Python ISPs

**Ulrich Petri** · Jul 18 '05, 02:43 AM

Re: Python ISPs

"Paradox" <JoeyTaj@netzer o.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:924a9f9c.0 309181224.374a5 bef@posting.goo gle.com...[color=blue]
> Does anyone know of some ISPs that have Mod_Python installed. Most
> seem to allow Python CGI but not things like Mod_Python or Spyce. Is
> this a viable solution or should I just learn PHP. I would prefer to
> leverage my Python knowledge but I also would like a fast robust
> solution.[/color]

You could go for one of those virtual servers all for yourself...

Ciao Ulrich

**M-a-S** · Jul 18 '05, 02:43 AM

Re: Python ISPs

It seems that Spyce uses underlaying Python, either CGI or mod_python.
I have only CGI Python (Windows XP, Apache) and Spyce works quite well.

PS. I know, this doesn't answer your question. Just clarification.

M-a-S

"Paradox" <JoeyTaj@netzer o.com> wrote in message news:924a9f9c.0 309181224.374a5 bef@posting.goo gle.com...[color=blue]
> Does anyone know of some ISPs that have Mod_Python installed. Most
> seem to allow Python CGI but not things like Mod_Python or Spyce. Is
> this a viable solution or should I just learn PHP. I would prefer to
> leverage my Python knowledge but I also would like a fast robust
> solution.
>
> Thanks Joey.[/color]

**Lukasz Pankowski** · Jul 18 '05, 02:43 AM

Re: Python ISPs

JoeyTaj@netzero .com (Paradox) writes:
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> Does anyone know of some ISPs that have Mod_Python installed. Most
> seem to allow Python CGI but not things like Mod_Python or Spyce. Is
> this a viable solution or should I just learn PHP. I would prefer to
> leverage my Python knowledge but I also would like a fast robust
> solution.
>
> Thanks Joey.[/color]

I know only one commercial webside: http://www.python-hosting.com/,
they have mod_python, Spyce and many more (Zope, Plone, Nuxeo CPS,
Silva, Webware, Twisted, CherryPy, SkunkWeb, Quixote, 4Suite Server,
Spyce, Albatross, Cheetah, mod_python, Straight CGI)

for free testing of CherryPy consider http://www.freecherrypy.org/

newer used, just know it exist

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=*= Lukasz Pankowski =*=

**Alan Kennedy** · Jul 18 '05, 02:44 AM

Re: Python ISPs

Paradox wrote:[color=blue]
> Does anyone know of some ISPs that have Mod_Python installed.[/color]

Check out the Python hosting Wiki. The "SpecializedCom mercialHosts"
page lists three hosting companies that support mod_python.

404 Not Found

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/moinmoin/SpecializedCommercialHosts

If you know of any others that are not listed there, then please add
the information to that wiki.

regards,

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**Andy Todd** · Jul 18 '05, 02:44 AM

Re: Python ISPs

Paradox wrote:[color=blue]
> Does anyone know of some ISPs that have Mod_Python installed. Most
> seem to allow Python CGI but not things like Mod_Python or Spyce. Is
> this a viable solution or should I just learn PHP. I would prefer to
> leverage my Python knowledge but I also would like a fast robust
> solution.
>
> Thanks Joey.[/color]

404 Not Found

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/moinmoin/PythonHosting

Regards,
Andy
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**Anand Pillai** · Jul 18 '05, 02:44 AM

Re: Python ISPs

How about freezope.org ? They provide free zope
hosting. I think they allow you to add custom
python scripts to the zope server they run.

You get to create a freezope domain like
yourdomain.free zope.org.

It is a pretty neat provider.

-Anand

Lukasz Pankowski <lupan@zamek.gd a.pl> wrote in message news:<877k45aj7 z.fsf@psi.lupan .zamek.gda.pl>. ..[color=blue]
> JoeyTaj@netzero .com (Paradox) writes:
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> > Does anyone know of some ISPs that have Mod_Python installed. Most
> > seem to allow Python CGI but not things like Mod_Python or Spyce. Is
> > this a viable solution or should I just learn PHP. I would prefer to
> > leverage my Python knowledge but I also would like a fast robust
> > solution.
> >
> > Thanks Joey.[/color]
>
> I know only one commercial webside: http://www.python-hosting.com/,
> they have mod_python, Spyce and many more (Zope, Plone, Nuxeo CPS,
> Silva, Webware, Twisted, CherryPy, SkunkWeb, Quixote, 4Suite Server,
> Spyce, Albatross, Cheetah, mod_python, Straight CGI)
>
> for free testing of CherryPy consider http://www.freecherrypy.org/
>
> newer used, just know it exist[/color]

**Lothar Scholz** · Jul 18 '05, 02:44 AM

Re: Python ISPs

"Ulrich Petri" <ulope@gmx.de > wrote in message news:<bkd551$f0 b2$1@ID-67890.news.uni-berlin.de>...[color=blue]
> "Paradox" <JoeyTaj@netzer o.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:924a9f9c.0 309181224.374a5 bef@posting.goo gle.com...[color=green]
> > Does anyone know of some ISPs that have Mod_Python installed. Most
> > seem to allow Python CGI but not things like Mod_Python or Spyce. Is
> > this a viable solution or should I just learn PHP. I would prefer to
> > leverage my Python knowledge but I also would like a fast robust
> > solution.[/color]
>
> You could go for one of those virtual servers all for yourself...
>[/color]

Most (all !?) of this virtual servers are the worst i've ever seen.

