
> Rekall Portal. The reason we have have made this a requirement is because
> we would like to be able to notify everybody when a new version becomes
> available. We are presently working on V2.2.0 and I am sure you would not
> like to miss out.
>
> You should also be aware that in order for for us to continue the future
> development of Rekall we will have to charge for technical support,
> customisation, training and consulting, therefore, now that we have gone
> wholly GPL, you will have to take out a technical support subscription. I
> will post information relating to support levels and pricing once we
> worked out the detail. In the meantime may I suggest that you sign up to
> our mailing list. Instructions can be found at the bottom of the home
> page.
>[/color]

mmm, either the registration process is overloaded, or it is not
functioning. After registering I failed to receive the confirmatory email.
(Yes, my data was correct).
Anyone else notice this?
I see that all the previous msgs are on the 9th, but none after that.
--

-
GrayGeek

**Jim** · Jul 18 '05, 05:28 AM

Re: Rekall and associated software go 100% GPL

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:25:57 GMT, GrayGeek <jkrepsBEAR@FIS Hneb.rr.com> wrotf:
[color=blue]
>John Dean wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Hi
>>
>> It gives me great pleasure to inform you that Rekall, the cross-platform
>> alternative to MS Access, is now totally GPL. So please visit
>> http://www.totalrekall.co.uk and download download a copy for yourself. In
>> order for you to be able to download you must register with the Total
>> Rekall Portal. The reason we have have made this a requirement is because
>> we would like to be able to notify everybody when a new version becomes
>> available. We are presently working on V2.2.0 and I am sure you would not
>> like to miss out.
>>
>> You should also be aware that in order for for us to continue the future
>> development of Rekall we will have to charge for technical support,
>> customisation, training and consulting, therefore, now that we have gone
>> wholly GPL, you will have to take out a technical support subscription. I
>> will post information relating to support levels and pricing once we
>> worked out the detail. In the meantime may I suggest that you sign up to
>> our mailing list. Instructions can be found at the bottom of the home
>> page.
>>[/color]
>
>mmm, either the registration process is overloaded, or it is not
>functioning. After registering I failed to receive the confirmatory email.
>(Yes, my data was correct).
>Anyone else notice this?
>I see that all the previous msgs are on the 9th, but none after that.[/color]

All I got was a demo version after registering. Also, there are some dead links on their page I
reported that haven't been fixed. Something isn't right here.

**GrayGeek** · Jul 18 '05, 05:28 AM

Re: Rekall and associated software go 100% GPL

Jim wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:25:57 GMT, GrayGeek <jkrepsBEAR@FIS Hneb.rr.com>
> wrotf:
>[color=green]
>>John Dean wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> It gives me great pleasure to inform you that Rekall, the cross-platform
>>> alternative to MS Access, is now totally GPL. So please visit
>>> http://www.totalrekall.co.uk and download download a copy for yourself.
>>> In order for you to be able to download you must register with the Total
>>> Rekall Portal. The reason we have have made this a requirement is
>>> because we would like to be able to notify everybody when a new version
>>> becomes available. We are presently working on V2.2.0 and I am sure you
>>> would not like to miss out.
>>>
>>> You should also be aware that in order for for us to continue the future
>>> development of Rekall we will have to charge for technical support,
>>> customisation, training and consulting, therefore, now that we have gone
>>> wholly GPL, you will have to take out a technical support subscription.
>>> I will post information relating to support levels and pricing once we
>>> worked out the detail. In the meantime may I suggest that you sign up to
>>> our mailing list. Instructions can be found at the bottom of the home
>>> page.
>>>[/color]
>>
>>mmm, either the registration process is overloaded, or it is not
>>functioning . After registering I failed to receive the confirmatory
>>email. (Yes, my data was correct).
>>Anyone else notice this?
>>I see that all the previous msgs are on the 9th, but none after that.[/color]
>
> All I got was a demo version after registering. Also, there are some dead
> links on their page I reported that haven't been fixed. Something isn't
> right here.[/color]

It apparently is getting worse. The original site containing the links to
download the 'GPL' software disconnected from me in the middle of trying to
download Rekall for Mandrake 9.1 after I had registered. When I attempted
to reconnect to http://www.totalrekall.co.uk I was redirected to
http://www.rekall.a-i-s.co.uk/ which is totally devoid of download links.
If I were to hazard a guess it would be that theKompany has shut Dean down.
???
Before the new redirect was established I was getting a "can't connect to
".....theKompan y.comrelease". The theKompany URL to rygannon.com gave:
"An error occured while loading http://www.rygannon.com:
Unknown host www.rekall.a-i-s.co.ukindex.ph p"

So the battle must be raging on... ???

