approx 100 assorted computer/ math/other books

[Stephan Eggermont]

Re: approx 100 assorted computer/ math/other books

In comp.lang.java. programmer Roedy Green <roedy@seewebsi te.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> I would like to make a different request. Make sure you say something
> original within the first 15 lines of a post. I get quite annoyed
> with folk who DON'T top post, quote 3 pages that I have already read,
> and then add one silly wisecrack.
>
> STOP QUOTING SO FUCKING MUCH. READING SOMETHING ONCE IS ENOUGH!![/color]

You might benefit from the following observation:
if you have to scroll to see original text, you can safely
ignore the post, as it won't be interesting.

Stephan

[Mark McIntyre]

Re: approx 100 assorted computer/ math/other books

On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:40:45 GMT, in comp.lang.c , Roedy Green
<roedy@seewebsi te.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:52:03 +0100, Mark McIntyre
><markmcintyre@ spamcop.net> wrote or quoted :
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>The blast is against those who complain about top posting. Top posting
>>>is GOOD on one respect.[/color]
>>
>>Its evil. Period.[/color]
>
>I disagree. I would say it is very rare that I actually read rather
>than skip over quoted material. It is just a nuisance.[/color]

And yet you retained my posting, since it added useful context. Hmm?
[color=blue]
>If people get
>to the point right away they save me time.[/color]

Then like I say, they can snip the entire previous post. I tend to
ignore contextless posts in technical groups tho, as they're typically
unreadable.
[color=blue]
>If I need to refresh
>myself on the quoted material I can look it up myself.[/color]

Where? Google? Get real. Presumably you don't read very many posts a
day, or else have an eidetic memory.
[color=blue]
>I think it is a superior system, but I don't use it myself because it
>gets people too angry. Perhaps a compromise would be to simply label
>a top post with something like "quotes follow" or "top posted" to let
>you know where to find context if you need it.[/color]

in the bitbucket I'm afraid,along with the rest of any post with that
attitude. Anyone who can't post properly probably can't string
coherent thought together anyway.
[color=blue]
>Who gets annoyed by what may have to do with the features of
>newsreader . Agent does not have a single key "jump to the meat"[/color]

spacebar

By the way, which of the frenzied spam of groups are you reading this
in ?
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[Roedy Green]

Re: approx 100 assorted computer/ math/other books

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:44:57 +0100, Mark McIntyre
<markmcintyre@s pamcop.net> wrote or quoted :
[color=blue][color=green]
>>If I need to refresh
>>myself on the quoted material I can look it up myself.[/color]
>
>Where? Google? Get real. Presumably you don't read very many posts a
>day, or else have an eidetic memory.[/color]

In Agent. I can retrace threads at a click. They are mapped out like a
tree.

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Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
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[Roedy Green]

Re: approx 100 assorted computer/ math/other books

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:40:03 +0000 (UTC), Stephan Eggermont
<stephan@stack. nl> wrote or quoted :
[color=blue]
>You might benefit from the following observation:
>if you have to scroll to see original text, you can safely
>ignore the post, as it won't be interesting.[/color]

Infuriatingly, it is not always true. Some intelligent people
APOLOGIZE for snipping even a comma from the entire previous
discussion. Somebody must have taught them you are supposed to quote
EVERYTHING.


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Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.

[Joona I Palaste]

Re: approx 100 assorted computer/ math/other books

Roedy Green <roedy@seewebsi te.com> scribbled the following
on comp.lang.c:[color=blue]
> On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:40:03 +0000 (UTC), Stephan Eggermont
> <stephan@stack. nl> wrote or quoted :[color=green]
>>You might benefit from the following observation:
>>if you have to scroll to see original text, you can safely
>>ignore the post, as it won't be interesting.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> Infuriatingly, it is not always true. Some intelligent people
> APOLOGIZE for snipping even a comma from the entire previous
> discussion. Somebody must have taught them you are supposed to quote
> EVERYTHING.[/color]

At the very least, people should snip out signatures, barring the case
when they have an actual comment on the signature itself. Such as mine.
The quote came from Mika P. Nieminen, my former boss, who was commenting
a roast sausage.

--
/-- Joona Palaste (palaste@cc.hel sinki.fi) ------------- Finland --------\
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- Mika P. Nieminen

[Thomas Stegen]

Re: approx 100 assorted computer/ math/other books

Roedy Green wrote:[color=blue]
>
> The blast is against those who complain about top posting. Top posting
> is GOOD on one respect. It is at least is a step in the right
> direction away from forcing people to read stuff they have seen many
> times before -- especially those folk who quote with nests 10 posts
> deep.[/color]

Top posting is never good. Just delete all the text in
the previous post if you do not have the need to include
some more specific context.