Putting 100 customers on a 1 GB 2x2 GHz maschine is not a good thing
if everyone must install there own MySQL,Apache etc.

**Cliff Wells** · Jul 18 '05, 02:46 AM

Re: Python ISPs

On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 13:24, Paradox wrote:[color=blue]
> Does anyone know of some ISPs that have Mod_Python installed. Most
> seem to allow Python CGI but not things like Mod_Python or Spyce. Is
> this a viable solution or should I just learn PHP. I would prefer to
> leverage my Python knowledge but I also would like a fast robust
> solution.[/color]

Interestingly enough, I just started a new job at
http://www.commandprompt.com and I convinced my boss yesterday that
Python-friendly hosting would be a good thing. If you're interested you
can email me offlist. We're pretty open to most things, including
third-party modules, specific Python version installs and the like.
There's only a few things my boss won't bend on (No Windows [Linux
only], no MySQL [PostgreSQL only], no gaping security holes). Other
than that, we're open to most other things.

We should have an announcement by Monday on c.l.py.announce with more
specific information.

Regards,
Cliff

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Days devoured by hungry nights
-Coil

**Gregory (Grisha) Trubetskoy** · Jul 18 '05, 02:50 AM

Re: Python ISPs

On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Lothar Scholz wrote:
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>
>
> "Ulrich Petri" <ulope@gmx.de > wrote in message news:<bkd551$f0 b2$1@ID-67890.news.uni-berlin.de>...[color=green]
> > "Paradox" <JoeyTaj@netzer o.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> > news:924a9f9c.0 309181224.374a5 bef@posting.goo gle.com...[color=darkred]
> > > Does anyone know of some ISPs that have Mod_Python installed. Most
> > > seem to allow Python CGI but not things like Mod_Python or Spyce. Is
> > > this a viable solution or should I just learn PHP. I would prefer to
> > > leverage my Python knowledge but I also would like a fast robust
> > > solution.[/color]
> >
> > You could go for one of those virtual servers all for yourself...
> >[/color]
>
> Most (all !?) of this virtual servers are the worst i've ever seen.
>
> Putting 100 customers on a 1 GB 2x2 GHz maschine is not a good thing
> if everyone must install there own MySQL,Apache etc.[/color]

All web hosting companies suck this way. Only a dedicated physical server
would not have this issue.

But second to a colocation or a dedicated physical server, virtual servers
(especially FreeBSD jail(8) based) are the best (low cost) solution for
mod_python. I understand there are companies that have mod_python loaded
on a shared instance of Apache and provide access to databases using db
access controls, but I would never use such a service because there is no
way it can be anywhere nearly as secure (and in most cases it's just plain
insecure).

Grisha

**Stuart D. Gathman** · Jul 18 '05, 02:51 AM

Re: Python ISPs

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 01:38:57 -0400, Cliff Wells wrote:
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> On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 13:24, Paradox wrote:[color=green]
>> Does anyone know of some ISPs that have Mod_Python installed. Most seem
>> to allow Python CGI but not things like Mod_Python or Spyce. Is this a
>> viable solution or should I just learn PHP. I would prefer to leverage
>> my Python knowledge but I also would like a fast robust solution.[/color]
>
> Interestingly enough, I just started a new job at
> http://www.commandprompt.com and I convinced my boss yesterday that
> Python-friendly hosting would be a good thing. If you're interested you
> can email me offlist. We're pretty open to most things, including
> third-party modules, specific Python version installs and the like.
> There's only a few things my boss won't bend on (No Windows [Linux
> only], no MySQL [PostgreSQL only], no gaping security holes). Other
> than that, we're open to most other things.[/color]

I was thinking about the security aspects of this. Wouldn't it be a good
idea to have each client (or the hosting company) run their own Python VM?
It could use fast_cgi so the VM would stay loaded. Python does not have
enough isolation to make multiple clients within a single VM a good idea.

We do this with Java (even though Java provides much better isolation than
Python, it is still pretty easy to DOS a VM with infinite loops and memory
hogging).

In addition to fast_cgi, the Python code can run its own micro web
server, and the shared Apached server simply proxies a subtree to the
Python server.

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Business Management Systems Inc. Phone: 703 591-0911 Fax: 703 591-6154
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