--

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GrayGeek

**GrayGeek** · Jul 18 '05, 05:28 AM

Re: Rekall and associated software go 100% GPL

Jim wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:25:57 GMT, GrayGeek <jkrepsBEAR@FIS Hneb.rr.com>
> wrotf:
>[color=green]
>>John Dean wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> It gives me great pleasure to inform you that Rekall, the cross-platform
>>> alternative to MS Access, is now totally GPL. So please visit
>>> http://www.totalrekall.co.uk and download download a copy for yourself.
>>> In order for you to be able to download you must register with the Total
>>> Rekall Portal. The reason we have have made this a requirement is
>>> because we would like to be able to notify everybody when a new version
>>> becomes available. We are presently working on V2.2.0 and I am sure you
>>> would not like to miss out.
>>>
>>> You should also be aware that in order for for us to continue the future
>>> development of Rekall we will have to charge for technical support,
>>> customisation, training and consulting, therefore, now that we have gone
>>> wholly GPL, you will have to take out a technical support subscription.
>>> I will post information relating to support levels and pricing once we
>>> worked out the detail. In the meantime may I suggest that you sign up to
>>> our mailing list. Instructions can be found at the bottom of the home
>>> page.
>>>[/color]
>>
>>mmm, either the registration process is overloaded, or it is not
>>functioning . After registering I failed to receive the confirmatory
>>email. (Yes, my data was correct).
>>Anyone else notice this?
>>I see that all the previous msgs are on the 9th, but none after that.[/color]
>
> All I got was a demo version after registering. Also, there are some dead
> links on their page I reported that haven't been fixed. Something isn't
> right here.[/color]

I saw a message on the general forum (before the site disappeared) by a user
called 'Avi' who asked the same question. BadJake (sysadmin) staid that
there should be a library "...rekall. so'. Avi checked and said the library
was there but named "...rekall. .so" (I am using ... to represent the parts
of the name that I don't remember). Avi created link to "...rekall. .so"
using "...rekall. so" and the demo notice went away.

--

-
GrayGeek

**John Dean** · Jul 18 '05, 05:38 AM

Re: Rekall and associated software go 100% GPL

On 10-Nov-2003, Ben Finney <bignose-hates-spam@and-benfinney-does-too.id.au>
wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 19:59:28 GMT, John Dean wrote:[color=green]
> > It gives me great pleasure to inform you that Rekall, the
> > cross-platform alternative to MS Access, is now totally GPL.[/color]
>
> Like others have stated, I'm waiting to see if the other parties with
> copyright interest in Rekall (i.e. TheKompany) agree to the release of
> code under the GPL.[/color]

TheKompany should be making an announcement on NewForge/Slashdot tomorrow,
17th Nov.
[color=blue]
>[color=green]
> > In order for you to be able to download you must register with the
> > Total Rekall Portal.[/color]
>
> Or, wait for someone who has already downloaded it to redistribute
> without this requirement, since the GPL permits this.[/color]

This is quite true
[color=blue]
>[color=green]
> > The reason we have have made this a requirement is because we would
> > like to be able to notify everybody when a new version becomes
> > available.[/color]
>
> Surely it would be sufficient to encourage (*not* require) users to
> subscribe to a rekall-anounce mailing list?[/color]

There isn't a rekall-anounce mailing list and since very few people sign up
to mailing lists in the first place, I have chosen to do it this way
[color=blue]
>[color=green]
> > You should also be aware that in order for for us to continue the
> > future development of Rekall we will have to charge for technical
> > support, customisation, training and consulting, therefore, now that
> > we have gone wholly GPL, you will have to take out a technical support
> > subscription.[/color]
>
> Sounds like a fine way to fund development and infrastructure.[/color]

We have to make a living. Now you wouldn't begrudge that, would you. Besides
nobody is compelling you to take out a subscripion, are they. We could
always revert back to the commercial license, if you would prefer.