It is not that hard.

--
Thomas.

[Arthur J. O'Dwyer]

Re: approx 100 assorted computer/ math/other books


[snipped c.l.s crosspost]

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Thomas Stegen wrote:[color=blue]
>
> Top posting is never good. Just delete all the text in
> the previous post if you do not have the need to include
> some more specific context.[/color]

And if you do not feel the need to include any specific
context in your post, consider starting a new thread.


DO NOT DO THIS:

[Subject: Re: Eve's methods]

Alice wrote on Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 10:30:54.2,
in message <Alice48$si83@f oobar.net>, while birds sang
overhead and various creatures frolicked in the treetops:[color=blue]
>
> Your methods are flawed.
>
> -Alice
> --
> Share and enjoy.
>[/color]

I like cheese.

-Bob


DON'T EVEN DO THIS, ALTHOUGH IT'S BETTER:

[Subject: Re: Eve's methods]

I like cheese.

-Bob


JUST DO THIS:

[Subject: I like cheese!]

I like cheese.

-Bob


Oh, and another thing. Don't crosspost to five different
groups. That's just ridiculous. (And yes, I know in this
case it's due to a spammer. But just in general, don't.)

-Arthur

[Mark McIntyre]

Re: approx 100 assorted computer/ math/other books

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:35:04 GMT, in comp.lang.c , Roedy Green
<roedy@seewebsi te.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:44:57 +0100, Mark McIntyre
><markmcintyre@ spamcop.net> wrote or quoted :
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>If I need to refresh
>>>myself on the quoted material I can look it up myself.[/color]
>>
>>Where? Google? Get real. Presumably you don't read very many posts a
>>day, or else have an eidetic memory.[/color]
>
>In Agent. I can retrace threads at a click. They are mapped out like a
>tree.[/color]

Only if your server stores them all, and you don't purge your
database.
Do you imagine that everyone has that luxury? So we should all conform
to your requirement?

And why are you posting this to so many groups? I've no clue where
you're posting from. I'm in CLC, where top posting is heavily frowned
upon. Maybe the python guys don't care - if so, remove CLC from your
crosspost.

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[CBFalconer]

Re: approx 100 assorted computer/ math/other books

Roedy Green wrote:[color=blue]
> <markmcintyre@s pamcop.net> wrote or quoted :
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> >> If I need to refresh
> >> myself on the quoted material I can look it up myself.[/color]
> >
> > Where? Google? Get real. Presumably you don't read very many
> > posts a day, or else have an eidetic memory.[/color]
>
> In Agent. I can retrace threads at a click. They are mapped
> out like a tree.[/color]

Then you either are downloading and retaining all messages
yourself, or your ISP maintains an indefinite history of each
group (which I doubt). Sooner or later one of you is going to run
out of storage. It's something like using oil to run guzzling
SUVs.

--
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[jeffc]

Re: approx 100 assorted computer/ math/other books


"Arthur J. O'Dwyer" <ajo@nospam.and rew.cmu.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4 .58-035.03102316313 50.14149@unix49 .andrew.cmu.edu ...[color=blue]
>
> DO NOT DO THIS:
>
> [Subject: Re: Eve's methods]
>
> Alice wrote on Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 10:30:54.2,
> in message <Alice48$si83@f oobar.net>, while birds sang
> overhead and various creatures frolicked in the treetops:[color=green]
> >
> > Your methods are flawed.
> >
> > -Alice
> > --
> > Share and enjoy.
> >[/color]
>
> I like cheese.[/color]

Have you been to France? They have good cheese. Actually they are more
famous for their wine. What kind of wine do you like?

[jeffc]

Re: approx 100 assorted computer/ math/other books


"Roedy Green" <roedy@seewebsi te.com> wrote in message
news:qr7gpv02rc snjnuo3f4dnpobn rbdoanq1b@4ax.c om...[color=blue]
> Infuriatingly, it is not always true. Some intelligent people
> APOLOGIZE for snipping even a comma from the entire previous
> discussion. Somebody must have taught them you are supposed to quote
> EVERYTHING.[/color]

Yes, they learned in school or somewhere that you should plagiarize, and
should "quote all sources". They think if they snip a little something,
they're "cheating".
<snicker>