--
Best Regards
John

**Ben Finney** · Jul 18 '05, 05:38 AM

Re: Rekall and associated software go 100% GPL

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:41:26 GMT, John Dean wrote:[color=blue]
> On 10-Nov-2003, Ben Finney wrote:[color=green]
>> Like others have stated, I'm waiting to see if the other parties with
>> copyright interest in Rekall (i.e. TheKompany) agree to the release
>> of code under the GPL.[/color]
>
> TheKompany should be making an announcement on NewForge/Slashdot
> tomorrow, 17th Nov.[/color]

Thanks, I'll look for it with interest.
[color=blue]
> There isn't a rekall-anounce mailing list[/color]

Nothing prevents you starting one. This would be a useful service, *to
those who want it*, rather than requiring everyone who gets the code
from you to also be on such a list.
[color=blue]
> and since very few people sign up to mailing lists in the first place,
> I have chosen to do it this way[/color]

So long as you're not making requirements contrary to the GPL on the
code, you can choose to release it however you like. Once people have
it, they can do with it whatever they like in compliance with the GPL.

[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>> > You should also be aware that in order for for us to continue the
>> > future development of Rekall we will have to charge for technical
>> > support, customisation, training and consulting, therefore, now
>> > that we have gone wholly GPL, you will have to take out a technical
>> > support subscription.[/color]
>>
>> Sounds like a fine way to fund development and infrastructure.[/color]
>
> We have to make a living. Now you wouldn't begrudge that, would you.[/color]

I begrudge no-one the right to make a living, so long as they don't do
it by restricting others. Your proposed methods in the above paragraph
sound like a fine way to fund free software development and
infrastructure, which is why I said so.
[color=blue]
> Besides nobody is compelling you to take out a subscripion, are they.
> We could always revert back to the commercial license, if you would
> prefer.[/color]

I'm not sure why you are addressing an attitude I've not expressed.
Perhaps you thought I was being sarcastic -- always a dubious
proposition in a text-only medium.

I truly do think that charging money for services that add value without
requiring artificial restriction -- support, customisation, training,
consulting -- are fine ways to fund free software. I hope it works out
well.

--
\ "You can be a victor without having victims." -- Harriet Woods |
`\ |
_o__) |
Ben Finney <http://bignose.squidly .org/>

**Scott Ellsworth** · Jul 18 '05, 06:16 AM

Re: Rekall and associated software go 100% GPL

In article <3fb7eed4$0$126 93$fa0fcedb@lov ejoy.zen.co.uk> ,
"John Dean" <john@rygannon. com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> On 10-Nov-2003, Ben Finney <bignose-hates-spam@and-benfinney-does-too.id.au>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
> > On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 19:59:28 GMT, John Dean wrote:[color=darkred]
> > > You should also be aware that in order for for us to continue the
> > > future development of Rekall we will have to charge for technical
> > > support, customisation, training and consulting, therefore, now that
> > > we have gone wholly GPL, you will have to take out a technical support
> > > subscription.[/color]
> >
> > Sounds like a fine way to fund development and infrastructure.[/color]
>
> We have to make a living. Now you wouldn't begrudge that, would you. Besides
> nobody is compelling you to take out a subscripion, are they. We could
> always revert back to the commercial license, if you would prefer.[/color]

Out of curiosity, has this change in focus made the MacOS X port more
likely or less?

I have emails from some months back about it happening, but slowly.
Given that this is the platform of choice for the decision makers at one
of my clients, this is going to be a neccesary, if not sufficient,
condition for them to adopt the software.

Scott
scott@alodar.co m
Java, Cocoa, WebObjects and Database consulting
(I do speak Python, but not well enough to sell services in it.)

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